Mary- other children

[Lisa4Catholics]

Hi Lisa
All you have to do is check out my posts. You may not agree with me, but I never run.
In Him and Him Only, Dave.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

I responded as soon as you wrote your post and you had already left,oh and hi Dave

 

[Benadam]

MaggieOH:

So with this faulty logic you deny the Hypostatic Union and therefore you are a follower of Arius and Nestorius. This is neo-Nestorian teaching.

I doubt he can grasp the hypostatic union Maggie. But I would ask this question.

What part of Jesus was pre-existent. His Body. His Spirit His Soul?
Just what part of the person of Jesus was God?

 

[TNT]

MaggieOH:

This is a diversionary tactic to drag the thread off-topic. I urge everyone not to respond when these people try this tactic.

Sorry, the devil made me do it. I repent. I never was any good at resisting temptation.

 

[Benadam]

TNT:

Now, how did that angel get a hold of those prayers before God did? And, why is HE offering them up for someone else in the first place? Who are those saints? Paul, I think, refers to people here as saints. How come their prayers did not get straight to Jesus?

Because to know God is to be like God and Union is formed through likeness. Knowledge is a union of likeness.

We will see Him as He is because we will be like Him.

1. Our Intellect is in our Soul or body? If it is in our Soul, then does it live on after we are dead in the body? If the intellect lives on (so we can understand in the afterlife), then is the following true:

You apparently don’t understand the soul. If it can’t be described physically and it’s a reality it is of the soul and a proof that it exists. Your line of thinking would take your argument right down a path of proving the soul doesn’t exist

1. Does “KNOW FULLY” mean what it says or not?To know fully is to be ‘like’ fully.
   The soul is formed by the acts of the body.

1. Who are in this cloud “OVER OUR HEAD”? Witnesses to what?

they witness their deeds for their deeds follow them and in them they rest. Their deeds make up for what lacks as Paul said of his own suffering. It is a libation.

1. Why is this writer telling angels what to do? If they cannot hear him? Or can they hear him? What if 1 million Christians recited this verse at about the same time. Would the angels hear all at the same time, or is the whole verse a farce?
   If this writer can talk to the angels, can I do the same, by reciting this verse? Or can I make up my own say, to Michael the Archangel?

your projecting the limitations imposed on an earthly existence onto the existence of angels which is spiritual

1. Is Jesus practicing Necromancy? If not why not? Looks a lot like conjuring up “DEAD”, at least for Moses.

Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.

When yur done with these, I have just few more before I join you in your non-religion religion.

 

[Benadam]

oudave:

Hey Lisa
Don’t go off on a a wild tangent here, this is what I was responding to.

Contacting the “dead” forbidden you say? Apparently Jesus did not have a problem with it. Why should we? ANWK

Just because Jesus can do it doesn’t mean we can. Of course I don’t believe that the resurrection was nothing. The death, burriel and resurrection of Christ is what gives Christians hope.

If we are Christians then we are not seperated from Christ, unless your catholic then you go to limbo or purgatory or whatever place the catholic church has made up.

I don’t throw any book out of the Bible, I don’t add too or take anything out of it either.
In Him and Him Only, Dave.

You don’t have the scholarship to offer a convincing alteration that would be given authority by anyone

Jesus did things He taught we couldn’t do?..He taught you will do greater things than I.

Also, the purging experienced in purgatory is the presence of Jesus. Would you deny that Jesus has that effect?

 

[MaggieOH]

TNT:

Sorry, the devil made me do it. I repent. I never was any good at resisting temptation.

As a penalty that will be:

1 x Hail Queen of Heaven
5 x decades of Rosary each day for a week



Maybe then you will resist temptation and not let these people divert the thread into their agenda

 

[ANWK]

Hi, will any Protestant reply to my post in #476 where i said

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You might say that you do not subscribe to logic. What about subscribing to the words of the Bible. If you can explain the words of Elizabeth, (while filled with the Holy Spirit) “the mother of my Lord” away, I think all of us will shut up.

(Try explaining this away and your problem is solved)

You might say that “Lord” does not equate “God”. Let me bring you to the words of Thomas when Jesus appeared to him after the Resurrection, when he exclaimed, “My Lord and my God”. Would that be sufficient proof that the 2 words, “Lord” and “God” when used in reference to Jesus are analagous?

