LDS Church puts a date on the Great Apostasy

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I agree, but it was Paul that stated: “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”

The Book of Mormon is not above the Gospel, but contains the gospel.
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Flyonthewall
Mormons belief is that Jesus is the physical son of god, born of a sexual act.
Jesus volunteered to come down to earth to save gods spirit children who wanted to experience mortality, but this brought sin and death. Jesus came to save them so that they could continue on to becoming gods themselves just like god the father and his father, and his father and his father etc……

Jesus gave your church a detailed plan to follow in order to keep progressing to become a god. Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer. And god his father was once a man who also progressed to becoming a god.

***Different Jesus entirely. ***

This is why we cannot have agreements here with the LDS. Don’t you find that a little odd? If we both worshipped the same Jesus we should embrace this in many ways. But it does not happen. We do have some protestants that posts who do not embrace many Catholic beliefs but we do embrace the same Lord and God. This is the most important common ground. I look at Protestants like my brothers and sisters in Christ. I pray that they come back to the Eucharistic table along with the Sacrament of confession. But I am not God so I will leave this up to God and I am comfortable with that.

Not believing in the same Jesus makes our conversations totally distorted. Mormons need to make it clear them selves that they are not Christian like Catholics and the Protestants.

Its just confuses people who are searching for Christianity, come to the LDS church first to find out what it is. Not being told about these truths before Baptism. This is why the retention rate for new LDS convert is so low. I have been helping souls with the help of other souls, helping them to know Jesus Christ for 12 years. I love to look around at Mass and see the ones who still live in this area and attend. So many stick when they are well informed before being Baptised. There is no pressure whatsoever. It may take a year, two years, 40 years who knows. It’s a glorious lifelong journey home. Its all in Gods time.

When souls look to the Mormon church for whatever reason they need to be well informed by the Missionaries as to the belief system. The Missionaries should want to do this, to let them know that they will be baptized into a completely different belief system that Christians are baptized into. This is only rite, this would be honest would it not.

To sum this up: How can we speak about Jesus when we are speaking about two different Jesus’s.

One that did hold His Church together, sinners in transition. My beleif, not to be forced upon you at all.

One who could not hold it together for 100 years. Leaving us behind for 18 hundred years or so.
Why would He do this, because we are sinners?

That makes no sense does it?

For me there is not better, more righteous breed of people.
We are all in this together as to our sin. A good physician would not leave his post, his hospital. No he will stay and continue to cure those who enter.

Let me leave you with this continued
 
This short story is told about Franz Josef, one of the Habsburg Emperors.
He was returning from a military campaign and sought refuge in a monastery.

He sent a soldier before him to announce his coming. “The Emperor Franz Josef seeks lodging in your monastery. Prepare a place for him.”

The guest master replied, “There is no room for him.”

When the soldier reported this to the emperor, he was furious. He approached the monastery surrounded by his military escort. He called out the guest master and said, “Do you not know who I am? Ruler of the Austro-Hugarian Empire. I demand to spend the night here.”

The guest master looked at the emperor in his splendid clothes. Around him were the soldiers with their weapons, but the monk held his ground. “There is no room for you here,” he told him.

One of the soldiers drew his sword and said, “Sir, shall I kill this insolent monk?”
The emperor paused. Then he said to the monk, “No, I did not tell you who I really am. I am Franz Josef, a sinner.”

The monk said, “Come in, there is room for you here.”
 
Interesting indeed is the way you twist words favor your point of view rather than let them be as spoken.
I just pointed out how your statement was irrational and how it seems like you want your Jesus to be truly all powerful but he isn’t.
So you do believe Jesus is the father of Satan and are too ashamed to admit it…interesting indeed.
No we don’t. But I have pointed out the hypocrisy of a Mormon making this claim
Stephen168 said:
To summarize: Mormons teach God is omnipotent, and omniscient. And he made Satan from an intelligence even though he knew Satan would turn against him; and this was a good thing.
Catholics teach God is omnipotent, and omniscient. Catholics believe God’s rational creations have free will and turning against him is a bad thing.
AND like most things Mormons, this is an argument of belief; and has nothing to do with reason.
The “Jesus and Satan are brothers” is focused on more by critics than us as we realize that Satan fell, and that statement would not be accurate as stands.
So it is true. Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers.
The Godhead is mentioned specifically in the Bible…how about the “Trinity”?
But you didn’t answer the question.
Oh the lengths you go to to de-Christianize us.
I don’t go through any lengths to de-Christianize Mormonism; Joseph Smith did in 1844 when he lead his people into apostasy.
 
