Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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If a company hires an illegal and doesnt hire a person legally able to do the job. That harms both of them. The illegal is most likely being underpaid.
 
It somehow is come to think of it.

We want to help everyone, that’s admirable, it really is. However we have limited resources and only can help a finite amount of people. I’d rather help our poor and disenfranchised that are already here.
 
Yes. Not only that. The employer may in their defense not know that certain immigrant with legal papers may actually be an illegal immigrant with a stolen identity. There is a lucrative trade in stolen identities closely tied to illegal immigration and the primary victims are Hispanic males who are here legally or who are US citizens.

Illegal immigration claims several victims, first the illegal immigrants themselves who have no protection under the law and are vulnerable to exploitation, second our poor who have to compete for jobs, third, victims of crime like identity theft. I honestly do not see any upside to tolerating illegal immigration just because of misplaced sympathy.
 
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I would help a legit and legal refugee as I would a vet. Someone accepted for immigration by the US who genuinely meets the refugee requirements needs our help and compassion so they too can become a functioning member of our community.
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Regarding refugees, agreed, we have some obligation to help legitimate refugees, even if it means using our tax dollars.

We can’t afford to help all the refugees in the world (as I suggested in the other post) and we have a cap on the number, but the United States has the most generous refugee policy in the world.
 
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"For I was hungry and you fed me . . . but only after checking your documents to make sure you were ‘my legal neighbor.’ "

File that one under “thing Jesus never said.”
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Understood, Jesus said that, as I mentioned in the other post (referring to Matthew 25:31-46).

If this passage were taken to an extreme, someone could say that because on my way to Catholic Mass Saturday night I didn’t help the person on the sidewalk begging for money, I’m going to hell.

As I interpret it, though, there are limits on what my country can afford to give to the poor and what I can afford to give. I wouldn’t expect some poor mother to give money to a beggar if she needed that money to feed her children.
 
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Regarding refugees, agreed, we have some obligation to help legitimate refugees, even if it means using our tax dollars.
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But the problem with you post it that all refugees (illegals) would some how become legitimate.
 
We all get a choice there. Some people choose to send checks that help victims of domestic violence. Others for homeless families. All of that is legit, including help for victims of their countries’ corruption. I refuse to allow people to suffer just because they don’t have the right documents with them.
 
There’s no such thing as “an illegal.” There are undocumented people, but nobody’s existence is illegal.

It’s not the part of the undocumented immigrant that they’re being underpaid. That is the fault of the business that chooses to underpay them. Let’s keep the blame where it belongs. Also, it looks like the documented migrants are also being underpaid

On the complete contrary to what you’re saying, if our country helps the immigrants, documented or not, the immigrants end up contributing to our country.
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Regarding refugees, agreed, we have some obligation to help legitimate refugees, even if it means using our tax dollars.

We can’t afford to help all the refugees in the world (as I suggested in the other post) and we have a cap on the number, but the United States has the most generous refugee policy in the world.
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Yes, most of our help to refugees should be at the point of crisis, give them shelter, food, protection, and work to stabilize the crisis so they can return home. Refugee immigrants should be people who can never return home due to persecution etc.
 
Than we need to reform laws that are unjust and come down hard on employers who are too willing to exploit and underpay their workers.

What we should not do is turn our head and deny that illegal immigration is a problem and give a wink and a nod to people who walk over the border and disrespect US sovereignty while even more desperate people wait decades to come in legally. That is unjust.
 
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There’s no such thing as “an illegal.” There are undocumented people, but nobody’s existence is illegal.

It’s not the part of the undocumented immigrant that they’re being underpaid. That is the fault of the business that chooses to underpay them. Let’s keep the blame where it belongs. Also, it looks like the documented migrants are also being underpaid

On the complete contrary to what you’re saying, if our country helps the immigrants, documented or not, the immigrants end up contributing to our country.
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I’ll chose my own language, thank you very much. I’m not even going to add alleged in front of illegals, their guilt on the offense really isn’t in doubt.

Farm worker wages will increase only when farmers primarily use legal workers, including seasonal guest workers. That’s just how competition in the labor market works.

Your nation article is a strawman since critics have valid data that it’s a net drain, not that some illegal migrants don’t contribute something. Be an adult and stop playing with strawmen dolls. The legal worker that replaces an illegal worker will likely get a higher salary, which means more tax revenue and likely lower welfare costs to boot.
On wages for farm workers, I found this analysis worth reading. It also discusses the underutilized seasonal ag visa program.
An average household currently spends about $370 per year on fruits and vegetables. If curtailing illegal alien agricultural labor caused tighter labor conditions and a 40 percent increase in wages, the increased cost to the American family would be $9 a year, or about 2.4 cents per day. Yet for the farm laborer, the change would mean an increase in earnings from $8,800 to $12,350 for each 1,000 hours of work (25 weeks if the worker worked 40-hour weeks). That increase would move the worker from beneath the federal poverty line to above it.
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But that is the point, the progressive would claim that anyone entering this country would be legal refugees.
 
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Than we need to reform laws that are unjust and come down hard on employers who are too willing to exploit and underpay their workers.

What we should not do is turn our head and deny that illegal immigration is a problem and give a wink and a nod to people who walk over the border and disrespect US sovereignty while even more desperate people wait decades to come in legally. That is unjust.
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We have legal citizens including veterans who are living on the streets.

They have to come first,
 
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But that is the point, the progressive would claim that anyone entering this country would be legal refugees.
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Yes, that caravan of migrants was well coached and were all seeking asylum status.

I think we need to hold firm on the requirements, including where you can apply. The caravan from south of Mexico should be obtaining their refugee status and benefits in Mexico, not the US.
 
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In 2017, over 553,000 Americans were homeless with one out of every five of them living in New York City or Los Angeles. 65 percent of the country’s homeless population was provided with emergency shelter, according to a report from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.The largest number of homeless people was recorded in New York City (76,501), with Los Angeles in second place (55,188).

This chart shows CoCs with the largest numbers of people experiencing homelessness in 2016.

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