Northern Ireland's IRA activity

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(Joshua):
Yep it’s not so bad here now, children get born, people get married, people are buried, and people get on with life, what else can we do ?
And your more than welcome, I like Derry City myself, I’ve been to Belfast numerous times, in good and bad.

Nothing is ever as it seems, Northern Ireland is a relative safe place, and most on this forum and beyond would probably like it.

There was a man from England here a few years ago that had never been to Ireland, well he cried like a baby when he left.

Anyway it’s late here and I’m going to :sleep: Goodnight !
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I’ve never been to Ireland but I Erin has truly blessed me with a husband and children. Her millions of sons and daughters, forced from their homes by unending cruelty, have been her gifts to this country.

Just about a hundred years ago, a man came from Co. Wexford with nothing in his pockets. He had 10 children. One of them married a young widow. They had 4 children. One of them did right by his girlfriend and that mistake he thought he made is his namesake and his pride and joy and my husband and father to my children. Ireland’s loss has truly been my joy.
 
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mlchance:
So whose life was Kathryn Eakin threatening? What about the other eight civilians killed by that bomb? Detonated in a public place when it was sure to kill civilians? Were they are all threatening someone’s life?

How about February 17, 1978, when the IRA detonated an incendiary device against the facade of a Belfast hotel? Twelve civilians died in the resulting fire, including seven women. All of those killed were married, and seven of the twelve had children. Given the placement of the bomb, there can be no doubt that the IRA intended to kill civilians.

How about September 11, 1975, when IRA gunmen burst into what was basically a church-club meeting and opened fire? (Sounds a lot like Islamist terrorists attacking a synagogue, eh?) The IRA killed five men, one of whom was 80-years-old. All of them were civilians, which the IRA surely knew.

How about one of the rare times murderous IRA terrorists actually worked up the gumption to strike a military target? On February 22, 1972, the IRA detonated a bomb outside an officers’ mess, killing one solider (a chaplain) and five civilian women and one civilian man.

Were the civilians killed in this “brave” military strike against a chaplain just acceptable collateral damage?

Check out the definition of “non sequitur.”

– Mark L. Chance.
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Where did they [The IRA] get their funding from Mark?
 
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mlchance:
Here’s the disconnect I keep picking up. Maybe I’m inferring too much. You don’t condone murder, followed immediately by “but.”

But what? There is no justification for murder. Period. A murderer’s motive might make for interesting trivia or good tactical information, but he remains a murderer. Period. End of story. There is no “but” that somehow makes the act of murder less than what it is.
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Ok an anology here to see if you can understand, it’s like saying to someone you have terminal cancer.
But what caused the cancer, something sure did, now if we could find out what caused the cancer, then maybe we could cure it.

Back to muder, if we could find out what caused these people to take up arms and innocent people die, then we would cure murder in this land, like cancer.

So if we don’t get to the root of the problem, then we won’t cure it.

By the way my brother Kevin was diagnosed with cancer 23 years ago, and not given any hope.
He’s still alive & well and kicking, still smoking, drinking, but he’s fine.
Thanks be to God, and thankyou Saint Martha and the (nine Tuesdays) for your intercession.:gopray: :heart:
 
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NightRider:
Joshua,

I cried like a baby when I had to leave Ireland, too! I simply wanted to stay for the remainder of my days, so I must return!
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What parts did you visit, did you get to the bad old north ?
 
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condan:
I’ve never been to Ireland but I Erin has truly blessed me with a husband and children. Her millions of sons and daughters, forced from their homes by unending cruelty, have been her gifts to this country.
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I hope you make it over here someday.
 
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NightRider:
Joshua,

I cried like a baby when I had to leave Ireland, too! I simply wanted to stay for the remainder of my days, so I must return!
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If you like boating, then you would surely like the west, you can sail from Beleek in north west Fermanagh, to Limerick in the south, via the Shannon river off-course.
Being born beside the lake, it’s in my blood.
 
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mlchance:
But what? There is no justification for murder. Period. A murderer’s motive might make for interesting trivia or good tactical information, but he remains a murderer. Period. End of story. There is no “but” that somehow makes the act of murder less than what it is.

– Mark L. Chance.
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The problem with your posts is you only condemn one group, all I hear is IRA,IRA,IRA.
What about the UDR, UDA,UVF,ULSTER RESISTANCE,started by that God fearing man Ian Paisley.
And back in time, the Black & Tans, the B-specials, all there to keep us down, “croppy lie down was the cry”.

If it wasn’t war then the Brits sure threw everything at us bar the kitchen sink.