That is correct. We do believe the Father has a body of flesh and bones. We are made in His image, if He had no bodily form then we would not either.
Make man in “our Image” / Holy Trinity / both male and female
Image in this sense flyonthewall means

“LOVE”
God posseses both male and femal qualities throughout all of eternity

God does not need bones and flesh, this is His creature created by “our image” God

We are in his image “love” but we are not “love” God is love and He has gifted this love to His creation. “us” all through Jesus. Its all about Him!

We get to share in what Jesus has always had with His Father throughout all of eternity.Powerful gift.

God lessoned Himself, becoming man in order to get into the trenches with us in order to save us. He did not have to do this. Send His Eternal Son Jsus. His Word made flesh.

God-Creator / us-created

This is very important for our salvation
 
Third Nephi Chapter 28

Nine of the Twelve desire and are promised an inheritance in Christ’s kingdom when they die—The Three Nephites desire and are given power over death so as to remain on the earth until Jesus comes again—They are translated and see things not lawful to utter, and they are now ministering among men. About A.D. 34–35.

1And it came to pass when Jesus had said these words, he spake unto his disciples, one by one, saying unto them: What is it that ye adesire of me, after that I am gone to the Father?

2And they all spake, save it were three, saying: We desire that after we have lived unto the age of man, that our ministry, wherein thou hast called us, may have an end, that we may speedily come unto thee in thy kingdom.

3And he said unto them: Blessed are ye because ye desired this thing of me; therefore, after that ye are aseventy and two years old ye shall come unto me in my bkingdom; and with me ye shall find crest.

4And when he had spoken unto them, he turned himself unto the three, and said unto them: What will ye that I should do unto you, when I am gone unto the Father?

5And they sorrowed in their hearts, for they durst not speak unto him the thing which they desired.

6And he said unto them: Behold, I aknow your thoughts, and ye have desired the thing which John, my beloved, who was with me in my ministry, before that I was lifted up by the Jews, desired of me.

7Therefore, more blessed are ye, for ye shall anever taste of bdeath; but ye shall live to behold all the doings of the Father unto the children of men, even until all things shall be fulfilled according to the will of the Father, when I shall come in my glory with the cpowers of heaven.

8And ye shall never endure the pains of death; but when I shall come in my glory ye shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye from amortality to bimmortality; and then shall ye be blessed in the kingdom of my Father.

9And again, ye shall not have pain while ye shall dwell in the flesh, neither sorrow save it be for the asins of the world; and all this will I do because of the thing which ye have desired of me, for ye have desired that ye might bbring the souls of men unto me, while the world shall stand.

10And for this cause ye shall have afulness of joy; and ye shall sit down in the kingdom of my Father; yea, your joy shall be full, even as the Father hath given me fulness of joy; and ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father; and the Father and I are bone;

11And the aHoly Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and the Father giveth the Holy Ghost unto the children of men, because of me.

12And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words, he touched every one of them with his finger save it were the athree who were to tarry, and then he departed.

13And behold, the heavens were opened, and they were acaught up into heaven, and saw and heard unspeakable things.

14And it was aforbidden them that they should utter; neither was it given unto them bpower that they could utter the things which they saw and heard;

15And whether they were in the body or out of the body, they could not tell; for it did seem unto them like a atransfiguration of them, that they were changed from this body of flesh into an immortal state, that they could behold the things of God.

16But it came to pass that they did again minister upon the face of the earth; nevertheless they did not minister of the things which they had heard and seen, because of the commandment which was given them in heaven.

17And now, whether they were mortal or immortal, from the day of their transfiguration, I know not;

18But this much I know, according to the record which hath been given—they did go forth upon the face of the land, and did minister unto all the people, uniting as many to the church as would believe in their preaching; baptizing them, and as many as were baptized did receive the Holy Ghost.

19And they were cast into prison by them who did not belong to the church. And the aprisons could not hold them, for they were rent in twain.
 
