National Sunday Law

[SDA2RC]

There is just one problem Bible Truth… there is no"Moral Law" and “Ceremonial Law”, there is simply the Law. The terms moral law and ceremonial law do not exist in scripture and are a man made division of the Law that does not exist in Scripture. Likewise, there is no Mosaic Law vs. God’s Law.

The Bible shows that the “law of God” and the “law of Moses” are just different terms for the same law. Further, the law of God included things that have clearly been done away. For example: Nehemiah 8 refers to the “book of the law,” and calls it the book of the “law of Moses” (v1) and the book of the “law of God” (v8,18). God commanded it by Moses (v14), so both the terms Law of God and Law of Moses refer to the same law, not two separate laws like Adventist’s claim. You will never find this distinction that Adventists have created in scripture. Was a man made distinction made with no Biblical support in order to reconcile inconsistencies in Adventist theology and Scripture.

In Luke 2:21-24,39 - The law of Moses (v22) is called the law of the Lord (v23,24,39). This law included a purification rite and animal sacrifices. These were clearly done away (cf. Lev. 12:2-8). Hence, the law of the Lord is the same as the Law of Moses, and it contains things that were done away. Again, in 2 Chron. 31:2-4 the “law of God” included animal sacrifices, new moons, and feast days, which we know were done away.

There is no distinction between the law of God and the Law of Moses. In scripture, it was both God’s law because He originated it, and Moses’ law because he revealed it (Neh. 10:29). This whole attempt at separation is a man-made distinction having no Divine reference in scripture. (Matt. 15:9; 2 John 9-11).

“What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.” Galatians 3:17-18.

The Law had a definite beginning time (430 years after Abraham) and a definite ending time, --When the promised Seed (Christ, vs. 19) came.

I’m free, my brother because God’s Moral Law is perfect.

James 1:19-25 (NLT): Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. Human anger does not produce the righteousness God desires. So get rid of all the filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the word God has planted in your hearts, for it has the power to save your souls. But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.

“Don’t forget” (James 1:25)…“Remember” the Sabbath (Exodus 20:8)…interesting correlation in these two Scriptures.

I don’t feel burdened…I feel blessed to have a day of the week set aside (sanctified and made holy by the Almighty) where I can rest from the toils of this world and direct my focus to the One who created me and gave me life.

 

[SDA2RC]

God didn’t sanctify the first day of the week as holy…Constantine did in reverence to a Sun god.

It’s impossible to “keep” a day holy that never was…in God’s sight anyway.

Bible Truth…

Can you please provide us with a verifiable quote where Constantine Made the first day Holy, in reverence to a Sun God? Also, why were Christians worshiping on Sunday 200 years before Constantine if he is the one who changed it?

 

[SDA2RC]

BibleTruth;3948324:

That quote wasn’t from John Paul II, it was written by the author as commentary.

New Shadow,
This quote you are talking about was not from me… even though your posting was directed at me?

 

[BibleTruth]

BibleTruth…
No… you all kneel down, and worship the elders. What else would you be doing when you all kneel down in front of the Elders. I was Adventist for nearly 30 years.

Many Adventists also kneel down with their Bibles in their hands and pray to them.

What else could have been happening? The whole congregation kneels and faces the Elders. It must be worship!

Elders lead out in the Garden of Prayer if that’s what you’re talking about…but we do not kneel to them. We kneel in reverence to Christ as everyone will one day; it’s just unfortunate that for some it will be too late. The Garden of Prayer is an intercessory prayer on behalf of the entire church but it is strictly a prayer to God. If it’s been taken out of context in the church you went to or you just have a warped sense of what it means, then that also is unfortunate. Before calling anyone up to the altar, they acknowledge it as a prayer to God through the cross of Christ…a chance for us to draw closer to him, together…not everyone participates as some kneel where they are. Just because you’ve chosen to pray to idols, humans and a false sense of what Christ is doesn’t mean we all have.

I pray all day long, personally…sometimes with my Bible and sometimes without…sometimes while driving my car or prayer for a friend over the phone. All of my prayers are to God, through Christ. Who do you pray to?

 

[SDA2RC]

John Paul II in his book Crossing the Threshold of Hope: “The Pope is considered the man on earth who represents the Son of God, who ‘takes the place’ of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity.” I find it difficult to see how a man taking the place of Jesus (along with all the other blasphemous things said by popes in reference to themselves being “God”) that it doesn’t indicate to you an issue of worship. With that said, however, unless I find a concrete quote calling for worship of the pope, I retract my statement.

