My neice is playing online games with occult themes?

[Lost_Wanderer]

I’m stuck trying to get the Lady Luck Dressphere. Math-based minigames = fail, and I was also locked out of the best ending because I’m trying not to play with a guide. (It’s my self-imposed challenge: Play every game I buy for as long as I can without looking anything up.)

Normally I do that to but I started to give up when it came to a lot of Final Fantasy games. Complicated and delicate, THAT.

tosses you one I always hoard healing items. I read a recent article on Cracked.com that says that this tendency to hoard can actually help with retirement savings. (Imagine every paycheck is a Megalixer/Full Restore, whatever, and retirement is a really tough boss.)

LOL! I know rite? From my experience, it’s a bit unrefined when it translates to reality. I tend to hoard things of lesser importance. It has been affecting how I’ve been treating my salary lately though. XD

However, it’s a real life-saver in a lot of RPGs I’ve played. I do my very best not to consume more than I can recover.

The result is I have a large stash of healing items that now self-perpetuates with little to no restocking!! XD I remember playing this PSP game called Monster Hunter and you wouldn’t believe how I ended up as one of the only few players who had a large stash of potions. I actually started ‘paying’ with them (that or ingredients for them). I felt like an apothecary.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Then again, nothing about a polite and apologetic concession is going to kill you y’know.

Is that all it will take to get you to switch off of that annoying mode?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Jesus said that we will do the miracles he did and greater things than him. Also did you know that Jesus gave up all his heavenly powers while on earth and so when he walked on water it was as a man not as God? I know I am not Jesus but I know that what he did through the holy spirit we can all do cause that is what he said himself. He is not my genie but i can do all things through Christ who strengthens me

Irrelevant. And no, I think you’re in danger of making a serious theological misinterpretation if you think Jesus walked on water ‘as a man’. I suggest you read this thread.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=479304

Gave up his heavenly powers? I normally don’t like sounding paranoid but I’m smelling SDA heresy or something.

well you have some nerve. and why can’t you post your views like normal people without being so offensive and disgusting about it?

And your attacks and skewed misconceptions of fantasy and video games are neither offensive or disgusting to me?

To think you accuse me of naivety.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Is that all it will take to get you to switch off of that annoying mode?

If facts annoy you then that’s not my problem.

Shoot a bolt of lightning indeed.

 

[kinja]

Is that all it will take to get you to switch off of that annoying mode?

That is what I meant by NOISE electric. It may be that tangled up somewhere in all the bravado and pride and a small fragment of what he/she is saying actually makes sense so ignore the personal judgments and attacks or just ignore totally. LW is has not gotten your point apparently…many have tried your approach so don’t feel bad just pray

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

That is what I meant by NOISE electric. It may be that tangled up somewhere in all the bravado and pride and a small fragment of what he/she is saying actually makes sense so ignore the personal judgments and attacks or just ignore totally. LW is has not gotten your point apparently…many have tried your approach so don’t feel bad just pray

Translated: The logic is way over my head. I can’t disprove that symbols have become nothing more than media knick-knacks and can’t say me calling it all ‘occult’ bears significance any more because of that. So in response, all I can do is pat my fanboy in the back, label the hard stuff ‘noise’, and say what all ignorant religious folks do, ‘Pray for the lost soul’.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Well, looks like it’s talk show time.

big sign drops down in front of screen

HELP ME! Wandering Professor!

spotlight shines on LW on stage and quirky music plays

Greetings lost children. <

I’m am the Wandering Professor, planeswalking eccentric and field expert of all the popular fantasy realms you’ve been reading about.

However, I’m apparently not traveling at the moment so I think I’ll take this time to teach all some basic facts about these realms.

Look at this guy. This is what passes for a ‘mage’ in this world.
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

As you can see, the guy’s a joke. I mean, where’s all the mana? Spirits? That’s a shaman, not a mage! Then again, I don’t remember shamans talking to themselves like this so bad. What the heck is up with that stupid hat too? Is that book supposed to start glowing at some point cuz it better be or I’m looking at a copy-cat rip-off.