Let’s go back to the Bible shall we, as apparently to you, everything must be proven from there. I think I have shown clearly that the phrase “Mother of God” comes from the Bible and from a source no less than the Holy Spirit Himself.

So what’s your objection this time round? Let’s hear you out.​

This is in relation to your objextions about Mary being the mother of God…

Please respond and stop ignoring the question.

 

[jimmy]

The statement of Mary’s in Luke 1 is in light of the fact that the angel is speaking of a future event. The angel says you shall concieve a son. Mary saws how can this be since I know not man. Mary knew the angel was using the future tense. One of the most reveared men by protestants, St. Augustine, speaks of this and confirms that Mary had given a vow of virginity. I believe I posted the quote on the first page of this thread.

 

[oudave]

MaggieOH:

As a penalty that will be:

1 x Hail Queen of Heaven
5 x decades of Rosary each day for a week



Maybe then you will resist temptation and not let these people divert the thread into their agenda

Hi-
This is just my opinion but doesn’t saying 1 Hail Mary and 5 Rosary’s seem like a CHEAP way as pentance for a sin. There is a praise song called ‘‘Here I am to Worship’’ and there is a line in it that goes,
‘‘and I’ll never now how much it cost to see my sin up on that cross’’
I don’t think some people really understand how big a price Christ paid for us, not only was there the physical pain but there was also the seperation from the Father. We as Christians need to HATE sin so bad that it makes us sick when we slip into it. This is just my belief but I think that offering up a few wrote and repetitive prayers is only offering up peanuts to the one who gave HIS ALL.
In Him and Him Only, Dave.

 

[john_doran]

oudave:

This is just my belief but I think that offering up a few wrote and repetitive prayers is only offering up peanuts to the one who gave HIS ALL.

it’s not just your belief - it’s also the belief of the catholic church…

 

[Benadam]

This is just my belief but I think that offering up a few wrote and repetitive prayers is only offering up peanuts to the one who gave HIS ALL.

In the measure you hand out is the measure you will be judged

 

[sfp]

oudave:

Hi-
This is just my opinion but doesn’t saying 1 Hail Mary and 5 Rosary’s seem like a CHEAP way as pentance for a sin. There is a praise song called ‘‘Here I am to Worship’’ and there is a line in it that goes,
‘‘and I’ll never now how much it cost to see my sin up on that cross’’
I don’t think some people really understand how big a price Christ paid for us, not only was there the physical pain but there was also the seperation from the Father. We as Christians need to HATE sin so bad that it makes us sick when we slip into it. This is just my belief but I think that offering up a few wrote and repetitive prayers is only offering up peanuts to the one who gave HIS ALL.
In Him and Him Only, Dave.

The Church takes sin VERY seriously. In fact, the Catholic Church also reinforces the Bible’s clear teaching that unrepented sin can AND WILL keep you from inheriting the kingdom of God.

Do YOU take sin that seriously? Or do you think that your simple statement or “declaration” is enough, regardles of whether or not you commit mortal sins? Feel free to start a new thread on your latest attack.

 

[Axion]

Benadam:

I doubt he can grasp the hypostatic union Maggie. But I would ask this question.

What part of Jesus was pre-existent. His Body. His Spirit His Soul?
Just what part of the person of Jesus was God?

ALL of the person of Jesus is God, since He is fully God and fully man.

Trying to divide Jesus into two persons has been a major error and heresy since the 1st century.

The hypostatic union is a complete and eternal union of Jesus’s two natures, divine and human, into one person, one personality. The natures lose nothing of their uniqueness but they are permanently joined.

So trying to say that Mary was only mother of His human half (in order to try to belittle Mary) is an attempt to divide Jesus into two beings, and effectively denies the fullness of His incarnation. This is where that argument drifts into Gnosticism and Nestorian heresy.

Jesus is one person, God the Son, Mary is mother of every part of God the Son. hence she is rightly termed Mother of God.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

oudave:

Hi-
This is just my opinion but doesn’t saying 1 Hail Mary and 5 Rosary’s seem like a CHEAP way as pentance for a sin. There is a praise song called ‘‘Here I am to Worship’’ and there is a line in it that goes,
‘‘and I’ll never now how much it cost to see my sin up on that cross’’
I don’t think some people really understand how big a price Christ paid for us, not only was there the physical pain but there was also the seperation from the Father. We as Christians need to HATE sin so bad that it makes us sick when we slip into it. This is just my belief but I think that offering up a few wrote and repetitive prayers is only offering up peanuts to the one who gave HIS ALL.
In Him and Him Only, Dave.

