Muslim or Jew?

[aldgh]

Dear Lutheran Dk,

You seem very liberal in abuse in terms of others comments. Perhaps you should concentrate more on your own.

Your own commentary is most contradictory. The very fact you admit,

“Religious zionism is the same, but with the added memento, that the ressurection of the state of Israel is part of God’s unfolding plans.”

Is religious!

I have replied to qmarie73 because many people seem to think that it is only the Arabs (Muslims) that seem to have it in their blood and religion to fight. I am extending this into religion because it seems in many other threads people only see the Arabs indoctrinate their religion. Forgetting that, as people point in the bible, that is in fact in our religion as well.

yours truly

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

… God did promise that Ishmael and his descendants would be against all men.

Please post the verse . If really Bible says so , then I won’t blame Jews anymore to kill 15 kids daily .

 

[hamba2han]

… I feel like I’m casting perls before swine here, but as said: All that’s neccessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Christians who do not have much faith in the teachings of the Bible would not know the difference between ‘good’ and ‘evil’… with particular regard to their virtually unconditional support for the Zionist state against Muslims.

How could any ‘good’ come from one’s own prejudice and pride since it was this same sentiment that got Satan thrown out of Paradise?

Again, I wish to remind Christians here not to take my word for it but to refer instead to the Bible for confirmation of this.

 

[chosen_people]

I suppose you’re referring to the current situation between Israel and its Arab neighbor states?
The answer is: Israel, 100%. Israel is an outpost of civilization, a beacon of light in an area almost completely devoured by darkness, despite its faults (which no society is without, mind you…)

Simon answered, "We have never taken land away from other nations or confiscated anything that belonged to other people. On the contrary, we have simply taken back property that we inherited from our ancestors, land that had been unjustly taken away from us by our enemies at one time or another. 34 We are now only making use of this opportunity to recover our ancestral heritage.

Maccabees 1 15:33-34

True then, true now, true always:thumbsup:

 

[aldgh]

You guys are thieves! you left the land over 2000years ago! Its not the Palestinian’s fault that you were evicted, if you want some land back, take it back from Germany or another Holocaust country; the Palestinians had done nothing to you.

 

[chosen_people]

You guys are thieves! you left the land over 2000years ago! Its not the Palestinian’s fault that you were evicted, if you want some land back, take it back from Germany or another Holocaust country; the Palestinians had done nothing to you.

You can’t steal what belongs to you

The name Palestine was given to the area by the Roman emperor Hadrian as punishment against the Jews for their uprisings in the year 135 c.e. No other people have ever regarded this area as an independent nation. The Arabs invaders of our country who first arrived a “scant” two thousand years after us and who now call themselves “Palestinians” can’t even pronounce the word Palestine they have no “P” in their language. The Jews have a continuous unbroken relationship with their country for over three thousand years. They prayed and pray in the direction of Jerusalem (not Mecca) celebrate their holidays and their lives, no matter where they are, around their history and connection to this tiny land. There have always been Jews in Israel and there always will be. The first modern census of Jerusalem in 1840 shows a large Jewish plurality. Mark Twain in his book “Innocent’s Abroad” gives a detailed description of a largely desolate and unpopulated land. The Jews were the ones who purchased lands, fought Malaria, planted trees, made the desert bloom. Most of your Arab “Palestinians” wandered in afterward because of the changes to the land, agriculturally and economically, by the Jews. There never was an Arab country of Palestine and the Arabs who came considered themselves Egyptians or part of greater Syria etc. The Jews of Israel also gained their right to be here by force of arms. The were willing to accept a partition plan even though it was totally unfair to them . The Arabs were not willing to accept the UN decision and five Arab states attacked us. We could not possibly have survived and win but with God’s help we did. Jordan and Egypt occupied the areas that were meant to go for the Arab part of Palestine. For some reason until these areas were liberated by Israel in the six day war it didn’t seem to be important to the "Palestinians"to make these areas into an independent Palestinian state. The truth is that Gaza Palestinians have nothing in common with West bank Palestinians, including not having a common history. Just in case your silly enough to buy into Arab propaganda that its all because of the “occupation” and “the settlements” you might want to take into account that the PLO was founded in 1964, three years before the six day war. Finally, since this is a Christian forum, in 1990 when Israel controlled Bethlehem the town was prosperous with 90 per cent of its population made up of Christians. After handing over control to the “Palestinians” in the wake of the Oslo accords (silly us always seeking to make peace) persecution of Christians by the Moslem population has reduced Christians to just 2 per cent of the population.