Anyways, this is what a mage actually is in plenty of the worlds I’ve been.



As you can see, you wouldn’t wanna mess with this guy. He’s got power literally all over him. Visible aura? Check. Enhanced fire powers? Check. Unleashed potential? Yep, that’s about right! Not somebody you’d pick a fight with (I would but that’s a different story right now. )

Well that’s it for the basics. If you have any questions and not just burying your head under the sands of sign-chasing indoctrination, just talk to Loka or Jharek. From what I gather, they’ve had their fair share of dimension hopping too. (I hope you don’t mind me ‘passing the mic’ to you guys. )

 

[kinja]

Translated: The logic is way over my head. I can’t disprove that symbols have become nothing more than media knick-knacks and can’t say me calling it all ‘occult’ bears significance any more because of that. So in response, all I can do is pat my fanboy in the back, label the hard stuff 'noise, and say what all ignorant religious folks do, ‘Pray for the lost soul’.

ElectricBlue is saying that you are being rude and disrespectful and you owe people in the forum an apology. Does that sound familiar? That’s the point so stop trying to deflect it and turn this around on me or anyone else. Just be grown about it.

P.S. if the speculative views in addition to the outright rubbish you’ve been posting you call “logic” and “hard stuff” then your schooling has failed miserably me thinks.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

ElectricBlue is saying that you are being rude and disrespectful and you owe people in the forum an apology. Does that sound familiar? That’s the point so stop trying to deflect it and turn this around on me or anyone else. Just be grown about it.

I’m sorry, words like yours tend to become blurry with hypocrisy. Perhaps if you actually followed your own advice and stopped making side-ways attacks that you then can’t back up when someone takes you up on them.

What’s the matter if I try to ‘deflect’ this on you hmm? I can’t say I call it deflecting since I’ve been calling on you for your intellectual dishonesty on this subject ever since you keep coming back with the same recycled, sign-chasing nonsense.

Over and over again, I’ve countered with the same logic. But in the end, all the best you’ve done is sneak the last repeated word in before a thread is closed.

P.S. if the speculative views in addition to the outright rubbish you’ve been posting you call “logic” and “hard stuff” then your schooling has failed miserably me thinks.

I actually presented all my arguments into that tiny paragraph, squeezed for someone like you to understand. Yet still, you do not want to answer because you don’t have an answer. You’re wrong. You know it. But instead of eating your humble pie, you continue to deceive and dupe people into thinking that you’re the victim here. That is what has got to stop. I have crushed your arguments. You have nothing left to stand on. Your fort is overrun.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

What’s possibly more ironic is that my health is likely to be compromised from losing sleep arguing with the likes him all the time compared to anything fantasy-related. With that said, I’m turning in with the simplest list I can think of to prove how his arguments fail.

1. Origin of symbols, myths, folklores
   Irrelevant in the hands of artistic liberty.
2. Context and ‘traditionally’ recognizable ‘arrangements/structures’ of such symbols/folklore/myths
   Again, also irrelevant in the hands of artistic liberty. Contexts can be easily molded and can go beyond that which the sign-chasers have perceived to be the ‘context’ at the very least.
3. Lack of understanding of symbols, ignorance, and other laughable euphemisms for desensitization
   Not only irrelevant, but it insults the intelligence and skews that which was really simple into needless complexity. Creators who use these symbols willy-nilly just do that. They pick and choose like a painter picks and chooses his/her colors with nothing but the goal of aesthetic enticement in mind. Forget subliminal imagery. Forget ulterior intention. That’s all there really is.

 

[kinja]

What’s possibly more ironic is that my health is likely to be compromised from losing sleep arguing with the likes him all the time compared to anything fantasy-related. With that said, I’m turning in with the simplest list I can think of to prove how his arguments fail.

