Kujo313's Assertions About Catholic Marian Beliefs (Isis!?...Goddess!?)

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Kujo’s one of those guys who thinks nobody said or did anything that wasn’t recorded in the Bible. If that were true, it would have made everyone mentioned in it some of the most quiet stoics ever known to man.
 
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montanaman:
Kujo’s one of those guys who thinks nobody said or did anything that wasn’t recorded in the Bible. If that were true, it would have made everyone mentioned in it some of the most quiet stoics ever known to man.
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Rather … I’m beginning to really get :banghead:
 
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LilyM:
How did Mary back off from attention when she was ordering servants around on Jesus’ behalf at Cana? And when she was standing right at the foot of his Cross with him? Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth didn’t say ‘your son is blessed among all men, but you’re of no importance at all save as an incubator’ and Mary didn’t say ‘all generations will call my son Saviour but totally ignore me’, neither did Jesus say to John ‘son, this is … some supremely insignificant woman who just happened to have me in her womb for nine months … but feel free to ignore her’.

If you confined yourself to merely ignoring Mary you possibly wouldn’t go to hell, but when you insult Jesus’ mother and those who respect and admire her as he also did (clearly! look at the wedding at Cana!) then you’re hardly gonna get into heaven either.
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Who’s ignoring Mary? I’m doing what Jesus told me to do: go to the Father through Him.
You want me to say that Mary is blessed? She is. She’s the virgin the prophets said that the Messiah was to be born from. After that, they talk about Jesus. I guess they ignored Mary, too.
She told the servants at the wedding what to do, why don’t you do what she said?

You remind me of a dog. Point somewhere and tell the dog “go get it”. The dog will look at your finger and NOT what you’re pointing at.
We, yes we, don’t need to look at a finger or the person. We can go directly to God through Jesus.
Jesus refocused the people towards God. You are not even looking at Jesus’ finger!

All of this does not mean that I’m gonna ignore or “diss” anybody’s mother. It simply means that we are trying to reach our goal: Heaven, where God is.
Jesus points us to Him as the “only way to the Father.”

Your mind is on earthly things (parents).
 
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montanaman:
Kujo’s one of those guys who thinks nobody said or did anything that wasn’t recorded in the Bible. If that were true, it would have made everyone mentioned in it some of the most quiet stoics ever known to man.
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Proof:

From Acts to Jude. Mary is hardly mentioned. The focus is on Jesus being the only way.
He even said so. The Holy Spirit said that there is only one person between you and God: Jesus.

I’ll leave you alone with your “mom”. I’m going to my “Father”.
 
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kujo313:
All of this does not mean that I’m gonna ignore or “diss” anybody’s mother.
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We are not talking about “anybody’s” mother. We are talking about His mother. Big difference there.
 
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kujo313:
Who’s ignoring Mary? I’m doing what Jesus told me to do: go to the Father through Him.
You want me to say that Mary is blessed? She is. She’s the virgin the prophets said that the Messiah was to be born from. After that, they talk about Jesus. I guess they ignored Mary, too.
She told the servants at the wedding what to do, why don’t you do what she said?

You remind me of a dog. Point somewhere and tell the dog “go get it”. The dog will look at your finger and NOT what you’re pointing at.
We, yes we, don’t need to look at a finger or the person. We can go directly to God through Jesus.
Jesus refocused the people towards God. You are not even looking at Jesus’ finger!

All of this does not mean that I’m gonna ignore or “diss” anybody’s mother. It simply means that we are trying to reach our goal: Heaven, where God is.
Jesus points us to Him as the “only way to the Father.”

Your mind is on earthly things (parents).
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Excuse me but I wasn’t the one who accused Mary of having Alzheimers and making Jesus impure under Jewish law … that is how you’ve disrespected her and insulted her.

As far as looking at fingers goes, I’m looking at several fingers (Mary’s, the Saints’ and Jesus’) which are all pointing in the same direction, and more importantly the RIGHT direction. Mary is the SUPREME example of the obedience to God which Jesus stressed, which is why we look to her so.

You’re just looking at your own finger which you THINK is pointing to the Father but could really be pointing anywheres.
 
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kujo313:
I’ll leave you alone with your “mom”. I’m going to my “Father”.
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Can I just say this one more time? Catholics pray to the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and we ask for the intercession of Mary and/or the saints if we choose to. Why do you continue to paint this picture of Catholics not praying to God the Father or His Son?
 
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kujo313:
I’ll leave you alone with your “mom”. I’m going to my “Father”.
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The destination is exactly the same.

Our way of getting there is just much, much more effective, as the wedding feast at Cana proves.
 
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Batjacboy:
The destination is exactly the same.