But while we’re talking about worship of men (mankind…), please let me know where in the Bible it says that Mary was sinless and should intercede on our behalf to God?

Bible Truth,
You spoke of the men laying prostrate in front of the Altar as worshiping the Pope. I question you about that and ask which of them you talked to so that you would have first hand knowledge.

You respond with some quote which has nothing to do with men laying prostrate during the holy Orders Service, and is not part of Catholic Teaching, simple the preface to a book.

Therefore I can only assume that you have not in fact verified your information first hand with these men. And your accusation that they are worshipping anything other than God is False Witness… you have not talked to them and do not know what was going on in their hearts and minds. But this lack of first hand knowledge did not stop you from going onto a public forum and condeming them as idolaters.

I think this is a very sad commentary on the evil tactics that are used by Sabbatarians in order to smear Christians. It appears to me that the law does not matter to you when it does not server your purpose… You have made the Sabbath your God.

 

[BibleTruth]

Bible Truth…

Can you please provide us with a verifiable quote where Constantine Made the first day Holy, in reverence to a Sun God? Also, why were Christians worshiping on Sunday 200 years before Constantine if he is the one who changed it?

Daniel 7:25: “He will defy the Most High and oppress the holy people of the Most High. He will try to change their sacred festivals and laws, and they will be placed under his control for a time, times, and half a time.”

"On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time [A.D. 321].)

Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p. 380, note 1.

Ezekiel 8:16 (NLT): “Then he brought me into the inner courtyard of the Lord’s Temple. At the entrance to the sanctuary, between the entry room and the bronze altar, there were about twenty-five men with their backs to the sanctuary of the Lord. They were facing east, bowing low to the ground, worshiping the sun!”

 

[BibleTruth]

Bible Truth,
You spoke of the men laying prostrate in front of the Altar as worshiping the Pope. I question you about that and ask which of them you talked to so that you would have first hand knowledge.

You respond with some quote which has nothing to do with men laying prostrate during the holy Orders Service, and is not part of Catholic Teaching, simple the preface to a book.

Therefore I can only assume that you have not in fact verified your information first hand with these men. And your accusation that they are worshipping anything other than God is False Witness… you have not talked to them and do not know what was going on in their hearts and minds. But this lack of first hand knowledge did not stop you from going onto a public forum and condeming them as idolaters.

I think this is a very sad commentary on the evil tactics that are used by Sabbatarians in order to smear Christians. It appears to me that the law does not matter to you when it does not server your purpose… You have made the Sabbath your God.

You must not have read where I retracted that statement. With that said however, pope Benedict’s 16-page document in July 2007 saying that Protestants and other non-Catholic believers we’re “wounded” because we don’t acknowledge the primacy of the pope says enough to support my original assertion. Where in the Bible does it say we need a pope to stand between us and God? Why should my salvation come through anything but my faith in Christ and my love for God?

Face it…Catholicism was made up to form a system of bondage that you’ve bought in to. The sign that you’ve bought it is firmly fixed in your “forehead” and your “hand” if you even understand what that last statement means.

Jehovah is my God…the Sabbath is his seal with humanity. I keep the Sabbath because I love God and He set that day apart for devoted time with Him…time that the devil has done his best to take away. Unfortunately for many, he’s been successful. Just keep in mind that not everyone who cries “Lord, Lord…” will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[SDA2RC]

Elders lead out in the Garden of Prayer if that’s what you’re talking about…but we do not kneel to them. We kneel in reverence to Christ as everyone will one day; it’s just unfortunate that for some it will be too late.

Bible Truth…
Why is it that your congregation kneeling towards the elders is doing so in reverence to Christ… However, our priests laying prostrate before God is false worship? The double standard is very telling of your motives!

The Garden of Prayer is an intercessory prayer on behalf of the entire church but it is strictly a prayer to God.

CAn you show me in scripture where any man or group of men can intercede on behalf of the Church. I thought God alone is the mediator betwen God and Man? Kind of funny that you ask us in one post where scripture says that mary can intercede for Mankind. However, then you turn and say that the elders of your church can intercede for your church.

haha…

If it’s been taken out of context in the church you went to or you just have a warped sense of what it means, then that also is unfortunate.