20And they were cast down into the earth; but they did smite the earth with the word of God, insomuch that by his apower they were delivered out of the depths of the earth; and therefore they could not dig pits sufficient to hold them.

21And thrice they were cast into a afurnace and received no harm.

22And twice were they cast into a aden of wild beasts; and behold they did play with the beasts as a child with a suckling lamb, and received no harm.

23And it came to pass that thus they did go forth among all the people of Nephi, and did preach the agospel of Christ unto all people upon the face of the land; and they were converted unto the Lord, and were united unto the church of Christ, and thus the people of bthat generation were blessed, according to the word of Jesus.

24And now I, aMormon, make an end of speaking concerning these things for a time.

25Behold, I was about to write the anames of those who were never to taste of death, but the Lord forbade; therefore I write them not, for they are hid from the world.

26But behold, aI have seen them, and they have ministered unto me.

27And behold they will be aamong the Gentiles, and the Gentiles shall know them not.

28They will also be among the Jews, and the Jews shall know them not.

29And it shall come to pass, when the Lord seeth fit in his wisdom that they shall minister unto all the ascattered tribes of Israel, and unto all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, and shall bring out of them unto Jesus many souls, that their desire may be fulfilled, and also because of the convincing power of God which is in them.

30And they are as the aangels of God, and if they shall pray unto the Father in the name of Jesus they can show themselves unto whatsoever man it seemeth them good.

31Therefore, great and marvelous works shall be wrought by them, before the agreat and coming day when all people must surely stand before the judgment-seat of Christ;

32Yea even among the Gentiles shall there be a agreat and marvelous work wrought by them, before that judgment day.

33And if ye had aall the scriptures which give an account of all the marvelous works of Christ, ye would, according to the words of Christ, know that these things must surely come.

34And wo be unto him that will anot hearken unto the words of Jesus, and also to them whom he hath chosen and bsent among them; for whoso creceiveth not the words of Jesus and the words of those whom he hath sent receiveth not him; and therefore he will not receive them at the last day;

35And it would be better for them if they had not been born. For do ye suppose that ye can get rid of the justice of an aoffended God, who hath been btrampled under feet of men, that thereby salvation might come?

36And now behold, as I spake concerning those whom the Lord hath chosen, yea, even three who were caught up into the heavens, that I knew not whether they were acleansed from bmortality to immortality—

37But behold, since I wrote, I have inquired of the Lord, and he hath made it manifest unto me that there must needs be a change wrought upon their bodies, or else it needs be that they must taste of death;

38Therefore, that they might not taste of death there was a achange wrought upon their bodies, that they might not bsuffer pain nor sorrow save it were for the sins of the world.

39Now this change was not equal to that which shall take place at the last day; but there was a change wrought upon them, insomuch that Satan could have no power over them, that he could not atempt them; and they were bsanctified in the flesh, that they were choly, and that the powers of the earth could not hold them.
40And in this state they were to remain until the judgment day of Christ; and at that day they were to receive a greater change, and to be received into the kingdom of the Father to go no more out, but to dwell with God eternally in the heavens.
lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/28?lang=eng
 
If these three witnesses and the Apostle John are still on the earth until the Second Coming then a total great apostasy is impossible. Their purpose of remaining on earth is to continue to spread the gospel, therefore it is impossible for the gospel to be lost.

So, where are these three witnesses and John today?
 
Alot coming out…JimDandy has a piece drawn from the original 1830+ writings from the Mormons that came out yesterday, Dec 15, on who is right…‘Mormon or Catholic’…and it was of the same type of writings as I discovered going to an LDS store to find common ground and only esteem for the Mormons I met…I mean they were the ones that affected me and I wanted to find out more about their religion on my own.

Flyonthewall, you give me the impression you are a younger person and not aware of alot of the materials…the Mormons started changing their approach in regards to Catholics around 1997.

The materials are very bigoted and not the work of the Holy Spirit and do not reflect the Holy Spirit at work in the Church since its beginnings 2,000 years ago.
 
Flyonthewall,

In regards to the Holy Trinity, you said Catholics come on here with all sorts of takes on defining the Holy Trinity. In essence it is mystery. We believe that Jesus Christ…who is also True Man and Incarnate, was the means by which the carnate universe was made. God is Spirit…The whole concept of Holy Trinity is relationship…that we experience God in relationship and with each other.