1. Origin of symbols, myths, folklores
   Irrelevant in the hands of artistic liberty.
2. Context and ‘traditionally’ recognizable ‘arrangements/structures’ of such symbols/folklore/myths
   Again, also irrelevant in the hands of artistic liberty. Contexts can be easily molded and can go beyond that which the sign-chasers have perceived to be the ‘context’ at the very least.
3. Lack of understanding of symbols, ignorance, and other laughable euphemisms for desensitization
   Not only irrelevant, but it insults the intelligence and skews that which was really simple into needless complexity. Creators who use these symbols willy-nilly just do that. They pick and choose like a painter picks and chooses his/her colors with nothing but the goal of aesthetic enticement in mind. Forget subliminal imagery. Forget ulterior intention. That’s all there really is.

1. Very much relevent with and without artistic liberty. Catholics have every right to be offended by Da vinci code and the last passion of jesus christ just as much as Muslims do at the caricature of Mohammed done by the european comic artist. Art is based in reality whether you chose to admit it or not.
2. Same response as 1
3. You do not know if the reasons for using any imagery is purely aethetic or not but you state it like it is the only possible reason. That is very subjective if you cannot even acknowledge the possibility that some artists may use occult imagery in their art because it is part of their belief system much like Christians do.
4. It concerns me that anyone would lose sleep being so obsessed with defending their hobby in a forum like it was some kind of religious belief instead of getting sleep.

 

[kinja]

Translated: The logic is way over my head. I can’t disprove that symbols have become nothing more than media knick-knacks and can’t say me calling it all ‘occult’ bears significance any more because of that. So in response, all I can do is pat my fanboy in the back, label the hard stuff ‘noise’, and say what all ignorant religious folks do, ‘Pray for the lost soul’.

I haven’t got any fanboys/fangirls that I am aware of but you seem to want to use mind games on anyone who agrees with me by labelling them with some unflattering or derogatory handle while your very own fanboy stays very silent only to speak in defense of one of your many unproven and speculative (just as the rest of ours) points.

I don’t have fanboys but there are usually alot of people who either agree with me or just disagree with you when these topics come up and if they are my fanboys then I probably should start a fanclub. Just goes to show that alot of people are aware of the presence of the occult in media today more than ever and they don’t want to sit quietly and just accept it without asking some questions as much as that seems to annoy you.

Again LOL@hard stuff…puhlease. If that’s hard I don’t wanna read your soft stuff honestly.

 

[kinja]

Hey hit the brake I called no names. But if you want ignore away by all means. I was just telling Lost that I find it interesting that he is referring to another poster as my fanboy without any evidence to support his claims while the same could be said about him.

 

[ZhaneAugustine]

Okay this is so going to sound as a rant. And I apoligize.

But this has gotten out of hand…

Now BOTH sides have made very valid points. We should BE cautious about fantasy games and such… but that’s the KEY word. CAUTIOUS. NOT OVER CAUTIOUS.
There is NO sin in playing these games… there is NO sin in using magic or conjuiring something TO HELP you IN A FANTASY/GAME setting. Or reading about it. So LONG as you realize that it is FANTASY. So LONG as you acknowledge that trying to do such a thing is going to get you LAUGHED at scientifically at best… AND ATTRACTING some DARK ANGELS’ attention at the worst.

I kind of gotten the impression by some of those here on this thread AND in other threads like this who aruge against Fantasy or for us to OVER CAUTION as Catholics of the thread of The Only True Pope is last to reign is Piux XII folder. If that is your stick, so be it.

I will also say there are a phew of you who have been given such a piece of info that you ignored it. For example, when I said about the Rosary not EXCLUSIVE as barb claimed it was, she didn’t respond to that. NOW I APPREICATE the end of it IF it would have just divolved into name calling, and I also realize she hasn’t clicked on the thread again to respond to me. Thats okay to… no one can ALWAYS be online at every moment. But in other threads I’ve seen this from others too. You give a challenge, give a link or two, and its ignored. NOW I didn’t give a link to what I said, but the FACTS were that others DID use the Rosary, not just Catholics.

