Non- Catholic Christians: can you lose your salvation?

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Augustine, my patron saint, is the wild card. I’ve read some of his work. He had some interesting views, some evolving views. So much of what he said is reflected upon in western Christendom; either directly or indirectly through Calvin and others.

Once elect always elect is actually the position of the Catholic Church. We just don’t know who those folks are. We also don’t presume that even the worst of sinners such as Adolf Hitler is in hell. Election is a mystery just like the Holy Trinity, the Eucharist, etc.
 
I think I am fairly well informed, thanks. Now back to the topic.

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The true christian is one who commits sin and loses temporary fellowship with God. But he will eventually come back to God in repentance.

Yes, welcome to the Catholic Church. He or she loses fellowship with God. And if he/she does not repent before death then he/she is damned.
 
Origen is a controversial figure. If you take an allegorical view of the scriptures, you can come up with some pretty outlandish conclusions.

There is some truth, I think, to the new agers view of life is a classroom. It is, in a sense.

Thanks for the response.
 
Benny12 said:
The true christian is one who commits sin and loses temporary fellowship with God. But he will eventually come back to God in repentance.
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Can the “true Christian” commit mortal sin and die before they come back to God in repentance? Sure, he or she can.

Can we pray for the dead? Sure, we can.

Can the dead pray for us? Sure, they can.
 
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Yes. But, who are the elect? God only knows. The elect are certainly not the same as the visible Church.
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Agree 100%. The visible body that meets together is made up of both the elect and the non-elect. The elect are those who know Christ and the Power of His resurrection. The non-elect are those who, for whatever reason, take part in the church but are not “true believers” or “the elect”.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
Once elect always elect is actually the position of the Catholic Church.
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Once again we are using different terminology which causes confusion.

I think when a Catholic hears the term “Once saved always saved” what they interpret it to mean is “once baptized always saved”, or “once confirmed always saved”.

When my American Evangelical ears hear “once saved always saved” what I hear is “once Elect always Elect.” or Once a “True Believer always a True Believer”. With the understanding that true believers is another term for the elect.
 
lanman87 said:
When my American Evangelical ears hear “once saved always saved” what I hear is “once Elect always Elect.” or Once a “True Believer always a True Believer”. With the understanding that true believers is another term for the elect.
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From the Westminster Confession:

“I. They, whom God hath accepted in His Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified by His Spirit, can neither totally, nor finally, fall away from the state of grace: but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.”
 
TULIPed said:
From the Westminster Confession:

“I. They, whom God hath accepted in His Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified by His Spirit, can neither totally, nor finally, fall away from the state of grace: but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.”
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Thank you. From my reading of Augustine. That is pretty much what he taught. It is not everyone who has been baptized will persevere to the end, or all who said a “sinners prayer” or all who give to the church or all who are preachers or pastors… but all whom God has accepted, called, and sanctified (the elect).
 
The same way you responded when you initially accepted Jesus into your heart as your personal Lord and Savior.

God didn’t force you right? Didn’t send strong men into your home to twist your arm? Just like he does not force us to stay in a state of grace.
 
If your wife cheats…and just keeps cheating after you have forgiven her 5,000 times, you will eventually give up.

There comes a point where people sin and harden their hearts so much that they can no longer be reached. They fall from grace. This is what is talked about in Hebrews 6. It’s also discussed in Romans 1:28. God will eventually hand people over to a reprobate mind to continue to live in filth and disorder until judgment day.
 
His mercy is great…

But, I think the scriptures are clear… if a person hardens their heart to a certain point, that’s it.
 
TASTED the heavenly gift…not looked at

Take your Calvin goggles off!
 
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Oh, so they have received the Spirit ‘temporarily’ lol.

Look, my purpose is not to convince Calvinists they are wrong. Believe the plain English in front of you is not saying what it is saying if you want to 🤣
 
I won’t try and guess his spiritual state, the ebb and flow during Jesus ministry. We have scant details about him. Jesus said he was a devil, so it’s possible he was always a devil and not a true believer.
 
Does the Holy Spirit belong ONLY to Benny…or does he SHARE it with others? You have to first receive in order to share.

And again, we do not have hardly any details about what Judas did or didnt do. So you are drawing conclusions that are unproven. And no I did not say that. re-read. I basically said it was possible.

Class back in session.
 
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Something has to first be received in order to share it …

Can you share your entire bank account with me, Benny?

Class dismissed.
 
After you give me your bank account and 401k. So we can talk about sharing and receiving and what it means 🤣
 
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