Now I don’t know what gives a people the right to sovereignty, history, sacrifice, force of arms, majority of population. However in this case we Jews have all of these things and more to support our right to be here and we have more of these factors than any other country in existence on this planet. Those who would raise their voices to deny the Jews their right to live in their land as a free and sovereign nation are raising their voice against themselves.

 

[ChristIsLord]

so i suppose you’re in favor of say the irish reclaiming all ancient celtic lands since they are basically the only celts around today as a nation? france? nope sorry, spain? nope, England? nope it’s all ireland now… claiming land is yours because you may or may not have owned it 2000 years ago simply doesn’t fly in the modern world. everyone seems to understand this except israel.

the fact is islam is rising again in a major way, the us has essentially given all of its power away and will not even be a major player in the world in the next 50 years, we produce nothing, import everything we need to sustain, we’ve been inundated with immigrants who could care less about the country (sound familiar? ehem ancient rome), israel stands little to no chance of existing past the 21st century unless it drastically changes it’s treatment of the native peoples they have isolated to ghettos, bombed, assasinated, and all around tortured for 60 years. you can’t kick people off thier lands who have lived their 800 years and think you’re in the right.

 

[grampben]

so i suppose you’re in favor of say the irish reclaiming all ancient celtic lands since they are basically the only celts around today as a nation? france? nope sorry, spain? nope, England? nope it’s all ireland now… claiming land is yours because you may or may not have owned it 2000 years ago simply doesn’t fly in the modern world. everyone seems to understand this except israel.

the fact is islam is rising again in a major way, the us has essentially given all of its power away and will not even be a major player in the world in the next 50 years, we produce nothing, import everything we need to sustain, we’ve been inundated with immigrants who could care less about the country (sound familiar? ehem ancient rome), israel stands little to no chance of existing past the 21st century unless it drastically changes it’s treatment of the native peoples they have isolated to ghettos, bombed, assasinated, and all around tortured for 60 years. you can’t kick people off thier lands who have lived their 800 years and think you’re in the right.

Ireland is as Celtic as Northern France, Wales, England and Scotland.
What makes you think that ‘as a nation’ we are Celtic? Certainly many are of celtic descent, but many are of Ulster Scots descent, who descended from the anglo saxons and others.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

…Our Savior was a Jew.

if your Saviour was a Jew , should not u & other Chrisitans follow him & become Jew ?

 

[ChristIsLord]

Ireland is as Celtic as Northern France, Wales, England and Scotland.
What makes you think that ‘as a nation’ we are Celtic? Certainly many are of celtic descent, but many are of Ulster Scots descent, who descended from the anglo saxons and others.

that’s the point, the angles and saxons were barbarian invaders, the land was all celtic for thousands of years prior to rome and the barbarian invasions of europe. scottland used to belong to the pics who were celtic, the entire area was celtic not “anglo-saxon” the angles and saxons were germanic in origin and not native to the area, they invaded ~400 A.D… similar to the point i was making about jews laying claim to israel, history from 2,000 years ago means nothing to everyone in the world except jews, if it did then all of western europe should be irelands, since they are the last “celtic nation” (they are a celtic nation, the last one standing, just because there is a smattering of non-celts loyal to britain doesn’t mean it isn’t a celtic nation).

 

[grampben]

that’s the point, the angles and saxons were barbarian invaders, the land was all celtic for thousands of years prior to rome and the barbarian invasions of europe. scottland used to belong to the pics who were celtic, the entire area was celtic not “anglo-saxon” the angles and saxons were germanic in origin and not native to the area, they invaded ~400 A.D… similar to the point i was making about jews laying claim to israel, history from 2,000 years ago means nothing to everyone in the world except jews, if it did then all of western europe should be irelands, since they are the last “celtic nation” (they are a celtic nation, the last one standing, just because there is a smattering of non-celts loyal to britain doesn’t mean it isn’t a celtic nation).

