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Acts 5
St. Paul mentions tradition several times in his epistles, reminding both Timothy and the Thessalonians to stand fast to the traditions he taught them.
Acts 5
Acts 6But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 “While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6 The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.
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And Peter responded to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for such and such a price?” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well.” 10 And immediately she fell at his feet and breathed her last, and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came over the whole church, and over all who heard of these things.
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“So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.”
Acts 8 [Philip here. Interesting that one of the Apostles had to interpret Holy Scripture for this man]So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. 3 “Therefore, brethren, select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task. 4 “But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.” 5 The statement found approval with the whole congregation; and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch. 6 And these they brought before the apostles; and after praying, they laid their hands on them.
Acts 9Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” 30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him
Miracles in the early Church were not simply regarded as Mercy, though they are that. They were regarded as signs of Spritual healing. Peter is recorded here with the authority and power of God, not because he is in and of himself anything, but because of the work that the Lord was establishing in him.Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda. 33 There he found a man named Aeneas, who had been bedridden eight years, for he was paralyzed. 34 Peter said to him, “Aeneas, Jesus Christ heals you; get up and make your bed.” Immediately he got up. 35 And all who lived at Lydda and Sharon saw him, and they turned to the Lord.
36 Now in Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which translated in Greek is called Dorcas); this woman was abounding with deeds of kindness and charity which she continually did. 37 And it happened at that time that she fell sick and died; and when they had washed her body, they laid it in an upper room. 38 Since Lydda was near Joppa, the disciples, having heard that Peter was there, sent two men to him, imploring him, “Do not delay in coming to us.” 39 So Peter arose and went with them. When he arrived, they brought him into the upper room; and all the widows stood beside him, weeping and showing all the tunics and garments that Dorcas used to make while she was with them. 40 But Peter sent them all out and knelt down and prayed, and turning to the body, he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter, she sat up. 41 And he gave her his hand and raised her up; and calling the saints and widows, he presented her alive. 42 It became known all over Joppa, and many believed in the Lord.
Ah, I see your point now. Yes, the Church agrees that there is such a thing as the Mystical Body of Christ, which includes those saved by the waters of Baptism, as I recall.With regards to the “church”, I think my comment was taken out of context. I didn’t mean to suggest there’d be no building, place to fellowship or anything like that. My point is that we’re all a collective body of Christ with elders (“bishops”) as the local leadership…this is how churches were initially established during Paul’s (et al) missionary trips.
^^This is the quote where my misunderstanding of what you were stating originated."Church is not an institutionalized establishment as many are taught to believe but is the collective body of Christ put here to build each other’s faith and spread the Gospel “to all nations”.
Hmm, St. Paul himself talks about the oral tradition. Things outside of Holy Scripture which were to become the Holy Traditions of God: 1Cor.11:1, 1 Thess. 2:13, 2Thess.2:15, 2Tim.2:2.There’s nothing in Scripture pertaining to leadership above that, specifically not of the deification of a man or system…only God in heaven through Christ. Anything else is man-made and hence, a tradition of men.
St. Paul mentions tradition several times in his epistles, reminding both Timothy and the Thessalonians to stand fast to the traditions he taught them.
Galatians 2:9-10: In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, while they continued their work with the Jews. Their only suggestion was that we keep on helping the poor, which I have always been eager to do.
Well, evidence of removing the rock of the papacy is all around us.In Old Testament times, the word was first for the Jews as Christ was to come through their lineage. In reading the Scriptures above, in context with Jesus’ point to Peter about building His church up him (the “rock”), the same concept applies…the message was first for the Jews and then the Gentiles (you and me).
The Lord bless you too! Always nice to have a stimulating conversation…even over the net, lol.God bless you and our search and understanding of truth, my brother.