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[BibleTruth]

Sometimes one must shake the dust of his sandals and move on. You are not here is discuss but to evangelize us Catholic’s. Again, not that it will do any good…… The Catholic Church does not contradict scripture……just your interpretation of our scripture. You just cannot see the forest because that one tree in front of you keeps getting in the way of your view.

God Bless,
Stephen

All the best to you, Stephen.

 

[BibleTruth]

ok brother thank you. Do you, as a community, believe in the same interpretation of the Bible? and how come other Protestants who read the same Bible might not believe in what you believe? how do you know who is right?

It is beautiful to see people reading the Bible and truly devoted Christians, but what is wrong bro? are you or I more jealous about Jesus’ church than Jesus Himself? if the church He founded teaches error, how do we trust the churches started by men ?

My questions are not an attack really…they stem from my sadness over the fact that evey now and then someone in the USA starts a new church that Americans ended up having too many denoms as if Jesus was waiting for these people who do not even agree with each other to correct His Church.

God bless all and have mercy on us.

The Adventist movement started in 1844, just after the 2300 year prophecy in Daniel 8…the same time prophecy that accurately foretold the coming of Christ. There were some errors in their initial calculations, errantly thinking that Jesus would come in 1844, but a review of Scripture showed that was incorrect. We acknowledge that no one knows when Christ will come again, but we know he is coming and believe it’s not too far off.

As far as other churches…I can’t speak for them.

 

[newshadow]

newshadow;3948331:

New Shadow,
This quote you are talking about was not from me… even though your posting was directed at me?

It wasn’t directed at you SDA2RC. Bible Truth, was quoting a line from a book about the Pope as if the Pope said it. It isn’t true. The author of the book said it, but not the Pope. It’s a line that has been tried before on other topics in this forum. Didn’t work then either.

 

[inJESUS]

The Adventist movement started in 1844, just after the 2300 year prophecy in Daniel 8…the same time prophecy that accurately foretold the coming of Christ. There were some errors in their initial calculations, errantly thinking that Jesus would come in 1844, but a review of Scripture showed that was incorrect. We acknowledge that no one knows when Christ will come again, but we know he is coming and believe it’s not too far off.

who made the calculations? the founder of the movement? and who corrected it?

As far as other churches…I can’t speak for them.

 

[BibleTruth]

who made the calculations? the founder of the movement? and who corrected it?

 

[inJESUS]

Ok bro thank you for your response and good luck.

God bless.

 

[BibleTruth]

I have been studying this for about 6 months. My husband is considering joining because he believes the Saturday Sabbath is True. I attend church with him so I can support him and study their claims. There are many former adventist websites that can help with some good arguments. I have all the books by Dale Ratzlaff. He is very helpful, a 4th generation adventist that got out. It is a CULT. The RCC is the Anti-Christ to them. That’s how I came here, to study their claims against the Catholic church. Because of them I may convert to Catholicism. They are really into revisionist history. There are so many websites for ex-adventists, try a google search. Good luck it can be very frustrating!!!
God Bless You-
Gina

Define “cult”.

What you’re calling a cult is a group of folks that turn to one person for their spiritual guidance. I follow the Bible as do most other Seventh-day Adventists.

Just because we have an understanding of the prophecies in the Bible does not qualify us as a cult. If you read your Bible, you’ll see that those who have the spirit of prophecy are in God’s true church. In my own words, those who ignore it are in the opposite of what is of God.

For every ex-Adventist there are probably just as many ex-Catholics. Please don’t act as though once someone is Catholic that they remain that way. In fact, MOST people I know that call themselves Catholic speak negatively of it, never go to mass and don’t really know what they believe.

 

[BibleTruth]

SDA2RC;3949209:

It wasn’t directed at you SDA2RC. Bible Truth, was quoting a line from a book about the Pope as if the Pope said it. It isn’t true. The author of the book said it, but not the Pope. It’s a line that has been tried before on other topics in this forum. Didn’t work then either.

It’s interesting to note that the majority of you swarm on whatever I say that may be erroneous but totally ignore what I present in Scripture.

 

[newshadow]

newshadow;3950407:

It’s interesting to note that the majority of you swarm on whatever I say that may be erroneous but totally ignore what I present in Scripture.

Your scripture quotes are personal interpretations. They’re not something I can respond to with good humor or with a spirit of charity. So I stay away from them.

Others have already shown you where you are wrong, but you ignore them, or find some other random out of context quote that you and your “leaders” have twisted to say what you want it to say.

 

[BibleTruth]

BibleTruth;3950726:

Your scripture quotes are personal interpretations. They’re not something I can respond to with good humor or with a spirit of charity. So I stay away from them.