But how IS it a celtic nation?

 

[ChristIsLord]

But how IS it a celtic nation?

simple, the vast majority of the people are of celtic origin, their official language is gallic, they have resisted the anglo-sizing of their land for 800 years no matter how hard england tried through theft, rape, mass murder, starvation, exile etc… just because there’s an alcove in the north who loves thier silly royalty doesn’t mean ireland isn’t celtic. no one in ireland considers loyalists in the north irish, but the actual irish consider themselves a celtic nation, the only one to survive, rome, the barbarians, the british empire, etc…

 

[grampben]

simple, the vast majority of the people are of celtic origin, their official language is gallic, they have resisted the anglo-sizing of their land for 800 years no matter how hard england tried through theft, rape, mass murder, starvation, exile etc… just because there’s an alcove in the north who loves thier silly royalty doesn’t mean ireland isn’t celtic. no one in ireland considers loyalists in the north irish, but the actual irish consider themselves a celtic nation, the only one to survive, rome, the barbarians, the british empire, etc…

How dare you insult people of the North like that, as if they are all royalists. I am a nationalist but still you have no right to refer to my friends and countrymen as ‘silly’ because you think they like royalty.
By what you have said, yes we are a celtic nation. By the way the language is ‘Irish’ not ‘gallic’.
One important thing though, hardly anyone practices celtic religion here

 

[R_not]

This is not a thread to stir up any hatred, but a truth to ask those that what would you do if you could choose to fight on each side? Which would you choose? Would all Christians choose Jews?
Seriously, if we were to go to a full blown war, which side would you be on?

No, not all Christians would chose the Jews - some cannot decipher between good and evil because they have been duped or are ignorant because our news is distorted.

I would chose the Jews/Israeli side, or the Hindu side, or the Buddhist side. Because all of these people are being attacked by muslims. Even the communists are being attacked - but I am not going to say what side I would be on in that case - I would have to really sit down and think about it some. Since both are a ‘either you are with me or you are against me’ (fascism) and want our destruction. Neither Chrstian or Jews fair well under these regimes.

And this is the reason why - muslims are told to fight non-muslims until islam, or at least sharia law, is established worldwide. So, we would only be their ‘useful Idiots’ until they didn’t need us anymore.

If they got their wish and established sharia laws - that means non-muslims are subjugated to them and there are no freedoms except to keep a building that already existed to practice one’s religion. And that is iffy at best too since we have seen what is happening to Christians in the middle east, and elsewhere, today. They are being persecuted.

Persecution of Christians worldwide

christians in Middle East

And if one is ‘not of the book’ they have only two options - death or conversion - when they are not useful to them anymore.

Read the koran, read about history.

• Only Islam Acceptable-> 3:85
• No friends from outsiders-> 3:118
• No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51
• No friends with non believers->4:114 3:28
• No friends with parents/siblings if not believers-> 9:23
• Fight non-believers-> 9:123
• Kill non-believers-> 4:89
• Anti Jew verses-> 5:82; 5:51 (there are 14 of them)
• Forcing Christians and Jews to pay tax-> 9:29
• Cast terror in the hearts, smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers-> 8:12
• smite the neck of unbelievers->47:4
• Severe Punishment for atheists-> 10:4 5:10 5:86
• Severe Punishment for non-believers-> 22:19-22 72:23 98:6
• Punishment for apostates-> 16:106 3:86-88 3:90 4:137
• Threat of punishment for not going to war-> 9:38-39 48:16
• God making someone more sinful so he can be punished more-> 3:178
• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Qur’an-> 17:45-76
• killing Christians: 2:190-193, 2:216-217, 2:244-245, 4:74-77, 4:95-96, 5:51, 5:72-73, 8:12-15, 8:37-39, 9:5,
  9:41, 9:73, 9:123, 22:38-39, 25:52, 47:4, 48:29, 60:4, 61:9-11, 66:9

 

[R_not]

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Salaam/peace

if your Saviour was a Jew , should not u & other Chrisitans follow him & become Jew ?