No I know exactly what it was…

Before calling anyone up to the altar, they acknowledge it as a prayer to God through the cross of Christ…a chance for us to draw closer to him, together…not everyone participates as some kneel where they are.

Likewise… those prostrating themselves before God, know before whom they are laying!

Who do you pray to?

I pray to God, Mary, the Saints, and people all around me! I worship only God!

 

[SDA2RC]

BibleTruth,
The quote in Daniel and Ezekiel say nothing of Constantine… and the quote of the Edict of Milan says nothing of making Sunday Holy, or doing it to honor the Sun? In fact the edict only effects to those in the city and simply makes a day of rest.

Again, your claims are unsubstantiated and you have lied to us about what Constantine did. Your quote does not substantiated your accusations.

Daniel 7:25: “He will defy the Most High and oppress the holy people of the Most High. He will try to change their sacred festivals and laws, and they will be placed under his control for a time, times, and half a time.”

"On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time [A.D. 321].)

Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p. 380, note 1.

Ezekiel 8:16 (NLT): “Then he brought me into the inner courtyard of the Lord’s Temple. At the entrance to the sanctuary, between the entry room and the bronze altar, there were about twenty-five men with their backs to the sanctuary of the Lord. They were facing east, bowing low to the ground, worshiping the sun!”

 

[BibleTruth]

Bible Truth…
Why is it that your congregation kneeling towards the elders is doing so in reverence to Christ… However, our priests laying prostrate before God is false worship? The double standard is very telling of your motives!

CAn you show me in scripture where any man or group of men can intercede on behalf of the Church. I thought God alone is the mediator betwen God and Man? Kind of funny that you ask us in one post where scripture says that mary can intercede for Mankind. However, then you turn and say that the elders of your church can intercede for your church.

haha…

No I know exactly what it was…

Likewise… those prostrating themselves before God, know before whom they are laying!

I pray to God, Mary, the Saints, and people all around me! I worship only God!

Prayer should only be to God…you’re seeing something that you simply want to see and not the true point and intent. Not everyone is facing whoever is praying, but we’re all joined together in prayer to God.

This was Jesus’ instruction on how and who to pray to:

Matthew 6:7-14: "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."

There was never a mention to pray to Mary (“vain repetitions”) or to any other deceased individual. These are pagan practices that the Catholic church adopted to make favor with heathens after Christianity was legalized by Constantine.

I’m not trying to convince you of anything, brother…that’s only the work of the Holy Spirit; I can only present the truth as “it is written”. If you’ve chosen to deny the Holy Spirit, you’ve sealed your own fate.

 

[panoikei]

With all sincerity and love I ask, who have you chosen to follow?

God bless…

Words spoken by a lyar and a biggot. This reminds me of the southern realm way of saying “Bless her heart”…really meaning she’s an idiot. You insincerity is lacking… I have to admit you don’t read well because if you did you’d remember that the scirptures clearly say that they [early Christians] met on the first day of the week. And to state that we worship the pope is just outright blaspheny towards God… If I were Jewish, I rip my shirt…which brings to my attention that you are professing to be Jewish then…and reject all that the earliest Christians practiced. Hmmm. That sounds like heresy to me. So does that make you a heretic. I think that in order to be dubbed a heretic you have to know better… I have to assume with charity that you do not know better and thus forgive you…that is let you off the hook. But you have been clearly warned of the truth now and to run and deny it shows your biggoted stance towards learning the truth…leaning the truth about what Catholics teach you we believe…not some weak minded individual isolating themselves from the Church looking for something to pick at someone, even though it is not true.

I am praying for you…but you probably also believe that God does not hear my prayers… Praying for you and so that God will forgive me in moments like these when I lift up my heart to the Lord begging for forgiveness of how angry I get towards folks like you…ignorant and lacking in wisdom. Try actually reading your bible…I have many times over and the more I read the more I realiized that my Catholic friends were right on many things…so much that when I got hold of the early church fathers and the patristic fathers I realized that I had been so so soooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong. Catholics hold the fullness of truth and the only way to refute it is for folks like you to make up lies or propogate the one’s that are obviously wrong, hateful and very unlearned.

Praying for you and the rest of my family that believes we are now pagans…which is why we havent’ told them we’re Catholic now. We pray for Christ’s Divine mercy to be bestowed upon you in the hour of your death so that you are not held accountable for your sins…and ours.

