Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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If Trayvon Martin called the police and said some one was stalking him, would this tragedy have happened?
 
pete_29 said:
If Trayvon Martin called the police and said some one was stalking him, would this tragedy have happened?
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Probably.

I think this is a good demonstration that other than defending oneself, sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Though one does not want to be cowardly, sometimes it’s best to high-tail it out of somewhere. To just go!! Avoid conflict.

For those who don’t know, Zimmerman was hardly someone who could chase one down per his weight issues, even on the 911 tapes, he seems to be breathing heavily.
 
This was not a Stand Your Ground case though originally, it might have appeared to be that.

I read up on Florida’s SYG law initially and one can find a number of “Self-Defense” cases, if people don’t like the verdict, again this is logic, maybe one should criticize the law.

But Zimmerman got a fair trial from a jury of his peers, not Trayvon Martin’s peers, any poster here’s peers but Zimmerman’s own peers. This is our justice system.

Daniel Adkins? Heard of him, a White or “White Hispanic” in Arizona killed by a Black, a bit of a reverse situation. So the media, Al Sharpton pushed this issue in Florida.

Daniel Adkins killer in Arizona apparently got arrested on charges unrelated to shooting Adkins,

news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981486689

One wonders why we didn’t hear about this other case??
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
In my opinion Eric Holder is a racist and a scandal-a-day disgrace to his office. Please don’t put stock in what he says; please consider:

His opinion on brainwashing:
youtube.com/watch?v=Sa49iocFTSE
His flippant disregard for a parents right to educate ones child:
cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2013/March/Americans-Warned-Homeschoolers-Stripped-of-Rights/
His failure to apply voter intimidation laws to african american groups (while lying to congress and saying he does):
youtube.com/watch?v=OeAmIIQTbXc

and the Fast and the Furious perjuries:
youtube.com/watch?v=Fl-ngPgvrps

This is not even the beginning of tip of the iceberg on Eric Holder’s scandals.
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As attorney general of the United States of America, Eric Holder has access to information which I doubt that people on this board have access to. The people of the United States of America have elected Barack Obama to be their president and he has chosen Eric Holder to be the attorney general of the United States. I have to believe that Eric Holder knows much more about this case than anyone on this board does, simply because as attorney general of the United States it goes with the job to receive and sift through information which is not generally available to the public. And the attorney general of the United States has declared that the death of Trayvon Martin was unnecessary.
 
Tomdstone said:
As attorney general of the United States of America, Eric Holder has access to information which I doubt that people on this board have access to. The people of the United States of America have elected Barack Obama to be their president and he has chosen Eric Holder to be the attorney general of the United States. I have to believe that Eric Holder knows much more about this case than anyone on this board does, simply because as attorney general of the United States it goes with the job to receive and sift through information which is not generally available to the public. And the attorney general of the United States has declared that the death of Trayvon Martin was unnecessary.
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SMH
 
Most people who were praising the verdict call themselves PRO LIFE! That is just appalling!

It looks like there are members here who are some kind of hybrid right wing conservatives who put on a fake fascade of being Christians when the fact of the matter is that they are atheists just like the nazis or that political group called dump the TEA, ditch the PARTY!
 
je333 said:
Most people who were praising the verdict call themselves PRO LIFE! That is just appalling!

It looks like there are members here who are some kind of hybrid right wing conservatives who put on a fake fascade of being Christians when the fact of the matter is that they are atheists just like the nazis or that political group called dump the TEA, ditch the PARTY!
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Is supporting a man beating another’s head pro life?
 
Carlan said:
I accept the verdict,however I do believe jury’s can be wrong and in this I do not believe Trayvon received proper justice.
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Looking for justice on Earth is a waste of time. It belongs only to the Lord. TM, like GZ, like all o us, will have to answer to Him for our lives. Respect the decision (especially since the evidence says it was the correct decision, unless you want to just make up the law) and let it go.
 
je333 said:
Most people who were praising the verdict call themselves PRO LIFE! That is just appalling!

It looks like there are members here who are some kind of hybrid right wing conservatives who put on a fake fascade of being Christians when the fact of the matter is that they are atheists just like the nazis or that political group called dump the TEA, ditch the PARTY!
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Not wanting to see a man wrongly thrown in jail for decades is counter to being pro-life? We follow the rule of law, and mourn the loss of Trayvon.