Well here are some takes or contexts on references to the Holy Trinity in the Universal Catechism…

In the central mystery of faith

Concept of hypostosis

Concept of Substance

Divine economy as common work of the Divine Persons

Divine Persons:
Concept of Person,
Consubstantiality
Real distinction between;
Unity of Being

Expression of the Trinity
In Baptism
In philosophical concepts
In the early councils
In the liturgy

Family as an image of the communion of the Trinity

Filoque

Indwelling of the triune God in men
Liturgy as work of Liturgy

Revelation of this mystery
God as the Father
God, the Holy Spirit
God the Son CC 240, 242, 262, 663
Of the entire Trinity

Theologia and Oikonomia

The Triune God

The unity of the Trinity and the unity of the Church

Unity of God
and unity of the church

Chances are that the different takes the Catholics shared with you about the Holy Trinity were correct.

Some of the topics of explaining the Holy Trinity are also obviously the work of solid metaphysics…the study of reality common to all people.

Good faith always employs reason, analysis, and critical thinking to protect us from being fooled.
 
Bluelake

Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists are all drawn from the Reconstructionists…from the teachings of the Stone Campbell movement in the early 1800’s America.

Don’t know how much you have of it in your neck of the woods and their ramification on your neighborhood or interstate freeway like here.
 
Big Dummy,

And scrolling to the next text, it says those who do not accept the prior pages will be cursed…

These texts were created about a 170 years ago or…seem to be drawn from the Book of Dan…and some parts of Revelations.

The Book of Revelations as well as the Book of Dan have no curses attached to them. The purpose of the Book of Revelations is essentially to show us the blessing and grace of enduring to the end with Jesus Christ in always seeking His grace and the will of God as a Church, and that good will eventually reign victorious over evil.
 
I agree, but it was Paul that stated: “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
Yes, and sorry to say the LDS Church is one of them.
The Book of Mormon is not above the Gospel, but contains the gospel.
This is not what I have learned in my conversations with Mormons, both on and off this forum and thread. The Book of Mormon is referenced to and quoted from first before anything in the Bible. There is no need of an additional testimony of, to, and for Jesus Christ.
As I have said before and will continue saying, it is not Jesus that is different, but the beliefs that differ.
We proclaim that Jesus is without beginning or end so where do you come up with us believing He had a begining?
Then you contradict yourself. Mormons believe that Jesus is the issue of the Father, who is an exalted man. He WAS BORN of a man, therefore your Jesus has a beginning.
The description of the Triune God is not presented in the Bible…It is a man made attempt at reconciling One God in three persons united in purpose.
Then, my friend, you are either blind to what is written or you completely ignore it to substatiate your claim. The Description of Our Triune God is most evident in the Bible.
I look at it in the same manner you do. There are 3 that function as one. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost each are God and comprise the One God described in the Bible.
If that’s the case then how come that I’ve been told over and over again by Mormons, not only on this forum and thread, that there are three separate Gods, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are united as one in purpose but not one as we Catholics believe?
But you believe they reference the same person, just hold different beliefs about Him…
Yes, I and we do. Their belief is not for that of ( a ) God, but of a “rabblerouser”.

I am sorry to say that in my conversations and attempted dialog(s) with different Mormons I have found the following to be true:
  1. Constant changing of beliefs and tenets to fit the situation.
  2. Denial, tantamount to outright lying, of previous statements made concerning Mormon
    belief.
  3. Ignoring pointed questions and subjects. I have questions posed about beliefs and
    refutations for which I have not ( and may never will ) receive(d) answers for.
  4. A quick sly change of subject when a pointed question is asked.
PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom haMeshiach
 