Heres a case that was in the news just yesterday, victims looking for answers, but still none forthcoming.

The Dublin & Monaghan bombings. http://www.dublinmonaghanbombings.org/image/archive/43Talbot Street http://www.dublinmonaghanbombings.org/image/archive/44Parnell

Lost Lives

17 May 1974 Dublin & Monaghan Bombings
  • Patrick Askin (44) Co. Monaghan
  • Josie Bradley (21) Co. Offaly
  • Marie Butler (21) Co. Waterford
  • Anne Byrne (35) Dublin
  • Thomas Campbell (52) Co. Monaghan
  • Simone Chetrit (30) France
  • Thomas Croarkin (36) Co. Monaghan
  • John Dargle (80) Dublin
  • Concepta Dempsey (65) Co. Louth
  • Colette (20) & Baby Doherty, Dublin
  • Patrick Fay (47), Dublin & Co. Louth
  • Elizabeth Fitzgerald (59) Dublin
  • Breda Bernadette Grace (34) Dublin and Co. Kerry
  • Archie Harper (73) Co. Monaghan
  • Antonio Magliocco, (37) Dublin & Italy
  • May McKenna (55) Co. Tyrone
  • Anne Marren (20) Co. Sligo
  • Anna Massey (21) Dublin
  • Dorothy Morris (57) Dublin
  • John (24), Anna (22), Jacqueline (17 months) & Anne-Marie (5 months) O’Brien, Dublin
  • Christina O’Loughlin (51), Dublin
  • Edward John O’Neill (39), Dublin
  • Baby Martha O’Neill, Dublin, (Stillborn)
  • Marie Phelan (20), Co. Waterford
  • Siobhán Roice (19), Wexford Town
  • Maureen Shields (46), Dublin
  • Jack Travers (28), Monaghan Town
  • Breda Turner (21), Co. Tipperary
  • John Walsh (27), Dublin
  • Peggy White (44), Monaghan Town
  • George Williamson (72), Co. Monaghan
Dublin Bombing - 1st December 1972
  • George Bradshaw, (29) Co. Tipperary
  • Thomas Duffy, (23) Dublin and Co. Mayo
Dublin Bombing - 20th January 1973
  • Thomas Douglas, (21) Stirling, Scotland.
If your going to condemn, at least be fair about it mlchance.
 
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condan:
Why is it that there is no justification for murder committed by the IRA but the UDF, UVF and the British government get no mention whatever.
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See? There’s that “but” again. There is no justification for murder. Period. Too many people seem to want to put qualifiers on murder. Since there is no justification for murder, it is patently obvious to all but the willfully obtuse that any and all murderous activities by the UDF, UVF, and British government are likewise unjustified. Period.
(Joshua):
The problem with your posts is you only condemn one group, all I hear is IRA,IRA,IRA.
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As addressed directly above, quite obviously I’ve not condemned only one group. Thus your accusations of unfairness ring untrue. I’ve admitted no exceptions to “Thou shalt not murder.”

That the IRA keeps getting mentioned in a thread about the IRA, frequented by some who seem to some shade of terrorist apologist, should hardly be news.

By the way, I understand your cancer analogy. In fact, I admitted the usefulness of knowing a murderer murders. To quote me: “A murderer’s motive might make for interesting trivia or good tactical information…”

But we’re both in agreement that, reasons notwithstanding, a murderer remains a murderer.
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FightingFat:
Where did they [The IRA] get their funding from Mark?
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From a variety of sources. From American sympathizers, from criminal activity, from deals with terrorist nations such as Libya, from donations elicted by hunger strikers, from training the terrorists of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), from gunrunning in Florida, et cetera.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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mlchance:
From a variety of sources. From American sympathizers, – Mark L. Chance.
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I think this needs a little addition to be more specific. That would probably be from Irish American sympathizers. There are those that live here that really never left Ireland emotionally. In a way, we have the same thing going with Middle Eastern Americans that send money back there to terrorists. They don’t even always know they are doing it. The people that design the “charity” or some such thing are clever to get money from people.
 
And for all you people on the outside who don’t know what this is all about, it’s Irelands answer to everything.

As a nation we have this wonderful ability to bury our heads in the past, instead of looking to the future we will drag up who died where and how and why and when and on and on and on … ad infinitum

It’s a wonderful Catholic country that will codemn murder, as taught by Christ, but will ignore the directive from Christ to forgive and love your neighbour as yourself. We write songs from Kevin Barry to The Sash Me Father Wore and sing of the glorious days of the past, of heros’ and villians, those we admire and those we condemn, of battles long since past and of greivances going back hundreds of years.