What is wrong is the following:
  • assuming because people are glad man who is not-guilty of legal murder is going to walk free are somehow glad that Trayvon died. No one is glad Trayvon died, and to pretend you think that just to take shots at the pro-life movement highlights your agenda.
  • clearly not knowing what you are talking about when it comes to the legal system and the law in question
  • somehow linking your angst to the Tea Party, which shows the agenda in your rant to use this as a political tool, calling into question your sincerity
  • calling other Catholics atheists, which violates forum rules
  • likening them to Nazis, which violates forum rules
That’s a whole lot of wrong in one post, wow.
 
2ndcoming said:
He did nothing illegal in the court of law in Florida decisions made by 6 women at this time. This does not mean he will not be found guilty in the next trials.
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Gotta love the way the feds get away with double jeopardy. Keep trying until you get the verdict you want.

(yes, I know it is s different charge, but it is the same action that is being tried.)
 
Tomdstone said:
As attorney general of the United States of America, Eric Holder has access to information which I doubt that people on this board have access to. The people of the United States of America have elected Barack Obama to be their president and he has chosen Eric Holder to be the attorney general of the United States. I have to believe that Eric Holder knows much more about this case than anyone on this board does, simply because as attorney general of the United States it goes with the job to receive and sift through information which is not generally available to the public. And the attorney general of the United States has declared that the death of Trayvon Martin was unnecessary.
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Or, he is a race-baiting, job-abandoning guy who left Elian Gonzalez out to dry, hasn’t investigated the IRS scandal yet, and appeared to lie about Fast and Furious.

One of the two.

Blind faith like that makes me wonder why there is any scandal with Edward Snowden. Just trust the government and relax!
 
Tomdstone said:
The attorney general of the United States of America, Eric Holder, has declared that the death of Trayvon Martin was unnecessary. I am sure that he knows a whole lot more about this case than anyone here.
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So what you are saying is that trial decisions don’t mean anything anymore, and the guilt or innocence of everyone is now determined at the whim of the Attorney General? America now has a one man justice system? Is that what you are saying? If so, then you are saying that America is a dictatorship.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t think the Professor means denominations, Christian or otherwise, but individuals who have prejudiced attitudes, some of which they may be rather unaware of. One can be racist privately without being outspoken or advertising it, as well as rationalize one’s racist attitudes by means of moral values. She doesn’t believe this group of people is a fringe element, and neither do I. George Zimmerman, his words and his behavior, are not an anomaly.
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I went looking for additional info, because picked apart comments can often make opinions appear other than they might. But, her full comments on the issue just make her appear to be just another liberal race baiter. She paints a broad brush over conservative Christians, NRA, the religious right, people who don’t want race to be an issue, the US Constitution & our entire system of laws as all racist. :rolleyes:
 
LisaA said:
What is with this group of “johnny come lately” posters who haven’t bothered to read the posts, haven’t followed the trial, haven’t looked at the evidence but make specious claims for which there is about ZERO evidence in support.
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For me, I did not follow the evidence because I know that both sides are spinning this so much it makes one dizzy. Only the jury has the evidence properly submitted so they can examine it. As to coming “late”, this is still a new thread, less than three days old. Catholic Answers does not require anyone to constantly monitor other posts to add a post. On this thread, that would be impossible.
 
je333 said:
Most people who were praising the verdict call themselves PRO LIFE! That is just appalling!
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How is not wanting to see an innocent man go to prison not being pro-life?

Do you not agree with the words of Pope John Paul II in the most pro-life encyclical of all?
Moreover, “legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life, the common good of the family or of the State”. Unfortunately it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose action brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason.
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-Evangelicam Vitae - The Gospel of Life
 
je333 said:
Most people who were praising the verdict call themselves PRO LIFE! That is just appalling!
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Why? Guilt or innocence is not a pro-life issue. The reference to the Tea Party shows a politically motivation. A court of law is not about politics.
 
I don’t recall white people rioting in the streets when O.J. Simpson was acquitted.
 
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