Most Catholic women use birth control banned by church

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Serap said:
I am so glad that my fellow parishers and priest friends do not share this smug attitude. Most of my clergy friends have the utmost respect for any Christian of any denomination.
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From the link:
*The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, ratified and confirmed these Responses, adopted in the Plenary Session of the Congregation, and ordered their publication.
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What other things has Pope Benedict XVI done that you disapprove of?
 
1holycatholic said:
From the link:
*The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, ratified and confirmed these Responses, adopted in the Plenary Session of the Congregation, and ordered their publication.
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What other things has Pope Benedict XVI done that you disapprove of?
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I find you to be most disrespeful on this thread.
 
Serap said:
I find you to be most disrespeful on this thread.
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It was you who disparaged the Holy Father.

It was you that boasted about heterodox seminarians about to be ordained to the priesthood.
 
Serap, I can’t help if you take offense at something that wasn’t meant to cause offense. What did I say that wasn’t true? 🤷 It’s true that Protestants have no outside teaching authority. Each Protestant is told to read the Bible for him/herself and make decisions based on his or her interpretation of it.

Maybe we should back up a bit. Let’s start here.

Do you believe that the Catholic Church was given teaching authority by Jesus Christ? Yes or no?
 
Serap said:
I see a lot of judging in this thread. That’s what I meant. I dislike this about the Catholic community. So much judging and it pushes many people away.
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That is how I feel and I am catholic.
 
Rascalking said:
In fairness to all these women, maybe they don’t know alot about WHY the church says contraception is bad. Maybe they are just nervous about Natural Family Planning and doubt it’s effectiveness?

Notice I’m NOT saying that contraception is a good thing. Keep that in mind.
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Well,they certainly don’t hear much about ther topic in Church. And this goes back a long ways.fifty years ago, priests were telling women in the confessional that the Church was about to change its teaching on birth control. The reaction to Humanaae Vitae in 1968, when even the bishops, of Canada refused to affirm Church teaching was an indication that, to use the phrase of Jacques Maritain, the Church was genuflecting to the World. Never mind that the document was prophetic: everything bad thing predicted has come to pass. Ironically, we don’t even have to use the natural law argument–no one gets it anyway–sociologically conta ception has don’t as much as anything to caused the distintegration of the traditional family and the repudiation of traditional sexual morality.
 
happymommy said:
Kind of funny that the ones standing up for the Church are the ones that haven’t been raised Catholic…actually it’s not funny at all, it’s sad!

10 years this Easter for me:signofcross:
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Cradle Catholic, though I did have a 10 year period in the wilderness… I thank God every day he kept calling me back.
 
Serap said:
oooo wanner, you are crossing a line of insulting Protestants here. I’m sure you don’t mean to, but you have to remain charitable to Protestants on this thread.

Just my 2 cents.
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Its funny, because honestly I was saying pretty much exactly the same thing… Packaged differently though. I’m sorry Serap, there’s a very real truth here. This isn’t meant as an insult, but rather it’s a true observation of Protestantism, and I beleive if you take a step back and think about it you’ll see that this problem is just inherant to protestantism, it’s built in.

There is no teaching authority, every reads the bible and decides for them selves. For a long time Christians more or less maintained some semblence of unity at least in so far as cultural norms. But with now authority, the moment something “sexy” comes along (like say, a sexual revolution) there’s nothing within protistantism to keep it from all falling apart. Everyone reads the bible, everyone decides for them selves. And many decide “I’m saved by my faith anyway”.
 
crazzeto said:
Its funny, because honestly I was saying pretty much exactly the same thing… Packaged differently though. I’m sorry Serap, there’s a very real truth here. This isn’t meant as an insult, but rather it’s a true observation of Protestantism, and I beleive if you take a step back and think about it you’ll see that this problem is just inherant to protestantism, it’s built in.

There is no teaching authority, every reads the bible and decides for them selves. For a long time Christians more or less maintained some semblence of unity at least in so far as cultural norms. But with now authority, the moment something “sexy” comes along (like say, a sexual revolution) there’s nothing within protistantism to keep it from all falling apart. Everyone reads the bible, everyone decides for them selves. And many decide “I’m saved by my faith anyway”.
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Well I know of many Protestants that would disagree with you and then state that the Catholic church worships idols and has Pagan rituals ingrained it her church.

This would be a very disrespectful comment made to a Catholic. ( one that I personally disagree with btw.)

I disagree with this and it depends where one is coming from.

Look guys…I AM following the rules 🤷 I AM using NFP 🤷 I AM living the life of a good Catholic…I go to church if my kids allow; I go to Confession.
Please stop treating me as though I am some naughty little girl who needs to be spanked!

I am simply stating objectively that belittling Protestants is not charitable. Fulton Sheen is a hero to most, but to me, he’s judgemental.

My close priest friend once told me that everyone has their faith in some way and that we should never judge them. He told me that even someone who goes to church once a year is demonstrating his faith in some way. He said that he cannot make any judgements on anyone and that it’s up to God.

One can objectively say anything, but like theory, putting it into practice is not always going to demonstrate that the theory is always correct.
 
Serap, stating a truth isn’t necesarly always being judgmental. The facts about protistantism remain though, can you really truely disagree… And what I mean by this is, can you really offer a defence that it is objectivly not true that private judgment leads to Chaos. Serap, even the reformers them selves saw this, Luther him self lamented this aspect of the reformation, a few years on.

