Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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I just served on a jury trial a couple weeks ago. This restored my wavering faith in our judicial system when it comes to jury selection, hearing the case as presented thoroughly by both sides, the entire deliberation process, the care taken by the judge in giving direction to the jurors in points of law. We reached a verdict based on the evidence, then were instructed and sent back to the deliberation room to review and recommend sentencing. This jury was made up of a variety of ages, races and backgrounds. However, we Americans were able to focus on this important task at hand and deliberate in good faith and good conscience.
Think about what the press and the POTUS are really saying…they refuse to abide by a guiding principle of democracy because they personally and collectively disagree with those findings. think about where this country is really heading and where our freedoms are being gradually eliminated. Usually the press is a driving force in pushing the agenda of race baiting and in this case the oval office is complicit. As we lose our rights, one by one, a right to a fair trial by jury is going the way of our rights of free speech, and freedom to live out our faith in our daily lives as we go about our businesses, raising our families, standing up for our principles and moral values. The attacks continue. Let us turn to the Lord in prayer, fast and do penance.
 
Here’s something I’m sure the liberal media will never bring up: rap music. They don’t dare criticize the fact that so much of it glorifies crime and degradation of women. Why don’t we have more MC Hammer’s, who had more positive themes (ok, yeah, he did go gangster at one point. It didn’t help much)? You want to end the strife? Change the media! We need blacks who will counter the Spike Lees, P Diddies, and the like.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t think the Professor means denominations, Christian or otherwise, but individuals who have prejudiced attitudes, some of which they may be rather unaware of. One can be racist privately without being outspoken or advertising it, as well as rationalize one’s racist attitudes by means of moral values. She doesn’t believe this group of people is a fringe element, and neither do I. George Zimmerman, his words and his behavior, are not an anomaly.
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Are you trying to explain the support for Trayvon Martin?
 
For those who thought that Zimmerman should have been convicted, I would like to ask the following question:

Do you accept the fact that TM was physically attacking GZ and that by pounding one’s head even if it was a few times, can cause serious harm if not death and that GZ was justified in using deadly force in that situation?

If a rapist who is unarmed attacks a woman and she pulls out a gun and kills him to stop because she isn’t strong enough to repel him, would you say that she should go to jail?
 
fatima19172017 said:
If a rapist who is unarmed attacks a woman and she pulls out a gun and kills him to stop because she isn’t strong enough to repel him, would you say that she should go to jail?
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I agree she shouldn’t go to jail. However, a fuller analogy would be a frail woman who follows a possible rapist with a gun, rather than just reporting the rapists and sitting in the car until the police arrive.
 
and it begins.

myfoxdc.com/story/22850763/jogger-says-he-was-attacked-in-retaliation-for-zimmerman-verdict#ixzz2ZDAi5dG6
A man who says he was jogging alongside of a road when three black men abducted and beat him claims the alleged attack was in retaliation for George Zimmerman’s acquittal, police in Senatobia, Miss. told Fox News.
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Memphis television station WREG reported the assailants allegedly told the victim, “This is for Trayvon.” The television station and The Democrat newspaper reported the jogger was badly beaten and later dropped off on a road between Senatobia and Coldwater, Miss.
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fatima19172017 said:
For those who thought that Zimmerman should have been convicted, I would like to ask the following question:

Do you accept the fact that TM was physically attacking GZ and that by pounding one’s head even if it was a few times, can cause serious harm if not death and that GZ was justified in using deadly force in that situation?

If a rapist who is unarmed attacks a woman and she pulls out a gun and kills him to stop because she isn’t strong enough to repel him, would you say that she should go to jail?
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No, I don’t think it is a fact established that TM was physically attacking GZ, that is the word of GZ. I would accept the fact that TM had the better in the physical altercation and possibly was pounding GZ’s head because he was winning the fight. That GZ was attacked is the argument for the defense. This happens when there are 4 minutes that transpire where we don’t know what for sure happened.
 
pnewton said:
I agree she shouldn’t go to jail. However, a fuller analogy would be a frail woman who follows a possible rapist with a gun, rather than just reporting the rapists and sitting in the car until the police arrive.
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Because rapist are allowed to roam freely while innocent people are required to cower in their homes and cars?
 
fatima19172017 said:
Or how about this:

abcnews.go.com/US/zimmermans-parents-hiding-enormous-amount-death-threats-abc/story?id=19670456

I can’t help but wonder if Ed Snowden would be safer from the public in the USA than George Zimmerman.
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And this:
Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, “This is for Trayvon.”

A witness posted the account on a community Facebook page, and police confirmed they are looking into whether the suspects’ reaction to the verdict in the Florida trial of George Zimmerman played a part in the incident. A police report on the beating does not mention the alleged comments.

Sgt. Eric Kowalczyk, a police spokesman, declined to go into further detail.
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Real estate agent Christina Dudley said she was walking to her car just before 9 p.m. when she saw several young black males and two black females chasing a 37-year-old Hispanic man west on North Linwood Avenue past East Fairmont Avenue.

“One of the boys had a handgun out and it was pointed at the back of him,” Dudley said in an interview.

They caught up to the man at the corner of Fairmount and N. Streeper Street, and the male with the gun beat the victim with what appeared to be his gun while others kicked and stomped him, Dudley said.
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Read more: baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,5135359.story#ixzz2ZDCmxcjv
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I see plenty of new reasons for more CCW laws.
 
pnewton said:
I agree she shouldn’t go to jail. However, a fuller analogy would be a frail woman who follows a possible rapist with a gun, rather than just reporting the rapists and sitting in the car until the police arrive.
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What if she thought he was a rapist, shot him, and he never was a rapist or suspect of a rape at all; he had the same color of skin as the man who did rape others in the neighborhood but it wasn’t the man she shot.
 
BroomWagon said:
No, I don’t think it is a fact established that TM was physically attacking GZ, that is the word of GZ. I would accept the fact that TM had the better in the physical altercation and possibly was pounding GZ’s head because he was winning the fight. That GZ was attacked is the argument for the defense. This happens when there are 4 minutes that transpire where we don’t know what for sure happened.
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But didn’t the forensic pathologist indicate that TM was on top in the altercation and that GZ was receiving sustained pounding? Usually when one person is “on top” that indicates that person is doing the majority of the damage.
 
Anyone who beats a person and says this is for Trayvon, in addition to assult, should also be charged with a hate crime.
 
BroomWagon said:
No, I don’t think it is a fact established that TM was physically attacking GZ, that is the word of GZ.

I would accept the fact that TM had the better in the physical altercation and possibly was pounding GZ’s head because he was winning the fight.
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So you think the witnesses lied that testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and pounding him MMA style?

What is your theory as to how Zimmerman received his injuries? They were self inflicted?

And the medical examiner testimony that Martin had no physical injuries other than the gun shot wound and to his right hand, which is consistent with the injuries Zimmerman had to his face? And the additional testimony that the gun was shot against Martins clothes but those clothes were 3-4 inches away from Martin’s body which is consistent with Martin being on top of Zimmerman?
 
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