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Why? Nice ceremony. Jesus didn’t make a show of things. No fancy wardrobe, no fancy hats. He even told people not to tell anybody of their healings.
Kujo313's Assertions About Catholic Marian Beliefs (Isis!?...Goddess!?)
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To each his own.
First, Acts 2:12-18
12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.
15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘ And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
When the Holy Spirit was poured on the “Church”, outsiders thought they was drunk. Peter then addressed them.
I cannot sit still like Droopy and say “I’m so happy”. Did not the lame and crippled leap for joy when they was healed? Did not their families? Did not King David dance before the Lord with all his might?
When the Lord moves in people’s lives, how can you sit so still and be so quiet?
As much as the Catholic religion is full of ceremonies, we should never put ourselves ahead of others. Paul called himself the “chief of sinners.” He humbled himself bigtime.
True “leaders” should not have a holier-than-thou arrogance about them, even if the robes are donated to them.
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It is my understanding that they believe He is the Messiah but not that He is the Son of God. They believe he is just a man. You promote that message. O.K…
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Eden
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Why would we want to give God anything but the best of what we have? Drink His Body and Blood in an old, rusty tin cup? I don’t think so. When we are in the presence of our Lord, he deserves only our best. Unlike speaking in tongues which is for show, what happens at Mass is all for Him.
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Nicene
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So you haven’t been adopted into Christs family? Interesting.
Oh I do more than that, I ask for prayers from Jesus, St. Peter, St Paul, St. Michael, St. Raphael, St. Jude, St. Francis, St. Therese. St. John, St. James, and many other saints who are alive in heaven with God.
See, I did that long ago, with “Water and Spirit” I was born anew. I know that is unacceptable to pentacostals but it is according to Jesus. Think I’ll follow him but thanks for the offer. Jesus also warned us not to follow false prophets, as did the apostles. I find that good advise in “testing spirits”.
Nah, just pentacostals/charismatics. I’m not into worshiping other Gods and inviting other spirits into me, scripture warns against it.
Conspiracy theories, the root of pentacostalism. Do you really not understand that the pentacostal/charismatic movement is a cult? The hypnotic emotional control is dangerous to a real relationship with God. Prayer is the true relationship, not mumbo jumbo.
May God bless you and keep you. I offer you my blessing as well and for your family.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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As far as vestments:
There’s nothing unscriptural about vestments. God commanded that they be used in the Old Testament. Look at Exodus 28:2–4:
“For your brother Aaron you will make sacred vestments to give dignity and magnificence. You will instruct all the skilled men, whom I have endowed with skill, to make Aaron’s vestments for his consecration to my priesthood. These are the vestments which they must make: a pectoral, an ephod, a robe, an embroidered tunic, a turban, and a belt. They must make sacred vestments for your brother Aaron and his sons, for them to be priests in my service.” The rest of the chapter gives details on each garment.
Nothing in the New Testament requires abolition of ministerial vestments. Our Lord criticized the Jewish leaders for their sins, but he never condemned their priestly garb.
catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0102qq.asp
And the bishop’s mitre represents the Old and New Testaments.
There’s nothing unscriptural about vestments. God commanded that they be used in the Old Testament. Look at Exodus 28:2–4:
“For your brother Aaron you will make sacred vestments to give dignity and magnificence. You will instruct all the skilled men, whom I have endowed with skill, to make Aaron’s vestments for his consecration to my priesthood. These are the vestments which they must make: a pectoral, an ephod, a robe, an embroidered tunic, a turban, and a belt. They must make sacred vestments for your brother Aaron and his sons, for them to be priests in my service.” The rest of the chapter gives details on each garment.
Nothing in the New Testament requires abolition of ministerial vestments. Our Lord criticized the Jewish leaders for their sins, but he never condemned their priestly garb.
catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0102qq.asp
And the bishop’s mitre represents the Old and New Testaments.
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Want to really hear funny? Most of them aren’t Jewish, they come from typical protestant backgrounds.
Some believe Jesus is a prophet more like Islam, others that he is the Christ. You should look into them, pretty fascinating. Unfortunately as the epistles tell us, this is the same thing which the apostles faught against, basically modern Judaizers.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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Peace and God Bless to you and yours, too.
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cmy.on.ca/messianic.htm
What is Messianic Judaism?
Yeshua accomplished this new covenant by offering, both those from the Jewish nation and from the pagan nations the opportunity to reconcile with their creator, through His atoning sacrifice. Seeing as one man can not pay the penalty for another man’s sin, Yeshua was G-d incarnate. G-d Himself satisfied His our requirement for justice, death. What takes place when a Jewish person accepts Yeshua as their Messiah, is they enter into the fullness of their personal relationship with G-d, the original relationship He intended for them to, when He chose Abraham. And seeing as being Jewish represent a nationality, a Jewish person can become a follower of the teachings of Messiah, (Christian) and still remain Jewish.