Originally Posted by SteveVH
My Jesus is eternal, without beginning or end. Yours?
Do you understand that eternal means that He had no beginning, that He did not progress from some already existing “intelligence”? Who are you trying to kid here?
Originally Posted by SteveVH
My Jesus created everything that exists, including all matter and spirit. Yours?
Yes (of course I don’t believe that spirit or matter can be created or destroyed, only transformed)
Then why do you say “yes”? Your disclaimer necessarily makes your answer “no”.
Originally Posted by SteveVH
My Jesus is eternally the Son of the Father. Yours?
Again, it appears that you do not understand the meaning of “eternal”. And, again, this is not what you believe.
Originally Posted by SteveVH
My Jesus is not the brother of Satan. Yours?
Since you believe Jesus created Satan I guess that would mean Jesus is the father of Satan?
You did not answer my question. And yes, I believe He created Satan, but He did not create his jealousy and wickedness. The angels were created with free will just as we are. God does not make us sin, nor did he make Satan or any of the angles sin. It was their free choice. Your implication that I believe God is the Father of evil won’t wash.
Originally Posted by SteveVH
My Jesus is the second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Yours?
Second Person of the Godhead
The first being an exalted man with flesh and bone. Not even close to the Christian belief in the nature of God.
Originally Posted by SteveVH
My Jesus is the fulfillment of all Revelation. Yours?
If you truly believed this you would not be constantly looking for new revelation.
 
I’ll try to answer this as well
Yes, and sorry to say the LDS Church is one of them.
This is not what I have learned in my conversations with Mormons, both on and off this forum and thread. The Book of Mormon is referenced to and quoted from first before anything in the Bible. There is no need of an additional testimony of, to, and for Jesus Christ.
Nothing can be above the Gospel. Wether or not the BoM is referenced more frequently than the bible does not change the message of Christ they are quoting.
The BoM is considered an additional testimony that supports the bible; LDS believe that the two witnesses combined corroborate the story (hence no need for more testimony). In no way were they excluding the Bible.
Then you contradict yourself. Mormons believe that Jesus is the issue of the Father, who is an exalted man. He WAS BORN of a man, therefore your Jesus has a beginning.
You went off the reservation here.
We both believe that Jesus is the begotten son of the Father.
LDS do not believe that God the father was ever a mere mortal man like me, who became exhalted. HINT, don’t learn your theology from youtube cartoons.
Then, my friend, you are either blind to what is written or you completely ignore it to substatiate your claim. The Description of Our Triune God is most evident in the Bible.
Yes, there is biblical support for the Three persons (Father , Son and Holy Ghost)
No, there is not biblical support for key trinity components such as “substance”, “person”, and “in two natures” These all arrived post biblical via Greek influences.
If that’s the case then how come that I’ve been told over and over again by Mormons, not only on this forum and thread, that there are three separate Gods, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are united as one in purpose but not one as we Catholics believe?
Yes, the LDS believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, united in one purpose. Three beings in one purpose vs three persons in one being
I am sorry to say that in my conversations and attempted dialog(s) with different Mormons I have found the following to be true:
  1. Constant changing of beliefs and tenets to fit the situation.
  2. Denial, tantamount to outright lying, of previous statements made concerning Mormon belief.
  3. Ignoring pointed questions and subjects. I have questions posed about beliefs and
    refutations for which I have not ( and may never will ) receive(d) answers for.
  4. A quick sly change of subject when a pointed question is asked.
Feel free to ask your pointed questions, but then dont’ ignore the reply if it doesn’t fit your preconceived answer.
 
“Were not our hearts burning (within us) while he spoke to us on the way and opened the Scriptures to us?”…Luke 24:32.

What I draw from is the pastoral plan statement by Catholic Bishops in 1999. I share this as a comparative…with limited context as it is regarding adult faith formation.

Essentially, the Catholic Church comes to its decrees and councils through the gathering of bishops, and the work of theologians is involved in the Church’s ongoing mission to nurture and guide its members in faith in the conditions they live.

Jesus Christ is the heart of catechesis…the Holy Spirit works to uphold and retain the true intent of Jesus Christ regarding His teachings for every generation. We are all called to build vibrant parishes, and to share our faith with others.

The mode of catechesis,…‘were not our hearts burning within us while He spoke on the way…and opened Scripture’ was an event where those who knew Christ before, did not recognize him in his resurrected state.

Previously, the Lord spoke to us through parables, preaching, healing, restoring. Here the Lord is now in personal encounter, in dialogue and question, drawing those in this walk into a richer life with Him, and He as well bringing the Word of God to a living and meaningful way to His companions.’