Let’s see Dave, the Hail Mary come frome SCRIPTURE The Rosary is prayer and reflection on The GOSPELS Which includes the Our Father that was written by JESUS That is NOT meaningless repetitve prayer,unless you feel that the GOSPELS,SCRIPTURE and JESUS’ prayer is such.God Bless

 

[hlgomez]

It is a question of giving Mary honor that belongs only to God.

Xavier,

By your own definition, we don’t have to follow God’s Commandments: “Honor your father and your mother.”?

Pio

 

[hlgomez]

This is just my opinion but doesn’t saying 1 Hail Mary and 5 Rosary’s seem like a CHEAP way as pentance for a sin.

Oudave,

You’re adding up insults to what is basically written in Scriptures and used by Catholics as universal prayers. You are insulting the words of the Archangel Gabriel when he declared to Mary; “Hail, full of grace” and Elizabeth who was filled with the Holy Spirit when she said the words; “The Lord is with you” and calling them “CHEAP” prayers? I thought you are a Bible-loving and Bible-believing Christian?

And worst of all, you are saying that the prayers such as the Apostle’s Creed, Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be, and the different Mysteries of the Rosary taken from the Bible are all “CHEAP” according to you? I hope and pray that you know what you are talking about and may God forgive your ignorance.

Pio

 

[Xavier]

oudave:

Hi-
This is just my opinion but doesn’t saying 1 Hail Mary and 5 Rosary’s seem like a CHEAP way as pentance for a sin. There is a praise song called ‘‘Here I am to Worship’’ and there is a line in it that goes,
‘‘and I’ll never now how much it cost to see my sin up on that cross’’
I don’t think some people really understand how big a price Christ paid for us, not only was there the physical pain but there was also the seperation from the Father. We as Christians need to HATE sin so bad that it makes us sick when we slip into it. This is just my belief but I think that offering up a few wrote and repetitive prayers is only offering up peanuts to the one who gave HIS ALL.
In Him and Him Only, Dave.

Here I am to worship is a great song, I like Tim Hughes version the best.
Hating the sin is a step beyond knowing you sinned and your sorry for sinning. To know how sin seperates you from God and knowing the love He poured out to you, I slowly come to hate sin.
Jesus paid the full price of our sins on the cross it is a free gift to all those who will accept it.

 

[Xavier]

MaggieOH:

Let me put it this way, if you were Joseph and you had been informed that the woman you had been chosen to marry had made a vow of virginity, and at the time of being told you did not object, then under the Law of Moses, you would not be allowed to sleep with your wife.

Maggie

A man marry a woman who made a vow virginity why?

 

[Xavier]

ANWK:

Hi, will any Protestant reply to my post in #476 where i said

---

You might say that you do not subscribe to logic. What about subscribing to the words of the Bible. If you can explain the words of Elizabeth, (while filled with the Holy Spirit) “the mother of my Lord” away, I think all of us will shut up.

(Try explaining this away and your problem is solved)

You might say that “Lord” does not equate “God”. Let me bring you to the words of Thomas when Jesus appeared to him after the Resurrection, when he exclaimed, “My Lord and my God”. Would that be sufficient proof that the 2 words, “Lord” and “God” when used in reference to Jesus are analagous?

Let’s go back to the Bible shall we, as apparently to you, everything must be proven from there. I think I have shown clearly that the phrase “Mother of God” comes from the Bible and from a source no less than the Holy Spirit Himself.

So what’s your objection this time round? Let’s hear you out.​

This is in relation to your objextions about Mary being the mother of God…

Please respond and stop ignoring the question.

Tom do a study on the Old Testament term lord (Adonia). Lord is used for God as well as slavemaster to boss to anyone over you.
Evangelicals will say that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses something is established. That is why you must find at leastr to scriptures preferable three to make a point.

 

[Xavier]

Lisa4Catholics:

Pugatory is not made up Anyway those are some other verses that are avoided so you can deny Christs Church.Pugatory is a purification not total seperation from Christ.Wrong there were books taken out of your Bible Oudave.What kind of hope does it give you?If we are part of the body of Christ we do not cease to be at physical death.God Bless
PS Please don’t hit and run,dialog is difficult.Start a thread on these issues,one at a time,or rather one per thread,so we do not hijack the thread any further.

What purifies us is the blood of Christ.