Our way of getting there is just much, much more effective, as the wedding feast at Cana proves.
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Well said, and I love your sig quote too 🙂
 
kujo:
From Acts to Jude. Mary is hardly mentioned. The focus is on Jesus being the only way.
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I don’t think anyone here disputes that the Bible’s focus is Jesus, and only Jesus. But that does not mean Mary’s not important in any way. How many of the Apostles ever gets mentioned with any regularity outside the Gospels? You can only count how many even gets a few lines. Does that mean they’re any lesser then?
 
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kujo313:
Jesus said that ALL women who hear God and obey ARE His Mothers! Jesus also put more emphasis in God than anybody else.
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Yes and no. Yes, Jesus did say something to that effect; but again no, since if you take the scene in context you will realize He was actually praising His own mother.
Why do you give her all of this attention and titles when God didn’t?
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Because Mary deserves it. Where is it written that it isn’t deserving of her?
 
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LilyM:
Excuse me but I wasn’t the one who accused Mary of having Alzheimers and making Jesus impure under Jewish law … that is how you’ve disrespected her and insulted her.

As far as looking at fingers goes, I’m looking at several fingers (Mary’s, the Saints’ and Jesus’) which are all pointing in the same direction, and more importantly the RIGHT direction. Mary is the SUPREME example of the obedience to God which Jesus stressed, which is why we look to her so.

You’re just looking at your own finger which you THINK is pointing to the Father but could really be pointing anywheres.
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I just figured something out going through my KJV and decided to look it up (yeah I also read the NKJV for pleasure):

And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

RSV (and pretty much every other bible)

22: And when the time came for their purification according to the law of Moses, they brought him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord

Through Jewish law, Mary is unclean and she can’t touch anything holy, go to the temple for 40 days etc. Anyone that touches her is also unclean.

The text uses αυτων, which is plural:their.

Mary submits to the law, legal impurity, even though it is bogus. She isn’t a sinner for having a baby and a flow of blood, and neither is Jesus for touching her.

I have to wonder why it would be rendered incorrectly in the KJV giving the impression that Mary is a sinner but Jesus isn’t, (ulterior motive?) when we know that the law is bogus and that neither of them sinned. Not to make excuses for them, but from a KJV point of view, I can see why they think as they do and use it to show Mary’s sinfulness. It’s kind of like Jesus, he didn’t need to be baptized, but he did, to fulfil all righteousness.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
I just discovered this site and read the entire thread, and I’m confused. How can anyone be under the impression that Catholics worship Mary? Surely this is not typical?

And how can anyone fail to respect the virgin mother of Jesus? The mother of Jesus, the bride of God? Of course she is important! She was His mother. She carried Him, gave birth to Him, nursed Him, changed His diapers.

Kujo, Jewish men love their mothers, as they should. They do not like to hear their mothers insulted.
 
To Kujo, to go on with this (sorry) I must say that I converted out of Islam, a word-obsessed religion that you would probably approve of, in order to become Christian, which for me means Catholic. While I was a young Muslim I was sent to Catholic school where the incarnation meant looking at Jesus on the Cross, and looking at Jesus in the arms of the Blessed Virgin, Our Holy Mother. He was born to life and joy through his mother, who loved Him, and whom He loved. He was born to pain and eternal joy through the Cross, which tormented Him for our sake. He knows us, all of our pleasures and pains, and loves us through those pleasures and pains, despite those pleasures and pains.

So I do the Rosary, and for me doing the Rosary is a way to love what He loved–a way of loving the Mother He adored. I do not WORSHIP the Blessed Virgin, but I love her. It makes it possible for me to comprehend His incarnation as a human being in the way that contemplating Him on the cross does.

So I would say that, given your interest in the Blessed Virgin which I don’t believe is as disrespectful as you would like us to believe, you might want to get a Rosary, and do the Rosary. There’s nothing in the Rosary that should outrage you; no hint of "worshipping " our Holy Mother. Just do the prayers in clear conscience, listen to the prayers, contemplate the moments, and see what comes of it.
 
Stella, your posts are a breath of fresh air…
Sadly, there are some people in this world, who, apparently,:nope: hate Catholics more than they love God.:crying:
Most of the rest of us are getting ready to :banghead: Kujo, & you come along with your beautiful posts, & your beautiful testimony to the love of God.
:blessyou:
 
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Milliardo:
Yes and no. Yes, Jesus did say something to that effect; but again no, since if you take the scene in context you will realize He was actually praising His own mother.

Because Mary deserves it. Where is it written that it isn’t deserving of her?
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Depends on what your defination of “deserving” is. Overall, we are God’s people. Thanks to Jesus Christ dieing on the cross, we no long are bound by Levitical laws and can boldly go to the Father ourselves instead of a “High Priest” doing it for us.
 
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