Mandatory mask poll

  • Thread starter Thread starter jgaw1234
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Japanese people wear mask mainly for 3 reason:
  1. To reduce the chance of getting respiratory infection, especially during flu season.
  2. To reduce the effect of pollen allergy, because lots of people here are allergic to pollen, especially in spring. Some masks are designed to turn pollen into water, but it’s REALLY expensive.
  3. To distance themselves from others. Some people who aren’t very confident about how they look, so they use the mask to cover their faces, believing this can make others less likely to talk to them. Although its effectiveness is questionable.
After living in 4 countries and been to 7 more, the Japanese people are undoubtedly the most courteous people I’ve ever seen, but there is ONE BIG EXCEPTION: many of them don’t cover their mouths when they cough, especially among men of 40+ years old. So as a way to protect themselves, the others just wear masks, especially when riding a crowded train during flu season, because you’ll hear people coughing all the time.

Now, a regular surgical mask is not far from being sufficient to protect you from the coronavirus. A study was done in Hong Kong and it concluded that wearing a regular mask reduces your chance of infection by only about 10%. This might not seem big impressive at all, but when you look at the big picture of an infection that grows exponentially, 10% can slow down the spread of infection significantly. And that can buy us quite some time to create a vaccine, or to wait for the virus to attenuate.

And talking about attenuation, I noticed there are indeed signs of that too. When the pandemic first broke out in Wuhan, the virus was killing people indiscriminately, both old and young. Lots of families were completely wiped out, the hospitals were filled with dead bodies everywhere. The crematoriums were overloaded, and incinerators for medical waste were brought in to cremate the bodies. There were some really disturbing video footages such as a young woman’s body was thrown out through a window, and three dead children were packed into one bodybag for cremation (cremation is mandated in China). Also, a lot of deaths at the time were sudden deaths, where people walking on the street just fall and die all of a sudden, which is something we don’t really see now.

Three kids packed into one bodybag for cremation


Sudden deaths and hospitals filled with dead bodies


Lots of sudden deaths from the coronavirus, notice the protection gear the medical staff wears

So even though the virus appears to be attenuated already, we still need to be careful, as the virus still might get deadly again, because you don’t ever know what type of mutation is happening.
 
Ten hours flight United Airlines direct/non stop to Houston TX. ❤️
 
Last edited:
You were not quoted. I happen to agree with the statement in general based on arguments against masks I have heard this year. “True” and “false” does not apply to opinions.
 
Last edited:
You said it. What I find interesting of late is the concept of “virtue signaling”. Since when is having virtue publicly an issue? Is helping an elderly person across the street “virtue signaling”? Is opening or holding the door for a lady now “virtue signaling”? Masks are worn not to protect the wearer, but rather primarily to protect those around the wearer. So this is “virtue signaling” too?

The good news is the vast majority of people that I see in my area are (now) wearing masks - everywhere. I was in the grocery store yesterday and literally everyone had a mask on. Virtue signaling all 🙂
 
Virtue signalling is a pretty new (last 5 years) concept to me too. It seems, to me, to be linked up with peer pressure/conformity concerns and, perhaps, to be an argument about whether intentions and actions really line up. sometimes it seems to be associated with an exaggeration of ones stance and, other times, with a bearing of false witness or hypocrisy. It does seem to assume certain words or behaviors, given certain circumstances and a degree of posing. I don’t think that those using the phrase are necessarily seeing virtue in the behavior described. Rather, it seems to be one of those “a mile wide and an inch deep” critiques of character.
As such, I wonder if it is a new label for an old complaint or if it represents some sort of new phenomenon? And also, if the notion of virtue signalling might also be linked to a more relatavistic ethic in which what is considered virtuous becomes a function of what has popular appeal at the moment. If virtue is being defined as fashion like skinny jeans or narrow lapels?
It is an interesting concept to explore.
 
Virtue signalling is a pretty new (last 5 years) concept to me too. It seems, to me, to be linked up with peer pressure/conformity concerns and, perhaps, to be an argument about…
Virtue signalling does happen in many ways. It does exist.