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If you really believe these modern day Judaizers are any thing but heretical then you are completely discredited.
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kujo313 said:
This is old news in new clothing. Paul preached against them in the book of Romas. That’s where the protestants get the faith alone bit. Paul was preaching against the Judaizers who beleived you had to have faith in Christ AND obey Mosaic law. That was why Paul talks about works of the “law” are to no avail in Romans. Kujo, you need to learn your history. “To be deep in history is to cease to be a protestant.” John Henry Newman
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kujo313 said:
You are looking at one site and copying that particular sect of messianic Jews beliefs. If you really want to find out about them you’ll have to do a bit more research. They don’t all believe the same things.
As well St. Eric is correct. Judaizers plagued Paul for most of his ministerial life. However they were real Jews. The majority of the above are not.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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It appears you misunderstood. I said exactly the opposite. How do you think the church has stayed true from the beginning? By testing others spirits within and without of the church. Haven’t you read scripture? It is our divine right and obligation.
As for speaking in tongues to edify yourself, Paul speaks against such a thing. He says:
1 Cor 14:4: He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5: Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified.
Paul says they should be edifying the church, not themselves. That’s one of the problems they are having in Corinth. One cares only for self, true religion cares for others. This is Christs mission, to bring light to the world to help and build up others as He did.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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Yes with a tangible real flame over their heads. I have never seen that in a pentacostal Church. This happens two times in Acts, the second time no flame, but to show Peter to bring the gospel to the gentiles. Then it doesn’t happen again. Realize that Acts takes place over many years. Why aren’t the aposltes shown speaking in tonges constantly as pentecostals do?
Did God do it to show show them something and make a point? Or is it just a side show? God did it to get their attention. Does Paul in his list of gifts place speaking in tongues at the top of the desired gifts from God? Or does he place it near the bottom?
If Paul considered it as a lesser gift compared to all the others, why do pentecostals/charismatics not only make it a requirement to be saved (not biblical) but give it such high regard? It is the opposite of what Paul teaches, so why the discrepancy?
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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From your link, above…
Oh, dear…
You don’t even agree with your own :whacky: sources…OK, OK, I’ll
go quietly…
“Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. To you do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To you do we send up our sighs, mourning, & weeping in this vale of tears.Turn then, most gracious Advocate, your eyes of mercy toward us, and after this, our exile, show unto us the blessed Fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Oh, clement, oh loving, oh sweet Virgin Mary, pray for us, oh holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ”.
Just one of my:yup: favorite
prayers, for all of us here…
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Turn then, most gracious Advocate, your eyes of mercy toward us, and after this, our exile, show unto us the blessed Fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Oh, clement, oh loving, oh sweet Virgin Mary, pray for us, oh holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ”.
Just one of my:yup: favorite
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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Not if they’re in accord with the teachings of the Catholic Church they don’t - there is indeed an ‘Official Wine of the Roman Catholic Church’ - it has to be pure unadulterated fermented grape juice. Anything else is not meant to be used in our Mass. Why? because pure fermented grape juice would have been EXACTLY what Jesus used.
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kujo313
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Gee, I thought that Jesus FULFILLED the law!
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kujo313
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Jesus used water, too. Mmmm used fish a couple of times. Bread, too.
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Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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What if she says “no”?
I guess you have that bumper sticker that says:
“When God made man SHE was only joking”
Yep, sure will get alot of posts.
If you people that are living say that you’ll pray for one another, would you pray TO another? I mean, you’re gonna go to “mom” anyway in order to get to God.
You go to “mom” first and you’ve got prayers TO her.
Yea, yea, yea. “Blasphemy” or whatever you want to call it, but it’s still the same.
Your “tradition” makes Jesus’ words null and void when He spoke clearly in John’s Gospel. He says to ask the Father in His (Jesus’) name.
Look it up for yourselves. Let me know if one of those words means something different.
Matt 21: 21 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done. 22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
Mark 11: 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
John 14: 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14: 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
John 15: 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
John 16:23 “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you.
John 16: 26-27 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God.
Nicene
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What if she says “no”?
I guess you have that bumper sticker that says:
“When God made man SHE was only joking”
Yep, sure will get alot of posts.
If you people that are living say that you’ll pray for one another, would you pray TO another? I mean, you’re gonna go to “mom” anyway in order to get to God.
You go to “mom” first and you’ve got prayers TO her.
Yea, yea, yea. “Blasphemy” or whatever you want to call it, but it’s still the same.
Your “tradition” makes Jesus’ words null and void when He spoke clearly in John’s Gospel. He says to ask the Father in His (Jesus’) name.
Look it up for yourselves. Let me know if one of those words means something different.
Matt 21: 21 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done. 22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
Mark 11: 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
John 14: 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14: 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
John 15: 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
John 16:23 “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you.
John 16: 26-27 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God.
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