MaggieOH:
The difference in what Jesus said by saying “Have you not read what God said to you” and those who say God said when referring to the words of St. Paul or any other of the New Testament writers is that God did say to Moses: I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
But Moses was responsible for writing it down, right? He still had to interpret what God said and then write it down (using your position).
That particular quote from Jesus does not imply as someone wanted to imply that this could be seen to being tantamount to worshipping the Bible.
You mean that someone is yourself, right? It is not my position that Jesus was worshipping the Bible. You’re the one who claims that saying “God says” when referring to the inspired Bible is worshipping it…not me.
The difference is that Jesus is stating what God actually stated to Moses, whereas those who quote St. Paul do not make the correct distinction that St. Paul is inspired by the Holy Spirit, but also used his own human reasoning and interpretations.
You keep bringing up Paul, but you don’t deal with the specific passages that deal with him. Here goes post #3. Maybe this time you’ll actually answer my direct questions…
And what are we to do with what Peter tells us:
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
–2 Peter 1:19-21
This verse says it all. It talks about Prophets, their understanding, and how God is involved in the writing of Scripture. I hate to tell you this Maggie, but this doesn’t look good for your position.
"…just as **our dear brother Paul **also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, **as they do the other **Scriptures, to their own destruction. "
–2 Pet 3:15-16
Wow Peter calls Paul’s writings Scripture…just like the Old Testament. But you say Paul’s writings are different than the Old Testament…who can settle this dispute? The Bible or Maggie?
And Paul certainly felt his writings were inspired:
"I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached
is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather,** I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ**. "
–Gal 1:11-12
But if he interpreted it before he wrote it down, how could it be something that isn’t made up…and how could he say he received it by revelation from Jesus Christ?
And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it
not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
–1 Thess 2:13
Hmmm, the “word of God” not the “word of men.” Interesting, don’t you think?
If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
–1 Cor 14:37
Okay, you were saying about quoting St. Paul using the words “God said?”…
Besides, the Bible did not exist at the time of Jesus. Bible means a collection of books or manuscripts. The correct terminology is the Scripture.
:nope: How is this relevant? Could you elaborate?
PS: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE interact with all my arguments! Don’t just pick one to the exclusion of all the others. I’m working on my side of this dialogue…