Minneapolis Riots

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OurLadyofSorrows said:
He has been charged now.
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I’m not sure that’s telling us a lot yet. As far as I can tell, he was charged late last night, within 6 hours of the incident. I’m standing by my prediction until we learn more! I hope I’m right (I’d much rather this be a terrible accident than a monstrous act of evil).
 
StudentMI said:
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goout:
If you don’t respect the life of every human being, you are the problem.
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I apologize for not rioting when whites were killed by police for no reason.
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Shouldn’t we also riot when anyone murders anyone of a difference race? Or of the same race? There was a murder (shooting) in my city last night. I can almost guarantee that the victim was black. I can almost guarantee that the shooter was black. Should we also honor the victim by protesting? Because black lives matter, right?
 
Semi truck update: our Commissioner of Public Safety just gave the most detailed statement on this so far. He said the trucker was already on the freeway doing a route he always does. He didn’t go around or avoid any road blocks. Once he realized the protest was on the freeway in front of him, he panicked. He laid on the horn for 15-20 seconds and was intending to drive through as the crowd parted. However, one girl fell down and couldn’t move, so he slammed on his brakes and stopped just short of her.

This is one of the main facts that made me realize this wasn’t intentional: it was clear from the video that he failed to run over the one person who was in his path.

Thank God this was not attempted murder! At this point, my guess is that the final charges against him will now be related to recklessness (speeding, not stopping sooner).

One official made the point that this is exactly why protesting shouldn’t happen on the freeway. It’s extremely dangerous. It only takes one mistake with vehicles going 70 miles per hour for a disaster to happen.
 
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It is virtually a miracle that no one was run over. I just happened to be watching the protest on TV when this occurred. Unbelievable. If the driver was innocent, as it now appears he was, then the fault lies with the patrols or MNDot, or whoever, who had the responsibility of shutting the highways and policing them for remaining cars/trucks. The size of this gas tank truck meant it stuck out like a sore thumb, yet it was somehow “missed” by all the helicopters, drones, etc that have been circling the city for days now? Something is still really fishy about this story.
 
27lw said:
Shouldn’t we also riot when anyone murders anyone of a difference race? Or of the same race? There was a murder (shooting) in my city last night. I can almost guarantee that the victim was black. I can almost guarantee that the shooter was black. Should we also honor the victim by protesting? Because black lives matter, right?
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No one rioted, or cared very much, when white people were killed by cops. Least of all those rioting now.
 
@Limoncello4021, I think part of the problem was the last-second nature of the closure. All day authorities had been planning to close the freeways at 8pm and so everyone was counting on that. Somewhere in the 4pm hour, it became clear this crowd (which I’ve seen estimated at 5-6 thousand) was heading towards the freeway, so they quickly called MNDOT and told them to shut the freeways down at 5pm (and presumably, immediately for 35W). I’m sure it was a mad scramble to not only get 35W shut down immediately, but also all the other freeways shut down within 30-odd minutes. I am not surprised to see a mistake slip through in that scenario.

It seems to me that Occam’s razor applies here: the simplest explanation is a mistake.
 
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Of course, there is no shortage of black people that cops have egregiously mistreated to the point of death. Outright killed them. Are white / Latino / Asian people ever this mistreated by cops? Would the media cover it? Would they run the stories every day until people are rioting in the streets?
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
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goout:
Yea, I know, don’t bring abortion into this discussion. Well, you, don’t bring racial violence into it.
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That is a silly comparison. A good case can be made for racial violence affecting the Minneapolis riots. There is no serious case that abortions have caused the Minneapolis riots.
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Wasn’t my point that abortions caused riots.
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The point is, it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being with power over them, because we have codified into law the worthlessness of human life.
 
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goout said:
Wasn’t my point that abortions caused riots.
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The point is, it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being with power over them, because we have codified into law the worthlessness of human life.
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That’s the same thing! If "it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being because we have allowed abortion", then you are implying a causal relationship between the two, otherwise, if there were no causal relationship, it would be at least surprising, if not shocking that one man’s life is seen as worthless to another. Logic.
 
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goout said:
it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being with power over them, because we have codified into law the worthlessness of human life.
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The way in which we have structured our lives, our commerce, our consumption shows that humanity has lost respect for LIFE & LAND
 
LeafByNiggle said:
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goout:
Wasn’t my point that abortions caused riots.
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The point is, it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being with power over them, because we have codified into law the worthlessness of human life.
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That’s the same thing! If "it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being because we have allowed abortion", then you are implying a causal relationship between the two, otherwise, if there were no causal relationship, it would be at least surprising, if not shocking that one man’s life is seen as worthless to another. Logic.
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No I am not implying a direct causal relationship.
Don’t put words in peoples mouths now…
 
goout said:
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LeafByNiggle:
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goout:
Wasn’t my point that abortions caused riots.
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The point is, it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being with power over them, because we have codified into law the worthlessness of human life.
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That’s the same thing! If "it shouldn’t shock anyone that a man’s life is worthless in the eyes of another human being because we have allowed abortion", then you are implying a causal relationship between the two, otherwise, if there were no causal relationship, it would be at least surprising, if not shocking that one man’s life is seen as worthless to another. Logic.
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No I am not implying a direct causal relationship.
Don’t put words in peoples mouths now…
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I am just interpreting exactly what you wrote. If it is “not surprising” then why not? It could only be because there is a causal relationship.
 
27lw said:
Shouldn’t we also riot when anyone murders anyone of a difference race? Or of the same race? There was a murder (shooting) in my city last night. I can almost guarantee that the victim was black. I can almost guarantee that the shooter was black. Should we also honor the victim by protesting? Because black lives matter, right?
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Maybe folks get more upset by a murder which symbolizes allegations of chronic mistreatment than what is essentially a street crime? There are reasons why there are stronger punishments for what are called ‘hate crimes’. In those, essentially a whole community is victimized.
 
Wampa said:
One official made the point that this is exactly why protesting shouldn’t happen on the freeway. It’s extremely dangerous. It only takes one mistake with vehicles going 70 miles per hour for a disaster to happen.
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You’re probably too young to remember, but this is like the minister who was run over by the bulldozer at a civil rights protest. The protesters lay down behind the machinery and the driver did not see him. A 26 year old minister protesting the building of a segregated school was run over in 1964.

 
puer.dei said:
The protests are about justice. Don’t conflate the protesters with the rioters. There’s bound to be some overlap, but it’s far from universal.
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When the ‘protestors’ get a handle on themselves I’ll consider.
 
StudentMI said:
When the ‘protestors’ get a handle on themselves I’ll consider.
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The protesters do have “a handle on themselves.” You’re trying to blame them for anything done by anybody. It’s so easy to just issue a blanket condemnation.
 
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