Pax…speaking of…the scriptures clearly tell you not to scandalize people, as you have done here. It also tells you to seek peace…or have you skipped over that part of scirpture?

 

[BibleTruth]

BibleTruth,
The quote in Daniel and Ezekiel say nothing of Constantine… and the quote of the Edict of Milan says nothing of making Sunday Holy, or doing it to honor the Sun? In fact the edict only effects to those in the city and simply makes a day of rest.

Again, your claims are unsubstantiated and you have lied to us about what Constantine did. Your quote does not substantiated your accusations.

I did not say those texts mentioned Constantine. Do you even STUDY your Bible? Do you realize that discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit or are you just programmed to believe what you’re told?

Read chapters 2 and 7 of Daniel and you’ll see this man that you give so much reverence to (the pope) mentioned and identified hundreds of years before actually stepping onto the scene…his office is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy…something your Catechism doesn’t have the power to do. Through the association with him, the laws were changed as much as possible (which is where Constantine comes in). If you read on to Ezekiel 9 you’ll see the reference to a mark on the forehead and all those who bowed to the sun were destroyed.

Do you think these books of prophecy were just written to fill space? We’re supposed to discern these things and not keep them hidden. For the sake of your salvation and life, please be reasonable and open your heart and mind to the truth.

 

[BibleTruth]

Words spoken by a lyar and a biggot. This reminds me of the southern realm way of saying “Bless her heart”…really meaning she’s an idiot. You insincerity is lacking… I have to admit you don’t read well because if you did you’d remember that the scirptures clearly say that they [early Christians] met on the first day of the week. And to state that we worship the pope is just outright blaspheny towards God… If I were Jewish, I rip my shirt…which brings to my attention that you are professing to be Jewish then…and reject all that the earliest Christians practiced. Hmmm. That sounds like heresy to me. So does that make you a heretic. I think that in order to be dubbed a heretic you have to know better… I have to assume with charity that you do not know better and thus forgive you…that is let you off the hook. But you have been clearly warned of the truth now and to run and deny it shows your biggoted stance towards learning the truth…leaning the truth about what Catholics teach you we believe…not some weak minded individual isolating themselves from the Church looking for something to pick at someone, even though it is not true.

I am praying for you…but you probably also believe that God does not hear my prayers… Praying for you and so that God will forgive me in moments like these when I lift up my heart to the Lord begging for forgiveness of how angry I get towards folks like you…ignorant and lacking in wisdom. Try actually reading your bible…I have many times over and the more I read the more I realiized that my Catholic friends were right on many things…so much that when I got hold of the early church fathers and the patristic fathers I realized that I had been so so soooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong. Catholics hold the fullness of truth and the only way to refute it is for folks like you to make up lies or propogate the one’s that are obviously wrong, hateful and very unlearned.

Praying for you and the rest of my family that believes we are now pagans…which is why we havent’ told them we’re Catholic now. We pray for Christ’s Divine mercy to be bestowed upon you in the hour of your death so that you are not held accountable for your sins…and ours.

Pax…speaking of…the scriptures clearly tell you not to scandalize people, as you have done here. It also tells you to seek peace…or have you skipped over that part of scirpture?

Any anger you harbor indicates a lack of the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:20).

Please give me the scripture that says them gathering on the first day was a sanctified day of worship…or a change of holiness from the seventh day to the first day. In fact, in more than one place Acts speaks about Paul, who established the church as we know it, preaching to Jews AND Gentiles on the Sabbath day.

It’s typical that you isolate the very last thing I wrote, which was indeed sincere (which is I’m sure what you really meant, vs. “insincerity”) and still is, and ignored everything else. It’s unfortunate that you don’t know the Bible well enough to realize what it’s telling us. But, just like Eve believed the first lie of “you shall not surely die”, you’ve seemingly believed the rest of his lies.

If your faith is so right, you shouldn’t be afraid to exclaim it:

Matthew 10:33: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

As a disciple of Christ, I have a burden and commission given to me by Christ to spread the truth to those lost in the darkness which is why I’m choosing to spend time with you here from time to time. But for now…it’s nice out…I’m going to the pool.

 

[Stephen_C]

I did not say those texts mentioned Constantine. Do you even STUDY your Bible? Do you realize that discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit or are you just programmed to believe what you’re told?