It is neither unkind, nor uncharitable to state a truth when it is so plain. It is not being judgmental, it is merely acknowlegeing the reality of the situation.

However since you protested, then let me invite you to inform me how this view point is false. How is it false that private judgment has lead to fracture in Christianity, and eventually to allowance of things like the sexual revolution. The ball is in your court, but I guess I should disclose this much… I don’t say what I said with out having seen it first hand.
 
crazzeto said:
Serap, stating a truth isn’t necesarly always being judgmental. The facts about protistantism remain though, can you really truely disagree… And what I mean by this is, can you really offer a defence that it is objectivly not true that private judgment leads to Chaos. Serap, even the reformers them selves saw this, Luther him self lamented this aspect of the reformation, a few years on.

It is neither unkind, nor uncharitable to state a truth when it is so plain. It is not being judgmental, it is merely acknowlegeing the reality of the situation.

However since you protested, then let me invite you to inform me how this view point is false. How is it false that private judgment has lead to fracture in Christianity, and eventually to allowance of things like the sexual revolution. The ball is in your court, but I guess I should disclose this much… I don’t say what I said with out having seen it first hand.
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The sexual revolution is a by-product of people leaving the church entirely; not by becoming a Protestant.

Many kids don’t go to any church…they are products of divorce and immorality…they are not given boundaries and they are not taught how to cope with their emotions efficiently.

If one goes around throwing the truth at these vulnerable people, they will just bark and walk away from religion entirely.

My good priest friend has a much more gentle approach. He’s kind and befriends people. He NEVER preaches or acts holier than thou. He lets people into his circle…he invites them to join him in the parish hall…he personally shakes everyone’s hand and hugs the women and children before mass begins and then does the same when they leave.

He only will talk about the truth when he is asked a specific question about a specific topic and even then, he will be very gentle and compassionate.

I had a talk with him about abortion once. Instead of calling it murder, he said that it was very sad that so many babies are destroyed when so many parents are infertile. He talked about how beautiful adoption can be and that many parishners that have adopted have been very happy.

This would get a woman to think, “yeah, adoption is a beautiful choice.” and this would help in changing her mind about abortion.

This is the approach that I find to be respectful and compassionate; turning a negative into a positive when discussing a sensitive subject about truth.
 
Serap said:
The sexual revolution is a by-product of people leaving the church entirely; not by becoming a Protestant.

Many kids don’t go to any church…they are products of divorce and immorality…they are not given boundaries and they are not taught how to cope with their emotions efficiently.

If one goes around throwing the truth at these vulnerable people, they will just bark and walk away from religion entirely.

My good priest friend has a much more gentle approach. He’s kind and befriends people. He NEVER preaches or acts holier than thou. He lets people into his circle…he invites them to join him in the parish hall…he personally shakes everyone’s hand and hugs the women and children before mass begins and then does the same when they leave.

He only will talk about the truth when he is asked a specific question about a specific topic and even then, he will be very gentle and compassionate.

I had a talk with him about abortion once. Instead of calling it murder, he said that it was very sad that so many babies are destroyed when so many parents are infertile. He talked about how beautiful adoption can be and that many parishners that have adopted have been very happy.

This would get a woman to think, “yeah, adoption is a beautiful choice.” and this would help in changing her mind about abortion.

This is the approach that I find to be respectful and compassionate; turning a negative into a positive when discussing a sensitive subject about truth.
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You seem to think though, that people left the church and then the sexual revolution happened. That really just isn’t true, look at the attendance numbers at the time the revolution was happenening, and comepare them through the years up to today, they tell another story completely. They tell a story of people allowing the revolution to happen, continuing to go to church, and then only leaving after years of being caught up in the sexual revolution.

Again, like the data cited by an earlier poster shows exactly how contracecption (back to the point of the thread) hurts. People start contracepting, despite scriptures they convince them selves this is OK with arguments like “well God killed Onana because he was thinking he wanted to get his brothers wealth”, even though the bible clearly states God killed Onana because he did a detestable thing. Next thing you know your making realtivistic arguments, like one I heard not long ago

“my wife figures as long as you do something with a clear contience it’s not a sin”

Yeah, I heard that just days ago from a very devout non-denominational Christian (former baptist, but he had a falling out with his baptist church after eloping). How is this not moral realtism, it is. And this is what leads to one falling out of the Church completely. Exactly as we’ve seen, with the sexual revolution, which was fueled by novel Christian views that ABC is perfectly acceptable.
 
Serap said:
He only will talk about the truth when he is asked a specific question about a specific topic and even then, he will be very gentle and compassionate.

I
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How sad. A leader of a flock that will not adress the needs of his people unless they specificaly ask. I sure that makes everyone feel absolutely wonderful-whether is good for their immortal souls debateable.

It appears you are be in one of those unfortunate Paishes where the majority beleive the only sin is believing there is sin
 
Serap said:
all of you! :tsktsk:
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Serap said:
Don’t jump all over me, but I am friends with a few guys that will become priests this June. They are all around age 29, 30, and ALL of them think that birth control is ok and that the church will eventually change it’s stance.

I asked them yesterday actually and that’s what they told me.

Ok…I’m going to take cover now :hey_bud:
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Serap said:
I boasted about nothing. Stop being disrespectful!
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