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Who’s side are you on?

You’re own?

Shalom
I’m on God’s side, but God doesn’t require that I be a dupe. “Not all who say ‘Lord, lord’…” “I would have you be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”. The political sphere requires the exercise of the virtue of Prudence. Just because one side mouths the sentiments of pro-life and pro-family doesn’t mean I have to automatically vote for them. The Nazi and Fascist parties in Germany and Italy in the late 20s and early 30s were officially pro-life and pro-family too, and they got the votes of a lot of good Catholics that way.
“God’s side” is NOT the side of greed and materialism and excessive individualism (John Paul II’s phrase) and guns.
 
I’ll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama, and I suspect a lot of Catholics felt similarly. Romney/Ryan represented a thoroughly unChristian and harmful economic philosophy that would further decimate the middle class and take us futher down the road to a corporate plutocracy. Ryan was an admited devotee of the atheist Ayn Rand. Yes Romeny/Ryan were on the right side on paper on abortion and traditional marriage, but I and many others have learned not to trust the GOP on those issues. A GOP president never accomplishes anything for life or the traditional family, but always accomplishes their econimic objectives: witness Reagan, and Bushs I and II. Romney in particular has made two 180 degree turns on the abortion issue in his career. He could not be trusted on any issue, including abortion. The GOP establishment is about one thing and one thing only: MONEY.
I’m sure this is wishful thinking, but I hope you will hold the Democrats to the same standard as the Republicans. If people are still poor in 4 years, You will vote Republican. Right?
 
The yahoo article is a scare tactic. The difference between Obama and Romney was only 1.5 million voters. If Obama had lost, Democrats could say the same thing. At the rate things are going with National debt and what might await on the international scene, Obama and his supporters take our whole country down. IF ACA does not work, health rationing, the naysayers will be the big joke. Other similar incidences may occur as well.

Our system is made to keep the extreme leftist Obama and his supporters in check, we will have gridlock. Better yet, let the rest of the US live without New York, California and the great lakes region.
 
If I may…
Many here are angry, many in despair and depressed over last night’s results.
Let me be the first to say…don’t fight it.
Allow those emotions to sink in, let them cleanse all the illusions you had.
Because only by going THROUGH the fire of disillusionment can you come out on the other side a different person.
Someone said once, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and OVER again, each time expecting different results.
Don’t feel bad though, I was there myself four years ago.
Only by recognizing the REASON for the depressing emotions you have, can you transform that into positive energy.
Maybe now some of you are ready to admit there is no difference between the two ruling parties. The only hope for this country, for this WORLD, is neither party. Washington cannot be changed from the inside. It can only be changed from the outside.
Only a strong third, outside of Washington, party can effect change.
The choice is yours.
Doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over…
Or stop what you are doing and do something completely different.
 
Just because one side mouths the sentiments of pro-life and pro-family doesn’t mean I have to automatically vote for them.
I voted for the side who took the pro-life and pro traditional marriage stance. I took them at their word…and my conscience is clear on the matter.

You voted for the side which has already shown their stance regarding “abortion on demand” and “gay marriage.” 🤷
 
I will repeat: “the urge to cram things down people’s throats”. I’m simply describing my impression - you don’t have to agree.
Good, because I don’t. I would argue that the Democrat party in fact done just what you fear the GOP would do. It is kinda like the argument that one should vote for President Obama rather than Romney because I’m concerned that Romney may not be as pro-life as he says, even though I know that President Obama is for unlimited access to abortion for any reason. At least you *know *where he stands.😦
The mandate was imposed by a duly elected government - do you suggest a general election for every major policy government proposes?
Funny, but you started with the suggestion that the GOP has an urge to cream things down people’s throats, then said that it was ok for the Democrats because they were elected. Would you be ok if the GOP lived up to their alleged urge if they were elected?

Peace

Tim
 
Romney ran against Santa Claus, Obama, I will give you this, free health care, contraceptives, Obamaphones. That’s who won, Santa Claus. Deep thought from the Left!
 
I’m on God’s side, but God doesn’t require that I be a dupe. “Not all who say ‘Lord, lord’…” “I would have you be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”. The political sphere requires the exercise of the virtue of Prudence. Just because one side mouths the sentiments of pro-life and pro-family doesn’t mean I have to automatically vote for them. The Nazi and Fascist parties in Germany and Italy in the late 20s and early 30s were officially pro-life and pro-family too, and they got the votes of a lot of good Catholics that way.
“God’s side” is NOT the side of greed and materialism and excessive individualism (John Paul II’s phrase) and guns.
Gov. Romney has shown by his actions that he is very generous in cash and personal time contributions.