Gee, If only I had a penny each time this has been posted on this forum, I would be able to retire. So what makes your “Holy Spirit” guided interpretation better then say when this is posted by Billy evangelical, Fred fundamentalist, Nancy non-denominational, Billy Baptist, Randy reform Baptist, Joe Mormon, Jake JW etc….???

 

[panoikei]

Any anger you harbor indicates a lack of the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:20).

Please give me the scripture that says them gathering on the first day was a sanctified day of worship…or a change of holiness from the seventh day to the first day. In fact, in more than one place Acts speaks about Paul, who established the church as we know it, preaching to Jews AND Gentiles on the Sabbath day.

It’s typical that you isolate the very last thing I wrote, which was indeed sincere (which is I’m sure what you really meant, vs. “insincerity”) and still is, and ignored everything else. It’s unfortunate that you don’t know the Bible well enough to realize what it’s telling us. But, just like Eve believed the first lie of “you shall not surely die”, you’ve seemingly believed the rest of his lies.

If your faith is so right, you shouldn’t be afraid to exclaim it:

Matthew 10:33: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

As a disciple of Christ, I have a burden and commission given to me by Christ to spread the truth to those lost in the darkness which is why I’m choosing to spend time with you here from time to time. But for now…it’s nice out…I’m going to the pool.

Anger is not really in me now…I’m just using words to get you out in the open so that I can get a clear shot…only have once you know… Be vewy vewy quiet… I’m hunt’n wabbits…hahahahahaha. So now that the "name calling is out in clear view and to show that some of us aren’t quite so …ignroant. If you know scripture then why don’t you know how to look it up… Do you not have a concordance? You’re making me do the research for you. How lame. You’re supposed to study to show thyself approved unto God. Where’e did that part go? My old faith tradition taught that unless you were a member of the one true church that Christ founded then you had not hope for salvation. Try living that lie for 17 to 18 years. Prior to that my Traditional father taught me that unless you are Catholic you have no hope of salvation. With that background you could easily assume that I’m not quite so convinced that speaking the truth bluntly is being uncharitable. However, you have made up trash to profess. That is truly being a false prophet…a lyar…a man of no truth. How did the early appostle’s put it…“the truth is not in you”. I got your attention and that is all I cared to do. I don’t have time to waste on real deeply disturbed anti-Catholics that are simply here in all sin to spill their rubbish all over the place. Your words are poison and since Satan is the father of lies…you must be his disciple if you really believe and continue to profess obvious lies as truth. Be gone…with you. You can run but you can not hide. God konws the hearts of every man. I hope your conscience is being formed to the truth. If you blindly allow yourself to believe in false things then you are no better off to be a heretic. Not that I’m calling you a heretic. But that once you open a can of hateful worms those worms will eat you up because you are truly dead inside.

 

[BibleTruth]

Gee, If only I had a penny each time this has been posted on this forum, I would be able to retire. So what makes your “Holy Spirit” guided interpretation better then say when this is posted by Billy evangelical, Fred fundamentalist, Nancy non-denominational, Billy Baptist, Randy reform Baptist, Joe Mormon, Jake JW etc….???

John 16:13 (NLT): “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.”

The truth is that if we love God, we will keep his commandments (John 14:15). If the individuals you mentioned lives have the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22) and obey God’s commandments, then they have the Holy Spirit abiding in them. If not, they’re false teachers or just haven’t humbled themselves to the truth yet.

 

[Stephen_C]

John 16:13 (NLT): “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.”

The truth is that if we love God, we will keep his commandments (John 14:15). If the individuals you mentioned lives have the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22) and obey God’s commandments, then they have the Holy Spirit abiding in them. If not, they’re false teachers or just haven’t humbled themselves to the truth yet.

And they all point to this same passage as you…Again why should we believe you over these others?

 

[BibleTruth]