Okay, just one of TWO rants, I suppose.

I shall continue to believe the pope is Benedict. AND I continue my believe its OKAY to read and play fantasy games, so long as I’m not inclined to try magic myself.

But HERE COMES THE MAJORITY PART OF MY RANT. What began as an interesting debate on this issue has really degenerated more or less to a name calling, eye rolling phenomon. Come on guys, we’re ALL grown ups here. OR SHOULD BE ANYWAY. Let’s let the name calling stop.

And in all fairness I’ve seen it on both sides of the argument as this has gone on.

Not mad at anyone, but if we’re going to discus stuff like this, lets sit down and discuss it, not use school yard shenanigans.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

1. Very much relevent with and without artistic liberty. Catholics have every right to be offended by Da vinci code and the last passion of jesus christ just as much as Muslims do at the caricature of Mohammed done by the european comic artist. Art is based in reality whether you chose to admit it or not.

LOL!!! Setting aside the fact that you once again recite the Da Vinci code as your example, I doubt you’re even going to read how it actually proves my point. Do you really think the Church in Dan Brown’s laughable fiction is comparable to our reality?

It doesn’t matter if it’s offensive. The fact of the matter is, it’s reality remade into a new fictionalized image. I don’t care if you found it offensive. You’re making appeals to emotion (again). The ‘Church’ in Dan Brown’s tripe is no more real than the caricatures of Mohammed.

1. You do not know if the reasons for using any imagery is purely aethetic or not but you state it like it is the only possible reason. That is very subjective if you cannot even acknowledge the possibility that some artists may use occult imagery in their art because it is part of their belief system much like Christians do.

This does not concern myself with just how I view imagery but how mainstream population reviews the imagery. It’s the same population which YOU brush as desensitized with so much religious fervor. Again: Author intent. Origin. Interpretation. Context. These mean nothing in the presence of a world population that digests and re-interprets these images at its own chaotic whims.

1. It concerns me that anyone would lose sleep being so obsessed with defending their hobby in a forum like it was some kind of religious belief instead of getting sleep.

Which hobby are you talking about? Fantasy is a genre of which I will dedicate my writing career. As a result, I find a lot of folks who share the same goals and they have quite a few things to say against religion because of fear-mongers like you.

The fact that people like you take some twisted pleasure into pitting my religion against is what sickens me. The fact that people like you are so hell bent into getting other Catholics into reading the devil in everything what we write is what I lose sleep over.

It’s hardly about my hobby (whichever you’re referring to as a lot of my hobbies fall under the fantasy banner). It’s about how you’re distorting the image of the Church on the subject. Nice try making me look like an obsessed nerd but given your past posts on what you prefer on what I should dedicate myself to, I think you’re projecting yourself again.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I haven’t got any fanboys/fangirls that I am aware of but you seem to want to use mind games on anyone who agrees with me by labelling them with some unflattering or derogatory handle while your very own fanboy stays very silent only to speak in defense of one of your many unproven and speculative (just as the rest of ours) points.

If you’re referring to Jharek, spare me. He’s not only been on these forums longer, but I’ve seen his posts on these subjects. If anything, I’ve learned a lot from him.

What you and ElectricBlue have been doing is nothing short of sidewards-stabbing and back-patting because your parroting each other isn’t effective. Your buddy hasn’t said anything but the same religious-emotional appeals I’ve had over and over again on these threads.

Just goes to show that alot of people are aware of the presence of the occult in media today more than ever and they don’t want to sit quietly and just accept it without asking some questions as much as that seems to annoy you.

Again LOL@hard stuff…puhlease. If that’s hard I don’t wanna read your soft stuff honestly.

