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What are alternatives for ripping apart the family due to deportation? Why not deport the entire family? How long will the children be kept in detention centers?
 
You’re solving the wrong problem for a lot of people. You are solving the problem of how to have a reasonable, workable immigration policy. The problem others want to solve is how to permanently destroy the culture of the US. For them this problem is really part of the solution.
 
Jump4Joy said:
What are alternatives for ripping apart the family due to deportation? Why not deport the entire family? How long will the children be kept in detention centers?
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I think there is a two part problem here.
  1. what to do with the kids when families are caught illegally sneaking across the border?
  2. what to do when parents who are set to be deported have a child(ren) who are American citizens?
We have a terrible mess because we haven’t been able to fix illegal immigration. And Obama’s catch and release program encouraged many more people to try to cross the boarder illegally. 😦
 
I’ve heard of finding homes in the USA to put the children in. Like I said in my other post, I expected more sympathy for this very real issue. I understand their parents are illegal inmigrants but something about ripping the families apart doesn’t seem right. It doesn’t sit well with me. Just because it is an immigration law, doesn’t mean it is not unethical.
 
Jump4Joy said:
I’ve heard of finding homes in the USA to put the children in. Like I said in my other post, I expected more sympathy for this very real issue. I understand their parents are illegal inmigrants but something about ripping the families apart doesn’t seem right. It doesn’t sit well with me. Just because it is an immigration law, doesn’t mean it is not unethical.
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Adults are using the children as a loophole to avoid detention, that is what is despicable.
 
I didnt say I agreed with that. These are things I’ve heard of. Why can’t they be deported as a family?
 
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Why do you feel adults are using children as a loophole?
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The ones who are using children as a “loophole” are crossing the border pregnant (or getting pregnant shortly after crossing) in order to giving birth in America, causing their kids to become American citizens.

Then, they are using the fact that their kids are US citizens to argue for the right to live in America.

The “loophole” is that when the law was written that people born on US soil would automatically become US citizens; it didn’t take into consideration people entering the United States illegally to give birth.
 
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I don’t think that is thing only illegal immigrants do. That is a trend for other people too. Some people purposely try to give birth on American soil to ensure their child citizenship.

What are these immigrants running from in their countries?
 
Jump4Joy said:
I don’t think that is thing only illegal immigrants do. That is a trend for other people too. Some people purposely try to give birth on American soil to ensure their child citizenship.

What are these immigrants running from in their countries?
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I totally agree with you. Again, when the law was written, they didn’t know that technology would make it theoretically possible to fly to the United States, give birth, and fly back home.

They assumed that when people traveled here, they were either coming for good or for a long enough time that making the children born here citizens made sense.

I honestly think we need to reconsider who’s kids automatically receive citizenship when born on US soil. My personal thought would be anyone traveling for vacation or here illegally would not automatically have their kids become US citizens.

But people here on permanent visas and work visas would.

The only question I have (which is the hard one) deals with DREAMERS and the kids who were born here to illegal immigrate parents but have been here their whole lives (aka, they are teens, etc)? It’s unfair to punish them for the sins of their parents.

What most of the people are running from is simply poverty, some from crime/corruption, but most are coming for the same reason other immigrants did. However, during the 1800s, immigrants all entered the United States via Ellis Island in New York and Angel Island in San Francisco. We didn’t have mass people walking, swimming, digging and driving over the boarder.

Regardless, this has become a royal mess that has been ignored for too long.
 
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What are these immigrants running from in their countries?
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I think they are running towards a better economic future, not running from something. Sorta the same reason someone moves from flyover country to NY or another big city, they want to ‘make it’
This is why they are called economic migrants.

I don’t fault them for their desire, but allowing it in volume does real harm to our lower income class citizens. The benefits of a tight labor market should go to our most vulnerable citizens and to our minorities that predominantly live in poverty.
 
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Jump4Joy:
I’ve heard of finding homes in the USA to put the children in.
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Why rip the kids from their parents permanently? Shouldn’t the kids go back with the parents when they are deported?
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If the kids are not US citizens yes. But if the children are US citizens, this opens up an entirely different can of worms because it’s technically impossible to deport a US Citizen.
 
This is a sticky situation. Is the only solution to separate children from their parents but for how long though?
 
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If the kids are not US citizens yes. But if the children are US citizens, this opens up an entirely different can of worms because it’s technically impossible to deport a US Citizen.
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Parents should still be permitted and encouraged to take their children back to their homeland. Kids need parents.
 
phil19034 said:
If the kids are not US citizens yes. But if the children are US citizens, this opens up an entirely different can of worms because it’s technically impossible to deport a US Citizen.
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No, if the parent/legal guardian hasn’t transferred that responsibility to a citizen, it should be legal to send the kids off with the parents, and preserve their family unit. In other cases the illegal alien parent finds a guardian to take their child.
 
Jump4Joy said:
This is a sticky situation. Is the only solution to separate children from their parents but for how long though?
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I have no idea. For the kids who are not US Citizens, I don’t think the deportation process moves fast enough. And for kids of US Citizens, it’s even worse.

It’s a real ethical dilemma created by people who are breaking the law by entering the US illegally or illegally staying past their expired visa.l
 
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Voting to keep abortion legal is absolutely material cooperation with evil. There is nothing intrinsically evil about enforcing any aspect of US immigration law. Anyone who wants to claim otherwise is undermining the rule of law.
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When the rule of law involves tearing children from the bosom of their lawful parents and turning a deaf ear to their cries, the law is unjust. The judges who furthered their careers by cooperating with the Nazi regime in wartime Germany argued that they were aiding the rule of law, but the laws of that regime were unjust. The rule of law means nothing if the laws rip families asunder.
 
Yeh and who exactly writes party platforms these days? Have they figured out who changed the Ukraine wording in the RP?
 
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