Obama ‘Abruptly’ Walks Out of Debt Talks

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Now you know how it feels to us 95% of the time on this forum. 🙂
:amen: Ringil, haha yeah isn’t that the truth. Sometimes I feel like a one person choir. So I sure appreciated yours and others voices tonight! 👍 It’s good to know not all Catholics have become Tea Party Republicans. I was beginning to wonder. 🙂 God bless!
 
Well a couple hundred can mean a great deal for some families. A cell phone, television, and a car are not exactly the lap of luxury. There are many rather cheap prepaid cell phone plans nowadays for instance.
My examples are from 10 years ago. And now, things have increased. For example:
  • 63% of households have computers with internet access (source)
  • 99% of households have at least one television source
  • 56% of households pay for cable television source
  • 70% of households have cell phones source
  • 90+% of households have at least one car, and about 58% have at least 2 cars source
And according to the government, these are features of “extended” well-being". See this census site. From it:Extended measures of well-being examine living standards in a household using measures other than income and earnings. It covers five broad domains:


  1. *]appliances and electronic goods, such as possession of refrigerators, cellular telephones, and computers
    *]housing conditions, including level of satisfaction with overall home repair, adequate living space, and sufficient privacy
    *]neighborhood conditions and community services, such as: road conditions and the presence of abandoned buildings; satisfactory police, fire, and medical services; and attitudes towards local schools
    *]meeting basic needs, including the ability to pay bills in full, to avoid eviction, and to have sufficient food
    *]the expectation of help, should need arise, from friends, family, and the community

    Now, given these , are you really suggesting that the nearly 50% that pay no income tax cannot afford to pay any income tax at all? Even the top 10% of that group? Really? Do you think those with cell phones, multiple cars, cable television, internet access, etc, cannot afford a couple of hundred dollars per year in taxes?
    Oh come on! You know what those poor people use their cell phones for don’t you? 😉
    Cell phones are a necessity now? You do know that you can get a land line for significantly less than a cell phone, even pre-paid plans? Qwest, where I live, offers basic phone service for only $12/mo.
    Do you really think they have any business watching TV when they could be out “picking themselves up by their bootstraps.” You know, working “by the sweat of their brow.” 😉
    Nice. Not stated. Not even implied. When I was in college, I didn’t have cable or long distance. I scraped by paying my tuition, books, rent, food, and utilities, and didn’t have anything left for cable or long distance calls. I was fortunate that my father sent me pre-paid long distance cards for me to use to call home. But all we had was basic local-only service. If I did it, so can others.

    If they are so poor that they need government assistance, they shouldn’t be spending their money on cable television. After all, Uncle Sam dumped billions of dollars into a coupon program for people to allow their analog televisions to receive over the air digital broadcasts for free. Why do they need cable or satellite television?
 
Cantor said, the president told him: “Eric, don’t call my bluff. I’m going to the American people with this.”
Well, I hope Cantor does call his bluff, because that’s exactly what it is, and the Moody’s watch list thing is overblown.

Bachmann Hits Ceiling on Debt - Part 1
video.foxnews.com/v/1053097260001/bachmann-hits-ceiling-on-debt-part-1/?playlist_id=87485

Part 2 - Talks about Moody’s
video.foxnews.com/v/1053050503001/bachmann-hits-ceiling-on-debt-part-2/?playlist_id=87485
 
I’m proud of the President!! 👍
So am I, he never changes in the face of adversity. Always an arrogant, self serving, ill prepared panderer, playing a game that has devastated America. And playing it well. I hope they have a big parade for him in Chicago when he is sent home in January 2013.
 
Social Security, Medicare, and FOod Stamps are supposed to be social SAFETY NETS, not something you plan a retirement on. A safety net is just that, something that prevents you from being squished to a pancake in an emergency. After it catches you from certain death, you’re not supposed to stay on the thing and act like its a trampoline.
 
It’s good to know not all Catholics have become Tea Party Republicans. I was beginning to wonder.
Ya, but I am working on bumping the numbers up. As soon as Catholic begin to understand that charity and taking care of their neighbors is a personal, private, individual responsibility that cannot be turned over to the state, they come into the fold. The rest will continue to render unto Caesar that which rightfully belongs to God.
 
I love how the Tea Partiers are ensuring the re-election of the President!! Keep it up fellas. America is watching. . . .
The Tea Party is what has slowed America’s fall off the cliff. We just have to get the Senate under control, and it won’t make a difference if Obama is reelected or not. You may like an imperial Presidency, the growing majority of Americans certainly do not.
 
Oh come on! You know what those poor people use their cell phones for don’t you? 😉
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XBox 360’s are important as well. All poor people should have some sort of entertainment to come home to after standing in line all day trying to apply for assistance for their energy bill.

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What is being qualified as “poor” in the United States is an insult to truely poor people in the rest of the world. Most “poor people” in the US live better than working class stiffs in Europe.
 
He might have had a different attitude had he paid taxes.
The whole “Christ encouraged us to pay taxes” is a complete misinterpretation of the “Render unto Caesar” passage of Scripture. Christ was not advocating paying taxes, it was a warning about who your loyalty belongs to.
 
What is being qualified as “poor” in the United States is an insult to truely poor people in the rest of the world. Most “poor people” in the US live better than working class stiffs in Europe.
I’ve been to a 3rd world country. The poor in the US live like kings and queens compared to some people.
 
What is being qualified as “poor” in the United States is an insult to truely poor people in the rest of the world. Most “poor people” in the US live better than working class stiffs in Europe.
Agreed. Actually in terms of living space, electronic appliances and food you could take “Working class stiff” out and replace it with “average person” in many European nations.
 
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XBox 360’s are important as well. All poor people should have some sort of entertainment to come home to after standing in line all day trying to apply for assistance for their energy bill.

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Thanks for helping me make my point Barrick! I’m not very good at getting pics. on here but you sir, have shown the true colors of the Protestant Work Ethic Righters beautifully BRAVO!! 👍
 
He even spoke out against the Iraq war as a state legislator in IL. Now as far as him cavng into Republicans and extending them, yes you can blame him. I blame him for that too except I understand the Republicans were holding hostage benefits for the middle class if he did not go along with extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich.
Oh, please, do you not have Google on your computer or do you think other people don’t?

Just curious, how were Republicans holding anything hostage when they were in the minority in both houses of congress and couldn’t even mount enough votes for a filibuster in the Senate? The Obama Tax cuts were passed in December 2008. There was absolutely nothing that the Republicans could have done to force or stop passage of those bills then.

The very same tax loopholes Obama is crying about now are the ones voted for and passed by the democrats and signed by him.
 
I honestly don’t understand the issue very well but I sure hope that I don’t end up losing my SSI checks,
If you lose your SSI benefits you should thank Obama for it.

SSI is currently cash flowing its benefits from the amounts collected from payroll deductions. The only way it won’t meet its monthly obligation is if the Treasury Department under Timothy Geithner diverts money from the Trust Fund to other government activities (green jobs, Libya, General Motors) instead of using the money for what it is specifically being raised for. And there is no way Timmy is going to do this without Obama’s specific orders to do so.
 
Hi, I’m a Christian liberal. Although I have fought to remove prayer from schools and stand strongly for a complete separation of Christianity and state, I also justify my support for big government and pro abortion politicians using Christianity. I believe we should ask ourselves, What would Jesus do if he were a politician today? Well, as long as he was pro choice, big government, and didn’t pray he would have my vote.
 
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