Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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MaryT777 said:
TM may have feared for his life and we don’t have his testimony. We have no clue what Zimmerman said to him. It’s completely his testimony and he’s been untruthful with the initial bond hearing and the amount of money he had to the I don’t know anything about the defense laws etc. I don’t find him remotely credible so hence it’s fair to have on opinion different from yours. The key part of the incident is missing its voice, TM.
That doesn’t mean we don’t accept the verdict.

No one is required to answer a question from a man who has been following you and doesn’t even have the least amount of sense to identify themselves as Neighborhood Watch.
Even so, TM has no “duty” to answer any ? from Zimmerman.
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Actually, I don’t think they weren’t untruthful at the bond hearing. Shellie Zimmerman was asked if she knew how much money the website had raised. She said she didn’t know, it was being run by a relative, But she could try and get that relative by phone to answer the question. Neither the prosecutor or the judge followed up on it. So, its’ going to be a very interesting case in trying to prove perjury.

Of course, this is the same bond hearing where the prosecutors special investigator stated he had no information that contradicted Zimmermans story, or contradicted it being self-defense and hadn’t bothered to look at Zimmerman’s medical records.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Nobody on the defense even began to prove this. GZ head being injured could easily have been caused in self defense on the part of TM.
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Of course. I can’t imagine being followed around., We have no clue what Zimmerman said, if he showed the gun or stated he had one or what have you.
We do know Z had run ins with the law before but attended alcohol awareness.
That’s not a good combination alcohol and guns but that was hopefully resolved.

We do know that Z had a restraining order against him for trolling her around as well.

Maybe not the right person to have a gun for neighborhood watch purposes.
 
MaryT777 said:
Of course. I can’t imagine being followed around., We have no clue what Zimmerman said, if he showed the gun or stated he had one or what have you.
We do know Z had run ins with the law before but attended alcohol awareness.
That’s not a good combination alcohol and guns but that was hopefully resolved.

We do know that Z had a restraining order against him for trolling her around as well.

Maybe not the right person to have a gun for neighborhood watch purposes.
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Way to bring up things that were entirely irrelevant to the claim of self defense or justifiable homicide in this case.

Also, the gun wasn’t for “neighborhood watch purposes.”
 
Tomdstone said:
I don’t think that convictions are the only things that matter. For example, suppose that you have stolen $1000 from a neighbor, but he is unable to convict you. You may be innocent according to a legal system, but you are still guilty of having stolen $1000 and you are bound under the moral law of God to return the money that you have stolen, even though you were never convicted of the crime.
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Yet if your neighbor accuses you of stealing 1,000 dollars but you haven’t, you are initially charged because you happened to have coincidentally deposited 1,000, and then the charges dropped after you show the actual source of the money…

what’s important, that you were charged, or that you weren’t convicted?
 
MaryT777 said:
Of course. I can’t imagine being followed around., We have no clue what Zimmerman said, if he showed the gun or stated he had one or what have you.
We do know Z had run ins with the law before but attended alcohol awareness.
That’s not a good combination alcohol and guns but that was hopefully resolved.

We do know that Z had a restraining order against him for trolling her around as well.

Maybe not the right person to have a gun for neighborhood watch purposes.
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WE know TM had illegal drugs in him. We know he has stolen goods and burglary tools. We know he admired “gangstas”. He had some ingredients to make 'purple drank". He had a phone and could have called police, as GZ did, Yet, he deliberately chose not to and instead chose to call a friend and use racial slurs and talk about “gay” rape.

If you think you are being followed call the police. Do not arbitrarily violently attack a person causing you no harm. It is unChristian to do so.
 
styrgwillidar said:
You’re not serious, right? You do realize this happens all the time in court? I
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I can’t speak for Florida but where I’ve lived anyone requesting a restraining order is automatically granted one temporarily. In the vast majority of cases, they are never renewed because renewal isn’t sought.
 
MaryT777 said:
Of course. I can’t imagine being followed around., We have no clue what Zimmerman said, if he showed the gun or stated he had one or what have you.
We do know Z had run ins with the law before but attended alcohol awareness.
That’s not a good combination alcohol and guns but that was hopefully resolved.

We do know that Z had a restraining order against him for trolling her around as well.

Maybe not the right person to have a gun for neighborhood watch purposes.
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👍 👍
 
BroomWagon said:
Ahem.

Let me say, I’m almost always for the Conservative Cause, however, in this case, Rick Santorum, Michael Savage and Allen West, all 3 of them often looked at as extreme conservative types have displayed reservations about this incident, basically all 3 have spoken against Zimmerman. West in the past few days has said he sees this incident as being exploited by the Race Baiters. That is in the news.

Justice is always the most important thing here, I think the law worked badly though Zimmerman may well be “not guilty” but his conduct may not be exemplary.
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I, too, consider myself a strong conservative, and I support the right to bear arms, but Zimmerman’s past also troubles me as well. It tells me that he is at least capable of aggression, and thus being the aggressor in this incident, even though we will never know what really happened that night.
 
maryjk said:
When?

Where?

Because Martin wasn’t an innocent 17 year old.
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Completely unsubstantiated. We do not know who the aggressor was, but we do know that Florida state law put a gun into the hands of a amateur law enforcement personal.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Completely unsubstantiated. We do not know who the aggressor was, but we do know that Florida state law put a gun into the hands of a amateur law enforcement personal.
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The aggressor is the man on top of the other man beating him while he screams for help.
 
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