There’s a difference between asking questions and asking them for the sake of paranoia and wanting attention. You’re the latter and you know it. I find it glaring that you choose to laugh and claim it’s hard but have yet to present yourself as anything less than an obsessed sign-chaser.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Not mad at anyone, but if we’re going to discus stuff like this, lets sit down and discuss it, not use school yard shenanigans.

Hard to keep a discussion like this mature when the subject attracts folks who like to engage in stabbing people from the side and painting certain groups (along with the whole of the human population) with a broad brush.

 

[ZhaneAugustine]

Hard to keep a discussion like this mature when the subject attracts folks who like to engage in stabbing people from the side and painting certain groups (along with the whole of the human population) with a broad brush.

That is understanable.
Of course there are things I agree with kinja and the others. I don’t trust the Masonic leadership either, and I do believe in Caution. Because as Catholics we do understand Satan would love to get a soul trapped in the fantasy realm whose become obsessed with it.

BUT to Kinja and the others AGAIN I stress the threat of OVER CAUTION. Because over caution will breed the fear the devil into everything. And with that fear brings superstition.

Years ago I met a good friend on the Net who was into Voodun or Voodoo. She’d been raised by a gorilla Mexican group, whose father was very abusive. She saw compassion and forgiveness, things that are Christian, as weakness for it would get you killed.
Evie and I grew closer and became good friends. She never accepted Christianity, as the harship she oversaw made her believe that it was lead by a harsh goddess. It didn’t make sense for her to see the harshness and see a good, Loving God.
She also had AIDS. A traffic accident where she was in a car with her sister, and her sister’s friends gave her that, as the guy next to her was injured along with her, and his blood got into her open wounds.
She distrusted priests because one saw Voodoo as witchcraft, and had nothing to do with her while they were in Mexico. He called her Witch and the devil’s child. HIS broadstroking it was so great it became superstition. He saw her as the enemy and everythign she did was the work of the enemy.

Harsh and bitter, when she and her sister and brother escapped into America and then Canada, she still lived the hard life. She called hits on fellow gangers, One time she had called a hit on a girl she was certain that was cheating on her cousin. Because in the site I considered both of them, Evie and the other girl as sisters, I got down on bent knee, letting her know I was, and begged her to call it off. she threatened me at first, if I interfered, but I was only silent.

Eventually she did call off the hit. Which of course now meant she was the hit, for being ‘weak’. Eventually she died of the AIDS and I fear the stress of being hunted by the man who decided to kill her for calling off the hit.

Her sister thanked me for being so kind to her. “She loved you, you know.” and “You were more a brother to her, then I was a sister. You made her smile and laugh, which is what she needed.”

A few years ago, I prayed to St. Theresea to grant me a sign, to know where Evie went. Yellow if in Purgatory. White if in Heaven. On the final day, thinking nothing much more about the prayer… I saw my sister had bought the DVD of Disney’s Enchanted. My heart leapt as I saw the color of flowers I had asked for.

Imagine if you will if I had treated her as that priest had. Voodoo is evil (and yes it can be. Especially the darker side). It attracts the devil (again I so can). Therefore, have nothing to do with the person. ESPECIALLY IF THEY WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST.

Had I been like that. Had I saw all those of Voodoo as witches and satan’s children, and stayed from the fantasy rpg stories we did together, then poor Evie might not be where she is today. She might be in a far worse place.

SOMETHING FOR YOU ANTI FANTASY FOLKS TO THINK ABOUT.

 

[kinja]

That is understanable.
Of course there are things I agree with kinja and the others. I don’t trust the Masonic leadership either, and I do believe in Caution. Because as Catholics we do understand Satan would love to get a soul trapped in the fantasy realm whose become obsessed with it.

BUT to Kinja and the others AGAIN I stress the threat of OVER CAUTION. Because over caution will breed the fear the devil into everything. And with that fear brings superstition.