This model is now one that we can imitate, people with a living faith, vital, ‘grounded in a deep commitment to the person and message of Jesus.’ ‘The Church’s pastoral ministry exists to sustain the work of the Gospel…and the layperson’s mission is the world…’

‘Why were their hearts burning? They were burning because in Jesus the disciples caught a glimpse into the heart of God and found their world made new. They saw for an instant the full scope of the Father’s loving plan and its high point in Christ’s death and resurrection. in that perspective, the pathway of their lives opened from confusion and despair into conviction and hope, and they began to grasp the height and depth of God’s mysterious love. What a profound learning experience that must have been.’

For we Catholics, the Church 'is a revelation of great Good News: God , who is love, has made us to enjoy divine life in abundance, to share in the very life of God, a communion with the Holy Trinity together with al the saints in the new creation of God’s reign.

‘Faith … is our human response to this divine calling: It is a personal adherence to God and assent to His truth.’…‘we are led by God to turn from the blindness of sin and to accept God’s saving grace, liberating truth, and sustaining love for our lives and for all of creation.’…

‘As disciples…our lives become increasingly centered on Jesus and the kingdom he proclaims.’ We are called to God, to community…

‘Throughout this mortal life, a living faith longs for the fulfillment of eternal life. Even though we are now on a pilgrimage, with mature faith, we "taste in advance the light of the beatific vision, the goal of our journey here below…Our faith is rooted in a personal relationship with Jesus, and we put our energies into God’s mandate to serve both justice and peace.’

So this burning in the bosom is really more the response of the heart and soul when the words of Scripture come alive, not the main source of decrees and councils…the initial movement may invoke emotion, but when put into action, there is the cross and incorporating those in lawful authority to come together to discuss, study, pray and implement.
👍 We should love and appriciate Jesus’s mirth,:hmmm: as He pretended to pass by the disciples on the road to Emmaus. It really must have been something to see also as He vanished in the breaking of the bread.🙂 Remembering all the many awsome things Jesus did before His resurrection, especially in John 6, multiplacation of the loafs and fish.

And this: John 6:34-35, They said to him, “Lord, give us this bread always.” Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.
 
…You went off the reservation here.
We both believe that Jesus is the begotten son of the Father.
LDS do not believe that God the father was ever a mere mortal man like me, who became exhalted. HINT, don’t learn your theology from youtube cartoons
You’re unfamiliar with the King Follett discourse? It’s pretty much quasi-canonical and in it, Joseph Smith explicitly states just that.

Past Presidents like Hinckley have done quite a bit of dancing to avoid the subject.
 
I’ll try to answer this as well

Nothing can be above the Gospel. Wether or not the BoM is referenced more frequently than the bible does not change the message of Christ they are quoting.
The BoM is considered an additional testimony that supports the bible; LDS believe that the two witnesses combined corroborate the story (hence no need for more testimony). In no way were they excluding the Bible.

You went off the reservation here.
We both believe that Jesus is the begotten son of the Father.
LDS do not believe that God the father was ever a mere mortal man like me, who became exhalted. HINT, don’t learn your theology from youtube cartoons.

Yes, there is biblical support for the Three persons (Father , Son and Holy Ghost)
No, there is not biblical support for key trinity components such as “substance”, “person”, and “in two natures” These all arrived post biblical via Greek influences.

Yes, the LDS believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, united in one purpose. Three beings in one purpose vs three persons in one being

Feel free to ask your pointed questions, but then dont’ ignore the reply if it doesn’t fit your preconceived answer.
Todd:

Once again I say that you are so far out in left field that it is no lomger funny. I also say this in all Christian charity, please learn your Mormon “theology” and history before making any further comments or statements. You have proven my assertions about Mormonism and are only proving to us that you are making the proverbial - - - of yourself.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom haMeshiach
 
You’re unfamiliar with the King Follett discourse? It’s pretty much quasi-canonical and in it, Joseph Smith explicitly states just that.

Past Presidents like Hinckley have done quite a bit of dancing to avoid the subject.
I am familiar with it, and it is NOT canonical.
Will pointing you to a FAIR apologetics source change your mind?
I doubt you can listen because you still need it for your bash-lds ammo.
 
Todd:

Once again I say that you are so far out in left field that it is no lomger funny. I also say this in all Christian charity, please learn your Mormon “theology” and history before making any further comments or statements. You have proven my assertions about Mormonism and are only proving to us that you are making the proverbial - - - of yourself.
javl, I urge you to reply with facts or proper links to official sources.
If you disagree, back it up with offical sources
 
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