Others have already shown you where you are wrong, but you ignore them, or find some other random out of context quote that you and your “leaders” have twisted to say what you want it to say.

How can citing a Scripture be an interpretation? It says what it says. You’ve just been conditioned to ignore any that aren’t in line with the Catechism and whatever else you study.

Show me a posting that I haven’t responded to and I’ll address it as best I can.

 

[SDA2RC]

newshadow;3950782:

How can citing a Scripture be an interpretation? It says what it says. You’ve just been conditioned to ignore any that aren’t in line with the Catechism and whatever else you study.

Show me a posting that I haven’t responded to and I’ll address it as best I can.

Bible Truth,
All reading of scripture and anything else requires interpretation. Scripture does not SAY anything… it contains words… that must be interpreted. Much like the constitution. It says what it says, however, the words and their application must be interpreted, this is why we have courts. This is also why God established a CHURCH when he was on earth, not a book.

 

[BibleTruth]

BibleTruth;3950790:

Bible Truth,
All reading of scripture and anything else requires interpretation. Scripture does not SAY anything… it contains words… that must be interpreted. Much like the constitution. It says what it says, however, the words and their application must be interpreted, this is why we have courts. This is also why God established a CHURCH when he was on earth, not a book.

So when the Bible says “Do not steal” does that require interpretation?

 

[SDA2RC]

SDA2RC;3950835:

So when the Bible says “Do not steal” does that require interpretation?

Sure… is excessive forced taxation stealing or a right of the government, is stealing other peoples work (as in the case of EGW) stealing, or is it only bad if the government says so? There is a lot to interpret. You surely can understand that… you seem quite intelligent.

 

[newshadow]

How can citing a Scripture be an interpretation? It says what it says. You’ve just been conditioned to ignore any that aren’t in line with the Catechism and whatever else you study.

Show me a posting that I haven’t responded to and I’ll address it as best I can.

I have not been conditioned to ignore any thing. Especially by the Church. You don’t know me, so I won’t take that personally.

Citing scripture, as if it could weakend the Church, is interpretation. The Church did not collect the books into the Bible that speak against it. So any citing of a passage from it that you think does, is a twisting.

 

[BibleTruth]

BibleTruth;3950876:

Sure… is excessive forced taxation stealing or a right of the government, is stealing other peoples work (as in the case of EGW) stealing, or is it only bad if the government says so? There is a lot to interpret. You surely can understand that… you seem quite intelligent.

This is why we have God’s Moral Law, friend…to show us what sin truly is. Romans 5:20 (NLT): “God’s law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were…”

There’s nothing to interpret here…stealing is stealing and all of the above would be morally wrong. So if the government is unfair to its citizens; if Ellen White plagiarized Uriah Smith; if you take home paper clips, paper or Post-It Notes from work without permission…if it’s true, it’s stealing…period. When you try to go beyond God’s word and rationalize whether or not something is right is when we fall into trouble.

Trust God’s word…it won’t lead you astray if you humble yourself to following it.

 

[BibleTruth]

The Church did not collect the books into the Bible that speak against it.

They would of if they didn’t know the meaning of the prophecies (particularly those that hadn’t been fulfilled yet).

 

[SDA2RC]

They would of if they didn’t know the meaning of the prophecies (particularly those that hadn’t been fulfilled yet).

BibleTruth,
If you hold to SDA Prophetic Beliefs… then… well… your prophetic interpretation has a lot to be desired. Which is why no other religion accepts it.

 

[SDA2RC]

Haha… that is one interpretation! LOL Unfortunately, your interpretation is neither infallible or inspired. So… it is merely one among many.

The Church however as the body of Christ cannot lead us into error. You however can! Therefore, I reject your interpretation and accept that of the Christian Church.

See how easy it is!

SDA2RC;3951119:

This is why we have God’s Moral Law, friend…to show us what sin truly is. Romans 5:20 (NLT): “God’s law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were…”

There’s nothing to interpret here…stealing is stealing and all of the above would be morally wrong. So if the government is unfair to its citizens; if Ellen White plagiarized Uriah Smith; if you take home paper clips, paper or Post-It Notes from work without permission…if it’s true, it’s stealing…period. When you try to go beyond God’s word and rationalize whether or not something is right is when we fall into trouble.

Trust God’s word…it won’t lead you astray if you humble yourself to following it.

 

[BibleTruth]

BibleTruth,
If you hold to SDA Prophetic Beliefs… then… well… your prophetic interpretation has a lot to be desired. Which is why no other religion accepts it.

Please explain.

My comment was in reference to you mentioning the Catholic church putting the Bible together.

 

[BibleTruth]

SDA2RC:
Do you know what “sin” is?

1 John 3:4 (KJV): “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

Romans 6:1-2 (NLT): “Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?”

Does that need to be interpreted?