Mandatory mask poll

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EXdrinker said:
Maybe they understand the math behind the virus and conclude that the risk is so low that it makes no sense to wear a mask, especially if not currently ill or around people often enough to become ill (more math).
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Could you provide a link to the math as you describe it? I’m curious how they reconcile their math with the available data on testing and the death toll.
 
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So are you saying that you won’t wear a mask unless it’s the law?

How about being a little proactive, and taking initiative? Do you need to be told what to do by someone else all the time? Are you a follower, or a leader by example? Do you regard it as an inconvenience?

I wore a mask back when the CDC said NOT RECOMMENDED (February). Now, that doesn’t mean NOT ALLOWED. I’m allowed to take care of myself! But I didn’t wait for an organization to tell me what to do. I look at the science and facts, and err on the side of caution.

Prevention is ALWAYS better than cure. Better to not touch a cigarette than be a chain smoker. Better to not touch the bottle than be an alcoholic, then go through programs to treat it. Isn’t life complicated enough as it is? Why invite more trouble? Did you know that COVID survivors have long-term heart/lung/organ damage? Even if you do survive, you’ll never be the same again for a LONG time! 😦 Please be careful!

Here’s a website for your reference.
 
Dude you don’t get it. COVID ain’t a common cold that leaves and poof! you’re back to normal. It leaves scars on your organs. You’ll never be the same again. Prevention is better than cure! 🙂
 
LisaB said:
Her area doesn’t mandate masks. So she is free not to wear them if she so chooses, it wouldn’t be a matter of being exempt from any law in this case at least.
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I understand that. We’re discussing the part where she thinks laws are illegitimate because they’re a form of social control.
 
vz71 said:
I must have missed that.
Can you point out the appropriate post in which this is stated?
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Reread the thread where she states that the state should never intervene in anything, has no right to regulate individual behavior (that’s the common theme in almost all her posts), and self identifies as an anarchist.

I’m not insulting her. I’m just making the inevitable conclusion from her posts. I disagree with her, but there’s no personal animus or anything. If you notice, I’ve commended her several times on intellectual honesty and consistency.
 
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Seems to be political manipulation. Liberal politicians are allowing protests and rioting but then say no other large gatherings are allowed. Don’t forget the different requirements for the Catholic Church and other ecclesial communities in various cities.
 
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Beryllos said:
Could you provide a link to the math as you describe it? I’m curious how they reconcile their math with the available data on testing and the death toll.
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covid infection rate in the US is less than 9% (number positive/number tested). The testing is mostly done on people who think they have it, already have tested positive, and those who have encountered someone who tested positive. So it is likely much less than 9%. With a death rate estimated to be less than 1% (high end at this point) this leaves us with a .09% chance of death from a random encounter. Allowing that there is much less infected than 9%, that the death rate is less than 1%, and that the chance of transmission from an infected person is no where near 100% we are talking a fraction of 9 in 10,000 as a starting point.

We flattened the curve, the hospitals are not overrun, and we are presumably protecting the most vulnerable. That all made and makes sense. The rest is in dealing with numbers far less than any influenza season and seems to many of us to be counterintuitive to developing herd immunity as well. Will more people be spared by having the healthy interact and develop stopping points of spreading or by prolonging this virus longer? That probably is a coin toss. Combined with the small numbers it makes no sense to force mask wearing. It especially makes no sense in areas where there are little to no covid infections.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html
 
OurGodIsWithUs said:
You’re infected.
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Maybe, maybe not. Allergies and sneezing do occur outside of infection. Also, originally coughing was the hallmark symptom. But whatever… Let’s continue.
OurGodIsWithUs said:
In those two weeks, you met cousin Fred at the Home Depot.
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Was I hugging, kissing, and sneezing over him? Seriously, I’ve been standing around 18 people, 5 days a week, for 4 months, and we’re all fine. We simply keep our distance.
OurGodIsWithUs said:
They have diabetes, and are at high-risk. He wants to take care of them, and stay home.
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They should be staying at home!
OurGodIsWithUs said:
He picks them up from the airport, and embraces them. They’re infected as well, but they don’t know it.
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Frankly, Fred is being an irresponsible fool. He’s not maintaining distance and he’s venturing everywhere knowing that he’s got 2 high risk relatives visiting. No wonder he’s infected his in-laws!
OurGodIsWithUs said:
You killed those in-laws. It’s your fault.
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No I didn’t. Your story is full of plot holes. Fred’s in-laws shouldn’t be traveling. He shouldn’t be caring for them and he certainly should’ve quarantined himself before they arrived!
 
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OurGodIsWithUs said:
So are you saying that you won’t wear a mask unless it’s the law?
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Yes.
OurGodIsWithUs said:
How about being a little proactive, and taking initiative?
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That is what I’m doing.
OurGodIsWithUs said:
Do you need to be told what to do by someone else all the time?
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No.
OurGodIsWithUs said:
Are you a follower, or a leader by example?
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I’m a leader. At least within my home. My kids don’t wear the silly masks, either.
OurGodIsWithUs said:
Do you regard it as an inconvenience?
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Wearing a mask? Yes.
 
RuthAnne said:
I’m a leader. At least within my home. My kids don’t wear the silly masks, either.
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When Thanksgiving and Christmas come, and there is a surge that prevents all the rest of us from seeing our families, this will be the reason why.

People are unwilling to tolerate the slightest inconvenience, even if it saves others’ lives. It is so depressing to see this attitude among people who profess to follow Christ.
 
EXdrinker said:
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Why can’t those who are scared or have trouble with math stay in their house?
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Do you think people are independently wealthy? Do you work? Some people have to work with the general public or a large number of customers. I personally think it’s a labor issue if workers are forced to be exposed to the public and there are people who refuse to mask.
But, hey, ex drinker, I guess you know better than the Cleveland Clinic, etc…
Unsure About Actually Wearing a Face Mask? Here’s How (and Why) to Do It – Health Essentials from Cleveland Clinic.
 
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vz71 said:
I am unconvinced they do any good.
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What if there’s a chance they do good - AND - they make people feel more comfortable? Why not wear one?

Unmasked! The effect of face masks on the spread of COVID-19

Confronted with a novel, aggressive coronavirus, Germany implemented measures to reduce its spread since March 2020. Requiring people to wear face masks in public places has, however, been a subject of controversy and isolating the effect of mask-wearing on the spread of COVID-19 is not simple...
voxeu.org voxeu.org
 
Yup. That’s right. Some people need to be in a mobile morgue to realize that this ain’t no joke 😂. But it’s too late then lol
 
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