But… (a big but)

People throw this term around very loosely, usually at whoever that’s doing something that the person wouldn’t want to do. Imo, when I see someone being quick to use the term, I just assume that person is somewhat insecure that the other person is ‘better’ than them.

Imo use it when there is a clear level of hypocrisy, but limit the usage tbh. It’s becoming such a buzz term people rely on to quickly discredit something to somehow kid themselves into thinking they themselves are the truly virtuous ones.
 
Last edited:
Yes, it can be used as a form of ad hominem. Sometimes a follow up explanatory sentence or two can help to clarify matters. I think that discussions can be developed more easily when we come up with shared terms and definitions.
 
I would propose that the term is always used immorally, as it involves, by its very nature, rash judgement of the virtue of another. To see a virtuous action and read into some evil motive takes judgement to a whole new level.
 
I don’t think I would take it that far. I see it oftentimes used in the “talk is cheap” category. If anything, because the phrase is often used as shorthand and because there are differing understandings of its meaning and intent, it is helpful to provide clarification.
I’m not sure how one would prove that the judgement was always rash or that the action being judged was always virtuous.
 
I’m not sure how one would prove that the judgement was always rash
I think the burden of proof is on the one who is presuming to assign evil motive to good action.
In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
So, Jesus tells us to show our virtue.
 
So, Jesus tells us to show our virtue.
Yes, He does. I’m thinking, that this would involve right action with the right reason behind it and the right result. These issues can be evaluated by others.
he also tells us not to act as the hypocrites do but to work in secret. Do not let your right hand know what your left hand is doing.
Matthew 6:1
[1] Take heed that you do not your justice before men, to be seen by them: otherwise you shall not have a reward of your Father who is in heaven. [2] Therefore when thou dost an almsdeed, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honoured by men. Amen I say to you, they have received their reward. [3] But when thou dost alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth. [4] That thy alms may be in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee. [5] And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.
 
So over 60% are now mask believers.

That’s good, we should be because if you look at how other places like Japan and South Korea wore masks and did not suffer the kind of losses we did here, it should be convincing for you.

But it’s disturbing to me that we still have roughly 3 in 10 Americans who don’t believe in it and who think it’s ok to spit their deadly droplets at the rest of us. Disgusting, actually.

Let’s get some things clear here – the Government forces you to wear seatbelts, buy auto insurance and stop at red lights. And they have been forcing you to do these things for our safety for decades. It doesn’t infringe upon your rights to ask you to TEMPORARILY wear a face mask while in the presence of others.

I have a few ultra conservative friends who think this is all some huge conspiracy. That every doctor in the world is inflating the numbers so they can get Trump removed from office. . The idea that this many health care professionals are all acting so unethical in order to remove the President is beyond preposterous – words can’t describe how ridiculous that notion is.
 
Last edited:
I’m curious.

What do you know that the CDC, WHO, Dr. Fauci, and a whole host of experts do not know?

Is there knowledge that is only available to you?

What are they doing wrong?

🤔
 
Last edited:
What do you know that the CDC, WHO, Dr. Fauci, and a whole host of experts do not know?
I don’t know what they know and neither do you.

I simply think we’re being lied to. Our limits are being tested to see how far they can push us. That is what I firmly believe.

I continue to not wear my mask to the extent possible. I followed a deputy into the store just last night. She wasn’t wearing a mask and neither was I. We have a state mandate. Good for her. I should have bought her a Coke.
 
Last edited:
President Trump is now asking people to wear masks if they can. Does that change any opinions?

 
Last edited:
Does that change any opinions?
It doesn’t change mine.

My husband works daily around construction crews. They would throw you in a ditch and bury you before they would wear masks.

Since our state wide mandate I’ve noticed a lot more people reluctantly wearing them, if you could call it that. Most noses not covered and often not the mouths either. They just sort of cover the chin, kind of like the third one from the left (that would be me as well).

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
Last edited:
The idea that this many health care professionals are all acting so unethical in order to remove the President is beyond preposterous – words can’t describe how ridiculous that notion is.
So true. However, there’s a pretty good contingent of folks out there today who think the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon. The difference is, they don’t put anybody else’s health at risk with their…beliefs.
 
You’ve just written the unified theory of Covid-19.
It’s the best summation I’ve read.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top