Years ago I met a good friend on the Net who was into Voodun or Voodoo. She’d been raised by a gorilla Mexican group, whose father was very abusive. She saw compassion and forgiveness, things that are Christian, as weakness for it would get you killed.
Evie and I grew closer and became good friends. She never accepted Christianity, as the harship she oversaw made her believe that it was lead by a harsh goddess. It didn’t make sense for her to see the harshness and see a good, Loving God.
She also had AIDS. A traffic accident where she was in a car with her sister, and her sister’s friends gave her that, as the guy next to her was injured along with her, and his blood got into her open wounds.
She distrusted priests because one saw Voodoo as witchcraft, and had nothing to do with her while they were in Mexico. He called her Witch and the devil’s child. HIS broadstroking it was so great it became superstition. He saw her as the enemy and everythign she did was the work of the enemy.

Harsh and bitter, when she and her sister and brother escapped into America and then Canada, she still lived the hard life. She called hits on fellow gangers, One time she had called a hit on a girl she was certain that was cheating on her cousin. Because in the site I considered both of them, Evie and the other girl as sisters, I got down on bent knee, letting her know I was, and begged her to call it off. she threatened me at first, if I interfered, but I was only silent.

Eventually she did call off the hit. Which of course now meant she was the hit, for being ‘weak’. Eventually she died of the AIDS and I fear the stress of being hunted by the man who decided to kill her for calling off the hit.

Her sister thanked me for being so kind to her. “She loved you, you know.” and “You were more a brother to her, then I was a sister. You made her smile and laugh, which is what she needed.”

A few years ago, I prayed to St. Theresea to grant me a sign, to know where Evie went. Yellow if in Purgatory. White if in Heaven. On the final day, thinking nothing much more about the prayer… I saw my sister had bought the DVD of Disney’s Enchanted. My heart leapt as I saw the color of flowers I had asked for.

Imagine if you will if I had treated her as that priest had. Voodoo is evil (and yes it can be. Especially the darker side). It attracts the devil (again I so can). Therefore, have nothing to do with the person. ESPECIALLY IF THEY WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST.

Had I been like that. Had I saw all those of Voodoo as witches and satan’s children, and stayed from the fantasy rpg stories we did together, then poor Evie might not be where she is today. She might be in a far worse place.

SOMETHING FOR YOU ANTI FANTASY FOLKS TO THINK ABOUT.

Very inspiring story Zhane. My intention was not to be over cautious or lead anyone in that direction. You are quite right about that but in my frustration with those who seem to think that explaining everything they see in the world away in favour of “there was no malicious intent here” type diatribe and claim to be taking a rational and objective approach, my points have at times had an “anti-fantasy” swing to them.

The truth be told is that I have been a fan of fantasy for many years and still am to a degree. I do not think Harry Potter and certain other literature as well as certain video games are spiritually healthy for children and even adults to a degree still but I have been a fan of the Sword of Shannara and all the books that followed for years. I started reading Shannara that back in 1996 or 1997 I think. Althought I know Terry Brookes got alot of his ideas from Tolkien I still prefer the way Shannara was written.

But I digres. I do believe that specifically occult concepts (not just symbols by themselves) are being presented in the media including video games, books and movies. I cannot speak to the intentions of the makers but this can be a real threat to uninformed Christians and in particular Catholics. I believe that the presence of occult belief and religion is present in alot of today’s media whether adapted or not and without judging the material as bad or sinful in and of itself denying that it’s genesis is blinding oneself in my opinion.

People like Lost Wanderer make the whole thing worst because instead of saying that there are alot of good themes in fantasy and it can be used for good as well as evil however some authors and designers (game) may possibly have their own occult religious intents when they create the material: No, he and others choose, again, to explain it away and dismiss any possibility that someone can use the media to try to “sell” their occult religion.

 

[kinja]

There’s a difference between asking questions and asking them for the sake of paranoia and wanting attention. You’re the latter and you know it.

I know no such thing. So you think you can read my mind now? Who are we playing today Professor Xavier or Illusionist Chris Angel? One may do well to come out of one’s own little fantasy world before one posts.