Minneapolis Riots

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puer.dei said:
The protesters do have “a handle on themselves.” You’re trying to blame them for anything done by anybody. It’s so easy to just issue a blanket condemnation.
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It also seems incredibly easy for these ‘protests’ to turn into free for alls.
 
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Which should be blamed on the actual criminals.
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Agreed. But considering this isn’t a COINTELPRO op, and the white nationalist theory makes zero sense, the blame lies on one side. Especially when the protestors took part to such a large degree.
 
I’m not exactly sure how the unjust killing of George Floyd justifies someone going into a Target and stealing a large screen television. How is the first thing even remotely related to the second?
 
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I’m not exactly sure how the unjust murder of George Floyd grants a group of hooligans the right to burn down minority-owned businesses. Blood, sweat, and tears put into the build-up of a small business - gone.
 
It sure is easy for celebrities living in gated communities to be insensitive to the lives that are being destroyed by the destruction left behind by the rioters.
 
I don’t agree that people should turn into criminals & steal, burn, loot, vandalize & destroy property. Civil disobedience to this extent is simply wrong & has to be negotiated quickly. Peoples mortality are also at very high risk & I consider this MUCH MORE URGENT. Both are criminal actions, however one seems more important than the other (life over property)

It is perfectly legal to protest PEACEFULLY, in fact, it is a key feature in all democracies & every persons right to practice activism in the spirit of positive change. We must be civil, respectful & follow the processes that have been formulated throughout history to exercise our right to protest.

VIOLENCE SHOULD NEVER BE NECESSARY to make positive change
 
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Seems to me that restoring order is turning into governments encouraging their citizens to cooperate vs making them submit. It’s the result of eroded trust over the decades.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
encouraging their citizens to cooperate vs making them submit.
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Yes but it should be the government cooperating & talking with citizens to make the changes necessary to prevent further deaths in custody & QUICKLY

As for forcefully making people submit, is totalitarian & against the principals of democracy. This should not happen either, the voting citizens have the right to shape the government to better reflect the needs of the majority.
 
  1. Forming coalitions among different neighborhoods and citizen groups across the city
  2. Draw up a list of demands regarding the abolition of the current MPD and its racist union.
  3. Discuss various alternatives ranging from neighborhood watch associations to creating an advisory board comprised of POC for an entirely new PD.
  4. Require that any police force formed mandates that officer’s reside in the city.
  5. Require rigorous training in hand-to-hand methods of subduing an opponent as opposed to the current default lazy route of relying on a gun or mace. In addition to other deescalation techniques.
  6. Require intensive and frequent community events so that police and the community build trust and knowledge of each other.
  7. Minimum percentage of force must be POC.
As of now, 4 through 7 are not required and never have been. I’ve lived in Longfellow for 5 years and haven’t encountered a single cop off duty in the community or as a neighbor. I’ve never seen any police cars parked as a resident.

The cops are basically paid outside mercenaries who shoot black people to the rate of 13 times that of whites. I have always felt wary of the police here in a way I haven’t in other cities and states I’ve lived in. That might have to do with Kroll being a white nationalist. Or just the rest of the issues I’ve listed.
 
Eh, even if I’m wrong I’m still mostly right. It wasn’t white nationalists forcing people to loot and riot. You can yell let’s destroy the city but you can’t force people to do it. Imagine if someone had said that at one of the protests last month. I doubt many would have followed their lead.
 
Nobody’s talking about “forcing people to loot and riot.” The issue is falsely blaming the peaceful protesters for the actions of the criminals.
 
puer.dei said:
Nobody’s talking about “forcing people to loot and riot.” The issue is falsely blaming the peaceful protesters for the actions of the criminals.
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Well if you’re gonna separate the two, let’s not be too quick to say the white nationalists were responsible for all the bad. They didn’t force people to loot and destroy property and act violent.
 
StudentMI said:
Well if you’re gonna separate the two, let’s not be too quick to say the white nationalists were responsible for all the bad. They didn’t force people to loot and destroy property and act violent.
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  1. I didn’t say they were “responsible for all the bad.,” nor have I seen anyone else say it.
  2. Again, nobody’s talking about “forcing people to loot and destroy.”
  3. And again, you dodge giving any justification for blaming peaceful protesters for the actions of criminals. The only thing accomplished by that is to deflect attention from what caused the protests to start in the first place.
 
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I know you aren’t. It’s just that now I’m seeing people say ah ha! White nationalists! Now it all makes sense! It’s silly and oversimplifying.
 
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puer.dei said:
And again, you dodge giving any justification for blaming peaceful protesters for the actions of criminals. The only thing accomplished by that is to deflect attention from what caused the protests to start in the first place.
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I’m not dodging anything. Protest is fine, protest can be good. However I think given the climate and the rhetoric used riots were inevitable. All it took was one window being smashed and suddenly it was a free for all. Metaphorically speaking.
 
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