Why don’t you crack open a Bible and read it? No muslim has proven the Bible was corrupted - only an illiterate pagan says that stuff and he never read the Bible. So, dare to open a Bible and see what it says. Christ’s message was for everyone, not just the Jews.

His message is for you too. Who knows - your ancestors might have been a Jew who was either enslaved or forced to convert - or a Christian, or one of another religion who was either enslaved or forced to convert. I don’t know where you live but I thought someone said you were not in the USA. Most muslims that are there now (in the middle east) had a beginning lineage of a Jew or Christian, or one of many pagan religions of the past. Their lives were so unbearable that they were forced to convert. That is what sharia law brings to non-muslims - unbearable misery so they convert and then condemn their children, and future generations, to islam.

 

[ChristIsLord]

How dare you insult people of the North like that, as if they are all royalists. I am a nationalist but still you have no right to refer to my friends and countrymen as ‘silly’ because you think they like royalty.
By what you have said, yes we are a celtic nation. By the way the language is ‘Irish’ not ‘gallic’.
One important thing though, hardly anyone practices celtic religion here

oh i could refer to them as a lot worse than silly i assure you, (not to mention i called the royalty silly) but i will bite my tongue and get off that subject…

hardly anyone practices catholicism or christianity for that matter in ireland either… which is the best news in a long time for that country, they’re finnally shaking off the shackles of an oppressive, supremicist arrogant neighbor, an oppressive church that has traumatized their children through rapes and other attrocities while keeping them poor and illiterate, and causing countless wars and problems for the irish people.

now they’re getting back to their roots and now boast one of the best economies in europe and one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world, church attendance is down like 50% in the last 20 years alone!!! who knows what the next 20 will bring for ireland? hopefully nothing but good things…

 

[greystoke]

This is not a thread to stir up any hatred, but a truth to ask those that what would you do if you could choose to fight on each side? Which would you choose? Would all Christians choose Jews?
Seriously, if we were to go to a full blown war, which side would you be on?

I happen to think that the " Two Witnesses" referred to in Revelation are in fact Christianity and Judaism.

Islam is not strictly a religion, but a conquering political system like Communism or Nazism. It does claim to be a “religion of peace”. But that is taqiyya and kitmat, ie lying and concealing ones true intentions so that all will submit to Islam when it gains the upper hand.

All of us in Dar al-Harb, the “house of war” or “territory of war”, are scheduled for conversion, enslavement or termination. Israel is doing a lot of bad things for sure. So did the Allies during WWII. I am still really glad that Hitler and Imperial Japan didn’t win. Israel is the present front line of the 1400 year war started by Mahommad.

Fighting in built up areas(FIBUA) always involves the death of the innocent, especially when the fighters on one side launch attacks from right in front of, or from inside, schools, hospitals, UN buildings etc. Every innocent civilian killed is a joy to the jihadists.

I would have to say that all war is immoral and hateful. It is murder on a vast scale. But sometimes the alternatives, subjugation, slavery, extermination, are even harder to face.

With a heavy heart, I would have to say Israel, because I am mindful of the slogan:

First the Saturday People, then the Sunday People.

If/when Israel goes under, we are next.

greystoke

 

[ChristIsLord]

soundbites good one… you’ve figured this all out from one paragraph huh?

my father would puke if he heard you say that with a straight face… you knownothing of me, nor of where i’m from, or where i’ve been, or who i’ve been affiliated with, so please do not bring this discussion to a place you do not want it to go.

 

[grampben]

Thank you!

 

[ChristIsLord]

i both lived there, went to college there for a year. married a girl from there (whose entire family still lives there), spend at least a month there a year, have cousins there etc… i don’t have to explain myself to you, i’ll comment how i see fit, at least i am making points pertaining to the topic rather than simply being arguing and starting nonsense. and since when do you ahve to live somewhere to comment on it? isn’t this entire topic about people commenting between palestinians, muslims, israel etc… yet basically no one lives there… and people from europe seem to have an endless supply of ridicule about the US and their affairs, you wouldn’t be being a hypocrite now would you? i know if i searched your posts i wouldn’t find anything about the us now would i?