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Balto1
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I’m glad for the people of Sweden that the government’s finally taking things seriously.
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Cathoholic
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Ha. Too funny.
All these people who were telling me about Sweden and how they are getting it wrong. And Sweden’s neighbors were getting it right.
And the numbers support Sweden’s neighbors.
Well it looks like Denmark hasn’t been masking up either!! At least in mandated ways some other countries were.
(Don’t worry. I’m not laughing at you. I’m laughing with you. I didn’t know that either.)
All these people who were telling me about Sweden and how they are getting it wrong. And Sweden’s neighbors were getting it right.
And the numbers support Sweden’s neighbors.
Well it looks like Denmark hasn’t been masking up either!! At least in mandated ways some other countries were.
(Don’t worry. I’m not laughing at you. I’m laughing with you. I didn’t know that either.)
Bold mine.
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I really don’t believe anyone cares about the right wing anti maskers and their studies anymore. Even in this so called ‘major’ study “After a month, 42 of the mask-wearers in the study (1.8 percent) were infected with the virus while 53 of the non-mask-wearers (2.1. percent) were infected with the virus.”… they found masks to have some effect.
Meanwhile claims that Sweden is approaching zero deaths have been blown out of the water again today.
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Meanwhile claims that Sweden is approaching zero deaths have been blown out of the water again today.
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Yes, it’s been painful to watch the Swedish experiment and a relief that the government is moving on lockdowns now.Motherwit:
I’m glad for the people of Sweden that the government’s finally taking things seriously.
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tomarin
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D’oh! Time to put this baby to sleep.
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tomarin
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I meant the thread.
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Motherwit . . .
That is all over. Not just Sweden.
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Motherwit . . .
But even assuming it was, it is about what I would expect.
But follow the mask-wearers out longer and their numbers will continue to rise.
Why?
Because masks are not preventers. Masks are mitigators (which is part of WHY these mask wearers still got infected).
And the people who push ideas that masks are preventers, are exactly the ideas Dr. Fauci and others have warned against.
You go back and re-read the thread and you will see that I said there would be a winter-effect.
That is all over. Not just Sweden.
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Motherwit . . .
This may not be statistically significant.
But even assuming it was, it is about what I would expect.
But follow the mask-wearers out longer and their numbers will continue to rise.
Why?
Because masks are not preventers. Masks are mitigators (which is part of WHY these mask wearers still got infected).
And the people who push ideas that masks are preventers, are exactly the ideas Dr. Fauci and others have warned against.
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Motherwit . . .
Are the Danes OK?
Or now that you know they have not been masking-up, have they gone astray too?
What about the Denmark experiment where they were not masking up either?
Are the Danes OK?
Or now that you know they have not been masking-up, have they gone astray too?
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toddy
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Swedish PM tells citizens “Cancel everything”, death rate is highest in Europe now.
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Balto1
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They had to implement new restrictions after a massive increase in cases back in September.
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Theo520
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This chart shows both New Cases and Deaths, for both Sweden and Denmark. While cases are jumping in both countries, deaths are not.
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And here is the graph link, if you want to play with the parameters.
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And here is the graph link, if you want to play with the parameters.
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The death rise lags behind the case rise by 2 to 4 weeks which means by Christmas we’ll have seen the consequent spike in deaths.
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Theo520
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So this OP of yours is essentially about your hopes/expectations that deaths will shoot up. But no evidence yet.
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The lag between cases and deaths has been established many times over. There is no reason to think the workings of biology will suddenly change.Motherwit:
So this OP of yours is essentially about your hopes/expectations that deaths will shoot up. But no evidence yet.
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Theo520
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Cases started jumping over 5 weeks ago.
The morbidity lag is about 2 weeks vs testing.
Seems to be the virus is spreading in less vulnerable populations, these people just stay home for 2 weeks. What my family experienced
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That’s what I said. 2 to 4 weeks after infection a person will die. That explains the lag time.Motherwit:
Cases started jumping over 5 weeks ago.
The morbidity lag is about 2 weeks vs testing.
I don’t follow that logic? Who are you suggesting stay at for 2 weeks?
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Kobayashi-Maru
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Put new deaths per week on a separate scale from new cases per week. Definitely not the worst in Europe, that still goes to the bigger, more population dense countries (UK, France, Italy, etc). However Sweden still underperforms its three adjacent neighbors.
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Theo520
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That’s the advice of medical professionals to most people testing positive.
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Cathoholic
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Maybe you should read the whole thread before putting that forward LeafByNiggle.
Your statement has the built-in presupposition that a sort of genetic entropy (the virus loses some potency over time) does NOT occur.
It assumes all cases are going to be in the same age group.
It assumes focused protection for the vulnerable will be the same as it was earlier
(do you think Andrew Cuomo is going to
import INFECTED corona virus patients
INTO nursing homes AGAIN?).
It assumes physicians are not going to get better at treating a given new illness as they have more experience dealing with it.
It ignores cross-immunity with non-COVID corona viruses and T-Cell functions in society.
It assumes the old dynamic, is the same as the new dynamic.
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