What we don’t do is try to understand who and what is NOW. Many in the North cry, Brits Out!!, Ireland for the Irish yet, when they go down South the complain about the prices, (higher than in the North) they complain about having to pay for any health service (free in the North on the NHS but chargable in the South), they complain about the lack of adequate pensions for aged (a lot lower in the South than the North). These are the reality’s of the world, political sloganing is great for winding up emotions but, it doesn’t feed the kids, it doesn’t put bread on the table and it certainly doesn’t lend itself to peace.

Yes of course we can all remember the days when a man who didn’t own his own home couldn’t vote, when all job applications asked your religion (catholics go home so to speak) when the “B” Specials or the RUC would hassle and give people a hard time, how the gerimandering in Derry ensured a Unionist majority on the local council even though there was a Republican majority in the City, and yes we can all still remember such incidents as Burntolett and the William Craigs of this world. The question is SHOULD WE!!!

The longer the memories go on, the longer the hatred lasts, the deeper the divisions within our society, the harder peace will ever be. as I said in an earlier post the only way forward is to talk and understand, to make all Irish Men and Women IRISH. Not catholic Irish or Protestant Irish or Moslem Irish or Hindu Irish but IRISH IRISH. The day that happens we will no longer have need for the IRA, the UVF, Paisley and his ilk or any of them, we will have a democracy based on the wishes of the IRISH people alone and nobody else.
 
**Amhán Na bhFiann (The Irish national anthem) plays softly in the background as Norwich speaks, closing to thunderous applause from the gathered masses

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Norwich:
And for all you people on the outside who don’t know what this is all about, it’s Irelands answer to everything.

As a nation we have this wonderful ability to bury our heads in the past, instead of looking to the future we will drag up who died where and how and why and when and on and on and on … ad infinitum
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Well if some only want us to hear their part of the story, offcourse wer’e going to balance it.
It’s a wonderful Catholic country that will codemn murder, as taught by Christ, but will ignore the directive from Christ to forgive and love your neighbour as yourself.
What we don’t do is try to understand who and what is NOW. Many in the North cry, Brits Out!!, Ireland for the Irish yet, when they go down South the complain about the prices, (higher than in the North) they complain about having to pay for any health service (free in the North on the NHS but chargable in the South), they complain about the lack of adequate pensions for aged (a lot lower in the South than the North). These are the reality’s of the world, political sloganing is great for winding up emotions but, it doesn’t feed the kids, it doesn’t put bread on the table and it certainly doesn’t lend itself to peace.
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Some things are more expensive in the south, but for the past 10 years I haven’t bought petrol in the north, I drive 12 to the border to fill up.(obviously petrol is cheaper in the south.
Plus this wonderful free health service as you well know has been run into the ground, but in Northern Ireland it’s 10 times worse.
I’m waiting to see an ear specialist,and have been doing so for 4 months, I’m told I could wait 2 years or more while I suffer with ringing in my ears.(some health service)
Yes of course we can all remember the days when a man who didn’t own his own home couldn’t vote, when all job applications asked your religion (catholics go home so to speak) when the “B” Specials or the RUC would hassle and give people a hard time, how the gerimandering in Derry ensured a Unionist majority on the local council even though there was a Republican majority in the City, and yes we can all still remember such incidents as Burntolett and the William Craigs of this world. The question is SHOULD WE!!!
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Maybe I’ll go and get a chip implanted in my brain, so that when someone brings up Northern Ireland, it is programmned to forget.
The longer the memories go on, the longer the hatred lasts, the deeper the divisions within our society, the harder peace will ever be. as I said in an earlier post the only way forward is to talk and understand, to make all Irish Men and Women IRISH. Not catholic Irish or Protestant Irish or Moslem Irish or Hindu Irish but IRISH IRISH. The day that happens we will no longer have need for the IRA, the UVF, Paisley and his ilk or any of them, we will have a democracy based on the wishes of the IRISH people alone and nobody else.
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I long for that day too, plus I’ve heard that a united Ireland would trive better, and that investors don’t want to invest in an unstable economy.
So then maybe the whole economy would pick up, seperation isn’t good in any walk of life, it’s not good for the Catholic Church, and dis-unity isn’t good for Ireland.
I long for the day when we can talk about Ireland in a different light, trouble is I didn’t bring it up.
 
(Joshua):
If you like boating, then you would surely like the west, you can sail from Beleek in north west Fermanagh, to Limerick in the south, via the Shannon river off-course.
Being born beside the lake, it’s in my blood.
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(Joshua),

I bet I would love this trip! as I grew up on a lake also. Maybe in a few years I can save enough money to make another trip over!