What has Obama done for the poor?
 
It’s sad, but you can see why we are so divided and gridlocked in congress just by reading this thread. We have people believing abortion is the most important issue and all else is secondary.
That would include me and I am proud to state that. What else matters if you are dead?
This mindset of idealism is exactly why nothing gets done in Washington. Bring both parties to the middle to focus on things we actually can work on rather than shutting down someone doesn’t agree with our religious and moral beliefs.
How does one compromise their moral beliefs? I can’t and won’t compromise someone’s life just to keep a tax break or to keep military funding or any other issue you want to bring up. Some things are not negotiable.

Peace

Tim
 
Gov. Romney has shown by his actions that he is very generous in cash and personal time contributions.

What has Obama done for the poor?
The vast majority of his charity went to the CLDS. As a Mormon he is required to tithe.

John
 
Republicans won more governorships last night. Do the Democrats even have a Hispanic or Woman governor? Seems like they are the ones with the problem.
 
I’m on God’s side, but God doesn’t require that I be a dupe. “Not all who say ‘Lord, lord’…” “I would have you be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”. The political sphere requires the exercise of the virtue of Prudence. Just because one side mouths the sentiments of pro-life and pro-family doesn’t mean I have to automatically vote for them. **The Nazi and Fascist parties in Germany and Italy in the late 20s and early 30s were officially pro-life and pro-family too, and they got the votes of a lot of good Catholics that way. **
“God’s side” is NOT the side of greed and materialism and excessive individualism (John Paul II’s phrase) and guns.
That’s why one of the first things Hitler did when in power was to legalize abortion and in 1941 pushed abortion on occupied-Poland and had the T-4 euthanasia program? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You’re entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
 
Is the GOP stronger or weaker than they were after the 2008 elections!
 
That would include me and I am proud to state that. What else matters if you are dead?How does one compromise their moral beliefs? I can’t and won’t compromise someone’s life just to keep a tax break or to keep military funding or any other issue you want to bring up. Some things are not negotiable.

Peace

Tim
If you really see things this black and white, why do you vote for the republicans, who often support capital punishment like in Texas? How can you support the republicans who are receiving millions of dollars from insurance companies? These health insurance companies have killed people for profit. This is a fact, and this is okay with you? My point is, you voted for someone who compromises your morals.
 
Everyone’s missing the real problem. It wasn’t a problem of demographics or appealing to those who wanted to institutionalize evil (same-sex marriage, etc.).

The problem began with the efforts of the followers of the Enlightenment movement, who have gained control, in the last 40 years or so, over our educational system and our media, and now our government. They gained control over our educational system in order to indoctrinate our children into their way of thinking. They also purposely stopped teaching children to think critically, and therefore, to be able to think through problems and issues logically. These days, education is more about memorizing and regurgitating than real thinking. And to replace the need to think critically, they gained control over most of the national media, especially TV and Hollywood, so they could be brainwashed into what to think. Don’t believe me? Look at the demographics of where Obama got many of his votes. The youth! Hitler said that if you tell a lie loud enough, and long enough, pretty soon, everyone will come to believe it. Such has been the case with regard to abortion, artificial birth control, same-sex “marriage,” etc. And one of the biggest safeguards to this happening should have been the Church, except that the seminaries were infiltrated by those with other agendas, and we ended up with a lot of young men going through the seminaries without being formed spiritually or being taught the depth of the faith. They were taught, early on, not to “rock the boat.” So, we haven’t heard, for the most part, from the pulpit, how these things that are now generally accepted are evil. And catechesis has been so watered down as to be almost useless. CCD now stands more for “Color, Cut, and Draw.”

So, who what is this “Enlightenment movement?” It is a movement begun in France about three centuries ago as an attempt to create a society without God. It has given birth to Marxism, socialism, communism, etc. It has, as its three basic principles: 1. Secularism - that there is no God, or if there is, He’s totally uninterested in us. 2. Relativism - that there is no such thing as objective truth. Truth is merely your perspective or mine, which gives rise to the old lie, “Your truth” and “My truth.” 3. Individualism - that we are not responsible for anyone else, except as we consent. In other words, we are not our brother’s keeper.
 
If you really see things this black and white, why do you vote for the republicans, who often support capital punishment like in Texas? How can you support the republicans who are receiving millions of dollars from insurance companies? These health insurance companies have killed people for profit. This is a fact, and this is okay with you? My point is, you voted for someone who compromises your morals.
Please research and study the Catholic principle of proportionality. We are allowed to vote for the lesser of two evils. Abortion trumps the other issues, hands down. Obama is, hands down, the most pro-Abortion president in history.
 
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