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mcq72
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I should pray so.
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MarysLurker
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You nailed it. The problem is not that we give Mary too much glory. The problem is that they don’t give Jesus enough glory, which is why they can never get the story straight on who He is (Christology).God is always given a primacy. If our devotions to Mary seem like much, our devotion to Jesus is much greater.
And as mentioned above… there’s also a big, big, big issue with insufficient Pneumatology (as evidenced by the fact that they probably don’t know what that word means). Two Persons of the Most Holy Trinity are getting massively shortchanged of Their glory because of their Mariphobia. That’s why they think it’s completely okay for the whole Church to go into a millennial apostasy. Whether they realize it or not… they deny the Holy Spirit has the power to prevent that. That’s it.
That’s the simplest explanation but the one I hate the most.
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mcq72
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I dont state granma is watching over me, nor over the whole world. I dont state all of God’s good graces towards me go thru my granma, for her righteousness sake.State that grandmom is watching over you and you’re a good grandchild. State that Jesus’s Mom is watching over you and you’re an idolatrous goddess-worshipper.
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MarysLurker
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She’s in heaven. The view from up there is pretty good. Just ask the martyrs and elders in Revelation.I dont state granma is watching over me, nor over the whole world.
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hope
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You do not understand what is meant by through Mary. This is obvious because of this statementI don’t think I can be of any more clarity. The Pope is the leader and has the utmost authority in Catholicism. Multiple Popes have stated Salvation itself is obtained through Mary. This is indeed blasphemy as defined by scripture.
The Pope does not claim that Mary saves us. Jesus did not just appear one day. He chose to come into this world through Mary. Our salvation came through her not from her.If you believe salvation comes through Mary as the Popes stated you do not believe in the doctrine of Christ. Christ said in John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
Salvation comes through Christ, not Mary as Popes have claimed.
We are told in scripture to test all things according to God’s word which is scripture.
Where?
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MarysLurker
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Nobody claims that Mary mediates all graces for Her righteousness’ sake. Jesus is the source of all graces, and without Her there is no Jesus and therefore no graces. (Which, in case everyone has forgotten… is the original topic.)dont state all of God’s good graces towards me go thru my granma, for her righteousness sake.
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MarysLurker
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We are told in scripture to test all things according to God’s word which is scripture.
Good question. Nowhere in the Bible does the Bible ever say that.Where?
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mcq72
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Correct. She is only co savior.The Pope does not claim that Mary saves us.
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hope
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A contract was agreed upon and what was that contract? Marriage.
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MarysLurker
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When you bring someone to Christ, you are a co-redemptor. Duh. You are not equally a redeemer with Christ, but you still had a part to play by His choice.Correct. She is only co savior
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Let’s start here:
Where were the scriptures when Christ walked the earth? What were the scriptures when Christ walked the earth?
How about when Christ asended? Where and what were the scriptures?
Where were the scriptures when Christ walked the earth? What were the scriptures when Christ walked the earth?
How about when Christ asended? Where and what were the scriptures?
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hope
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Shame on you. No where in Catholicism is she equated as co-redeemer.
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mcq72
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Perhaps, perhaps not, and perhaps not yet.She’s in heaven. The view from up there is pretty good. Just ask the martyrs and elders in Revelatio
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MarysLurker
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Well, if the Bible is all one big maybe, then you get… today’s moral relativism.Perhaps, perhaps not, and perhaps not yet
You’ve proven that the price of getting rid of Mary is a mutable God, a Master-Signifier for whatever cause or belief a person wants to put on.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Co just means with in Latin. She played an important part in Salvation history. Again the prominence goes to Jesus. It isn’t even an official teaching, just an theological idea.Correct. She is only co savior
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hope
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If you believe the Jesus is like us in all things but sin, than you must believe that Jesus would hold her closely just as we hold our own mother’s. Who would not care for their own mother?
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mcq72
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So you think as soon as the ink is dry and dowry exchanged they ( Jewish folk) normally consumate the marriage, have approved conjugal relations ? You continue to bring in western paradigms that just dont fit middle east culture.A contract was agreed upon and what was that contract? Marriage.
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MarysLurker
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None of these events are in the Bible.So you think as soon as the ink is dry and dowry exchanged they normally consumate the marriage, have approved conjugal relations ?
Neither western paradigms nor mid-east culture are in the Bible.You continue yo bring in western paradigms that just dont fit middle east culture.
Catholic tradition bad. Protestant tradition good!
I hate double standards…
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hope
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Shame on you again. reread my post about marriage.
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VanitasVanitatum
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The Bible doesn’t say Mary sinned or consummated her marriage with Joseph so this should be easy enough.
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