Geraldine
 
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I bet I would love this trip! as I grew up on a lake also. Maybe in a few years I can save enough money to make another trip over!

Geraldine
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You definately would like it, the Erne- Shannon waterway is so peaceful, a great get away from it all, and we sure need to do that here sometimes.
Have a look at some of the links.

geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukifer02.htm

iwai.ie/maps/shannon-erne/contents.html

This place is nice to stay, Charlie Parke is the owner, it’s only 10 miles north of my homeplace boatingireland.com/cruisers.html
 
(Joshua):
You definately would like it, the Erne- Shannon waterway is so peaceful, a great get away from it all, and we sure need to do that here sometimes.
Have a look at some of the links.

geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukifer02.htm

iwai.ie/maps/shannon-erne/contents.html

This place is nice to stay, Charlie Parke is the owner, it’s only 10 miles north of my homeplace boatingireland.com/cruisers.html
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(Joshua), thank you so much for these informative links! This would be such a lovely trip for me–I hope I’ll get to do it sometime! God bless you, a chara!
 
Update:

SF denies Ahern claim on attacks

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40755000/jpg/_40755471_adams_203.jpg PM has told Gerry Adams he wants an inclusive process

**Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has denied that IRA punishment attacks are switched on and off for political purposes. **

Speaking on Inside Politics, he rejected suggestions by Taoiseach Bertie Ahern that such attacks had been timed to suit Sinn Fein’s agenda.

Mr Ahern said he found it offensive that the IRA was able to turn on and off paramiltary-style beatings.

He was addressing Sinn Fein members of the Irish Parliament on Wednesday.

In heated exchanges, he detailed recent attacks for which the IRA was believed to have been responsible.

Mr Adams said: "I reject what the taoiseach said. He knows, and we know him long enough and value his contribution, as I’m sure he values our contribution, no matter about the current difficulties, that Sinn Fein does not turn off and on these so-called punishment beatings or shootings.

"He knows, or he should know, of the work done by Sinn Fein representatives on the ground.

“He knows our opposition to these. I actually think they are totally counterproductive, leaving aside any other issue of morality or any other matter, they’re just totally counterproductive,” he said.

’Implications for process’

Meanwhile, the prime minister told Mr Adams he wanted an inclusive process involving Sinn Fein - but that could not happen as long as the IRA was active.

Mr Blair delivered his message in “the starkest terms” on Friday.

He made the point at a meeting with Mr Adams and Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein at Chequers.

It was the first meeting between the men since police blamed the IRA for a £26m bank robbery in Belfast in December - a charge the IRA has denied. Mr Blair stopped short of warning that Sinn Fein would be locked out of devolution. But there are implications for the process in his words at the Chequers meeting. The prime minister said he accepted the chief constable’s view that the IRA was behind the raid.
 
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Kenny says IRA statement was 'affront to Irish people’
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Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny has described last night’s statement from the Provisional IRA as “an affront to the Irish people”.
In the statement, the IRA said it was withdrawing its offer to decommission all its weapons in protest at growing Irish-British antagonism towards the republican movement.

“Sinn Fein need to explain clearly the implications of this statement,” Mr Kenny said today. “There seems to be an implied threat that this business cannot proceed ahead unless they get their way in all circumstances on all issues.”
 
(Joshua):
Well if some only want us to hear their part of the story, offcourse wer’e going to balance it.
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Before I retired from the Army, this was a subject for “Professional Discussion.” Being Irish-American myself, I brought a lot of background history to the discussion (like the fact that the Unionists and Security Forces have killed more non-combatants than the IRA.)

The moderator (himself an Irish-American general) commented at one point, "The British must love the IRA, because every time the IRA is about to collapse, they do something really stupid to revive them."http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
I believe in a united Ireland as much as the next man, so before I say any more, let’s get that out of the way.
The IRA is responsible for a number of terrorist acts that are on the pale with the acts committed by many of our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Because the IRA are “Catholics,” and support a cause many of us believe in, we have excused their terrorism, even made excuses for it.
I ought to remind some of you that none other than Gerry Adams has said he would like to “undo the cozy relationship between Church and State on this island (meaning the whole Irish Republic)”. He is also pro-abortion, and he and his allies within Sinn Fein have tried (unsuccessfully) to put a pro-abortion plank in Sinn Fein’s platform. Most SF candidates are either pro-abortion, or they merely won’t discuss the issue.
Are these the kind of people that we as practicing Catholics want to be associated with?
 
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