Anger is not really in me now…I’m just using words to get you out in the open so that I can get a clear shot…only have once you know… Be vewy vewy quiet… I’m hunt’n wabbits…hahahahahaha. So now that the "name calling is out in clear view and to show that some of us aren’t quite so …ignroant. If you know scripture then why don’t you know how to look it up… Do you not have a concordance? You’re making me do the research for you. How lame. You’re supposed to study to show thyself approved unto God. Where’e did that part go? My old faith tradition taught that unless you were a member of the one true church that Christ founded then you had not hope for salvation. Try living that lie for 17 to 18 years. Prior to that my Traditional father taught me that unless you are Catholic you have no hope of salvation. With that background you could easily assume that I’m not quite so convinced that speaking the truth bluntly is being uncharitable. However, you have made up trash to profess. That is truly being a false prophet…a lyar…a man of no truth. How did the early appostle’s put it…“the truth is not in you”. I got your attention and that is all I cared to do. I don’t have time to waste on real deeply disturbed anti-Catholics that are simply here in all sin to spill their rubbish all over the place. Your words are poison and since Satan is the father of lies…you must be his disciple if you really believe and continue to profess obvious lies as truth. Be gone…with you. You can run but you can not hide. God konws the hearts of every man. I hope your conscience is being formed to the truth. If you blindly allow yourself to believe in false things then you are no better off to be a heretic. Not that I’m calling you a heretic. But that once you open a can of hateful worms those worms will eat you up because you are truly dead inside.

I’ll humor you one last time…

Acts 17:2: “And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,”

Acts 13:42: “And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.”

If you’ve read my other posts, you’d perhaps see that I use a concordance because I never studied Greek.

By the way, I can’t find any quote that says: “the truth is not in you”…perhaps you can enlighten me.

What I can find is Acts 18:6: “And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads…”

Also, what you’re calling a lie (that unless you belong to a certain church you can’t have Salvation) is exactly what pope Benedict said a year ago.

I don’t want to insult you…you’re a child of God. But, please do those you support some justice and know at least a little about what you’re talking about.

 

[BibleTruth]

And they all point to this same passage as you…Again why should we believe you over these others?

Do they keep God’s eternal Moral Law that is placed inside the Ark of the Covenant that includes keeping the Sabbath holy? If the answer is “no”, they don’t qualify as being true to God once they’ve been made aware of the truth.

Before you say it’s “Old Testament law”, keep in mind the last time the Ark is mentioned is in Revelation 11:19: “Then, in heaven, the Temple of God was opened and the Ark of his covenant could be seen inside the Temple. Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and roared, and there was an earthquake and a terrible hailstorm.”

It was written by the finger of God and was meant to be obeyed forever…for those of us that truly love him.

 

[BibleTruth]

There is just one problem Bible Truth… there is no"Moral Law" and “Ceremonial Law”, there is simply the Law. The terms moral law and ceremonial law do not exist in scripture and are a man made division of the Law that does not exist in Scripture. Likewise, there is no Mosaic Law vs. God’s Law.

The Bible shows that the “law of God” and the “law of Moses” are just different terms for the same law. Further, the law of God included things that have clearly been done away. For example: Nehemiah 8 refers to the “book of the law,” and calls it the book of the “law of Moses” (v1) and the book of the “law of God” (v8,18). God commanded it by Moses (v14), so both the terms Law of God and Law of Moses refer to the same law, not two separate laws like Adventist’s claim. You will never find this distinction that Adventists have created in scripture. Was a man made distinction made with no Biblical support in order to reconcile inconsistencies in Adventist theology and Scripture.

In Luke 2:21-24,39 - The law of Moses (v22) is called the law of the Lord (v23,24,39). This law included a purification rite and animal sacrifices. These were clearly done away (cf. Lev. 12:2-8). Hence, the law of the Lord is the same as the Law of Moses, and it contains things that were done away. Again, in 2 Chron. 31:2-4 the “law of God” included animal sacrifices, new moons, and feast days, which we know were done away.

There is no distinction between the law of God and the Law of Moses. In scripture, it was both God’s law because He originated it, and Moses’ law because he revealed it (Neh. 10:29). This whole attempt at separation is a man-made distinction having no Divine reference in scripture. (Matt. 15:9; 2 John 9-11).

“What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.” Galatians 3:17-18.

The Law had a definite beginning time (430 years after Abraham) and a definite ending time, --When the promised Seed (Christ, vs. 19) came.

Moses made a clear distinction in Exodus 34:28-29: “And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses’ hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.”

Deuteronomy 4:13: “And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.”

Deuteronomy 10:4: “And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.”

These “ten commandments” did not include and were totally separate from the ceremonial laws in Leviticus that “looked forward to Christ” and were written on paper and kept “outside the Ark”.

If this isn’t the case, please answer why James would write this…

James 1:19-25: “Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the **engrafted **word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”

The Greek word for “engrafted” is “emphytos” and it means: inborn, implanted by nature, implanted by others instruction.

By no means is James suggesting we go back to sacrificing lambs every day.