MSNBC accuses Trump of operating concentration camps

[Theo520]

its the ripping apart of families.

NEWSFLASH - this happens every day in practically every city across the country when a parent is arrested or detained for a myriad of reasons.

Sometimes we even rip away the child and bring them to Juvie,

ohh the horror of it all ! ! !

Why haven’t you felt compelled to protest these daily interventions in the family unit?
Haven’t you been sent those talking points yet?

 

[Theo520]

Trump is just following the law, FDR wasn’t

 

[TechieGuy]

US officials think it is a great idea to take children away from their parents and then house those children in tents at a west Texas military base where the summer temperatures routinely get over a hundred degees

 

[Theo520]

So you think these kids aren’t acclimatized to heat?
Are you assuming they all come from air-conditioned middle and upper class homes?

FYI, the climate gets warmer as you move closer to the equator.

I’m also confident the ‘tent housing’ would be temporary, then they are moved to proper facilities.

 

[TechieGuy]

Google, “are we the baddies”, watch the video that comes up, and have a little think about it

 

[bassmansteiny]

Are you an Evangelical or Roman Catholic? Just curious??

Not sure what this has to do with being Evangelical or Roman Catholic. There is no political qualifications to being Catholic. I myself am politically conservative and am a Roman Catholic. In fact I am a “cradle Catholic” I’ve never even belonged to any other Christian Faith Community, other than maybe visiting a church because of another friend or family member.

Love you Brother Victor

 

[Hereiam]

NEWSFLASH - this happens every day in practically every city across the country when a parent is arrested or detained for a myriad of reasons.

In my mind, “That’s the way we’ve always done it”, or “Others do it that way” are hardly credible rationalizations for evil actions…but okay, social media sites such as this one are to allow divergent opinions.

 

[Theo520]

Google, “are we the baddies”, watch the video that comes up, and have a little think about it

Despite tense relations, U.S. and Mexico come together for earthquake recovery - Los Angeles Times

 

[Wampa]

Certainly FDR had internment camps for Japanese and German Americans, the latter not as well known.

Edit: I was wrong! Meltzerboy is quite correct: Internment of German Americans

 

[7_Sorrows]

bobperk:

The New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, Harvard, Yale, Stanford…just think of all these institutions that used to be so highly regarded and respected…but have now all been unveiled as bastions of left-wing lunacy.

Do you have any idea how extreme this statement is? I disagree with you but the way you put your view makes it impossible to engage. Throwing vitriol is not the traditional Catholic debate. You site your principles, your observations and your conclusions.

There is nothing extreme with the poster’s statement. The only thing I see wrong is that the list could be so much longer!

 

[7_Sorrows]

Ok, I’ll play. Gang violence and corrupt governments who are doing nothing to stop it and are likely, in fact, complicit.

Gang violence and corrupt governments?
When did those become reasons for asylum? Many Americans could use those two reasons for seeking asylum
if they were legitimate reasons. President Trump is trying to clean up the corruption, but we have seen proof of it.

 

[meltzerboy2]

According to my research on the topic, there were indeed German American internment camps for both German nationals and German American citizens. It was more selective than Japanese internment camps since there were so many German Americans. Further, the internment of German Americans was implemented by Woodrow Wilson during World War I. But it was Franklin Roosevelt who invoked the Alien Sedition Act to justify the internment of German American citizens. There was even talk of the deportation of both German and Italian Americans but such a project would have been largely unmanageable.

 

[Theo520]

Gang violence and corrupt governments?
When did those become reasons for asylum? Many Americans could use those two reasons for seeking asylum
if they were legitimate reasons. President Trump is trying to clean up the corruption, but we have seen proof of it.

I asked that a bit ago of one of our adamant progressive protesters, whether someone from the wrong part of Chicago qualifies for asylum in Canada.

Could never get a straight response.

My read of the UN Asylum requirements is that living in a bad neighborhood doesn’t qualify you for asylum. Where there is such a problem, the UN expects members to pressure the local govt to step up and do their job of protecting their citizens.

 

[Theo520]

There was even talk of the deportation of both German and Italian Americans but such a project would have been largely unmanageable.

In the CASUAL sub-forum, I started a thread on the most decorated unit in WW2, made up of Nisei (Japanese Americans). It gave me new information, that actually many Japanese Americans had contacted the president and their rep, that many of their fellow Nisei had allegiance to their emperor and could not be trusted.

This doesn’t change the illegality of what was done, but does provide context I had not heard.

 

[Hereiam]

No it wasn’t okay when Obama did it.

Agree…but yet another exam ple where Trump supporters justify actions because others did it…a pretty childish argument, but they seem to insist on using it, again and again.

 

[Theo520]

Agree…but yet another exam ple where Trump supporters justify actions because others did it…a pretty childish argument, but they seem to insist on using it, again and again.

Misrepresenting the scope of the problem is lying, plain and simple.

In 97 the Court thought it was ‘evil’ to keep the children with their ‘parents’ and ordered that they be separated and kept in a less restrictive environment.

 

[AlNg]

But it was Franklin Roosevelt who invoked the Alien Sedition Act to justify the internment of German American citizens.

I read that it was the Alien Enemies Act which was used by the government to identify and imprison enemy aliens from Germany, Japan, and Italy in World War II. General DeWitt justified incarcerating all Japanese Americans in concentration camps because of their race. He claimed it was impossible to determine their loyalty because of their race.

 

[Hereiam]

Misrepresenting the scope of the problem is lying, plain and simple

Indeed…and exactly what the current administration is doing.

 

[blackforest]

I think a little more education about the term is in order here.

Concentration camp Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

: a camp where persons (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, or refugees) are detained or confined

It sounds like these asylees and migrants are indeed concentrated. In camps.

https://www.npr.org/sections/publiceditor/2012/02/10/146691773/euphemisms-concentration-camps-and-the-japanese-internment

"Concentration camp" is a term that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more usually, and more accurately described as Death Camps. Stalin’s Gulags are slightly different, as they were prison camps, though the “crimes” and “trials” were often specious. But a concentration camp, such as those operated by the British during the Boer War, does not in and of itself suggest atrocity.

The OED defines a concentration camp as, “a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated, such as those instituted by Lord Kitchener during the Boer War (1899–1902); one for the internment of political prisoners, foreign nationals, etc., esp. as organized by the Nazi regime in Germany before and during the war of 1939–45.”

As it happens, phrases like “internment” and “detention center” are simply euphemisms for a concentration camp.

Roger Daniels, a historian and author, wrote an analysis for the University of Washington Press called “Words Do Matter: A Note on Inappropriate Terminology and the Incarceration of the Japanese Americans.” He concludes that, although it’s unlikely society will completely cease to use the phrase “Japanese internment,” scholars should abandon the term and use “concentration camp.” He considers internment a euphemism that minimizes a tragic time in American history.

The same should apply to the asylees and migrants being detained.

To be crystal clear, however, “concentration camp” is both accurate and acceptable, and no professional ethics were violated in this news story.

 

[edtaylor51]

Gang violence and corrupt governments?
When did those become reasons for asylum?

When there is no distinction between the gang and the government? If this situation doesn’t qualify for asylum, perhaps nothing does.