Opinion on the #Metoo movement

[gcshapero]

If you’ve seen any CAF modesty discussion at all, that kind of makes the point.

There are things that are definitely over the line, but there are also things that some people will think are over the line and some think are perfectly ok.

It’s the same with safety too. There are things that are obviously unsafe, but there are also things that are going to be debatable. Everything in life carries some risk.

True.
I’m trying to speak more on the parts that are much more clearly objective. For instance, praising promiscuity, “my body, my choice,” and literally wearing your underwear or being totally topless…that goes beyond the pale.

 

[gcshapero]

Male promiscuity is still the accepted norm. It is never questioned, deciphered and scrutinized as female promiscuity is. Is it unnatural for women to be sexual beings? I think women see dressing sexually as a way to reclaim their sexuality. IDK if I agree or not.
I understand the whole idea if you want respect you should respect yourself but that can turn into slutshaming though and can be used to justify abuse

Both female and male is accepted by the culture (one more than the other depending on location, culture, age, etc). In fact, I’ve also found female promiscuity to be more acceptable with the rise of 3rd wave feminism. Though both are accepted in the end.

As far as Christian morality goes, NEITHER are acceptable and should both be totally rejected.

 

[Jump4Joy]

A man sleeping around doesn’t make him a s1u+. It doesn’t discredit as much as if a woman acting in the same regard.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I guess her point is that a mvement wants to promote the dignity of women and wants to protect them from sexual abuse or assault should not be advocating or normalizing female promiscuity

 

[gcshapero]

A man sleeping around doesn’t make him a s1u+. It doesn’t discredit as much as if a woman acting in the same regard.

That conversation has evolved into women who sleep around are “modern women.” It’s especially the narrative in metropolitan areas from my observation.

I can’t count how often I’ve heard that phrase “modern woman” to mean having lots of sexual encounters.

 

[pnewton]

Why is female promiscuity always the problem?

I think this thread has veered off topic. In reference to this thread topic, promiscuity is never a problem or a part of sexual assault, though it might be a part of sexual harassment, and may in fact, in the workplace, may constitute sexual harassment.

 

[DarkLight]

I think this thread has veered off topic. In reference to this thread topic, promiscuity is never a problem or a part of sexual assault, though it might be a part of sexual harassment, and may in fact, in the workplace, may constitute sexual harassment.

Yeah, I think people forget that when it comes to the workplace, the general rule is any sexual activity you may or may not be engaging in is something no one wants to hear about. Anything past “this is my spouse so-and-so” and “we’re expecting” is TMI.

 

[Jump4Joy]

My point is if a woman is known or presumed to be promiscuous some men feel entitled to touch her or harasss her and the rationalization is that she is promiscuous anyways. Some men don’t think even a promiscuous woman would or should reject. They assume if she’s easy then however they treat her is ok. I don’t think men experience this

 

[PetraG]

I guess her point is that a mvement wants to promote the dignity of women and wants to protect them from sexual abuse or assault should not be advocating or normalizing female promiscuity

Female promiscuity is, however, utterly irrelevant. Even an ardent prostitute does not deserve to be raped, and I think everyone here agrees with that.
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When being too sexually attractive–even to the point of becoming an exhibitionist or a prostitute!–becomes an excuse to any degree whatsoever for sexual assault, we are giving permission for another Sodom and Gomorrah.

No, the only excuse defense for these charges is the very real problem of the “retrospective no,”–the case where someone agrees to sexual activity and then later claims to have not given consent in retrospect, coming up with reasons that their consent should not have been believed by their sexual partner or reasons the partner ought to have seen his or her bids for agreement as coercive.

None of this would be an issue if people simply avoided sex outside of marriage, but there is such a thing as justice in assessing culpability, even within an objectively immoral situation, when the interchange took place between adults and neither was in a position of trust or power over the other. Persons in a position of trust or power have the added responsibility to avoid exploiting or misusing their position to take advantage of people under them or who ought to be able to trust them.

The #MeToo movement is about speaking up about those who misuse a position of power. It is about bosses or stars who banked on the maxim that: “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”

I don’t know about everyone else, but I was actually surprised at the brazenness and the habitual offenses of some of these predators, such as Charlie Rose’s staff saying, “Oh, that is just Charlie being Charlie” or Matt Lauer using the door lock that activated from his desk (which was actually installed for other reasons by previous occupants of the space) to prevent anyone from entering his office unannounced when he was alone with a woman inside. No. That kind of thing should never have been tolerated and it is a good thing to be very clear that people are being told to speak up when the pretended norms that the public was lead to believe were in place are violated.

 

[DarkLight]

My point is if a woman is known or presumed to be promiscuous some men feel entitled to touch her or harasss her and the rationalization is that she is promiscuous anyways. Some men don’t think even a promiscuous woman would or should reject. They assume if she’s easy then however they treat her is ok. I don’t think men experience this

Definitely. And unfortunately this sort of man also is often the type to jump at any excuse to believe a woman is promiscuous.

 

[Pup7]

My point is if a woman is known or presumed to be promiscuous some men feel entitled to touch her or harasss her and the rationalization is that she is promiscuous anyways. Some men don’t think even a promiscuous woman would or should reject. They assume if she’s easy then however they treat her is ok. I don’t think men experience this

Sure they do. And it’s pushed aside because they’re men.

What was the incident where Katy Perry grabbed that young man and kissed him, and he was basically told via social media that ‘it’s Katy Perry - be a man about it’?

Somehow I doubt that’s an isolated incident. Women objectify men all the time (we’ve all heard it) and think that just because they want the guy he should just go with it because that’s what a real man is supposed to do. I’ve had that conversation with male friends - it’s a real thing, and they don’t like it any more than we do.

But it’s not discussed because, well, they’re men.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I don’t but some see such movements as hypocritical. On one hand women should be respected regardless and on other hand women should feel entitled to act as free as they want without consequences.

 

[gcshapero]

My point is if a woman is known or presumed to be promiscuous some men feel entitled to touch her or harasss her and the rationalization is that she is promiscuous anyways. Some men don’t think even a promiscuous woman would or should reject. They assume if she’s easy then however they treat her is ok. I don’t think men experience this

You’re right that that can and has been the case many times.

Men have dealt with it vice-versa, but it’s presented differently. For example, my friend (who’s now married) was taunted and even physically assaulted when he rejected someone. He explained that he’s celibate and she coudln’t handle the rejection. She felt it was OK for her to do it because he’s a guy and should naturally want sex.

Being a guy currently can mean you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. My younger brother is currently a freshman in college. He chooses to be chaste. He has been made fun of and tried to be humiliated for it. But then these same people claim that men are evil and want nothing more than to sexually take advantage of women.

The same happened with VP Mike Pence. He refuses to be alone in a room with a woman that is not his wife, and he made it very clear. He was chastised by the media for this. But then all of the sexual abuse scandals in DC and Hollywood arose. That was largely his point. Now they can’t pin anything on him, but they’ll attack him for it anyway.

These people making both claims can’t have it both ways.

Anyway, we’re way off topic.

 

[Jump4Joy]

No, I definitely agree now that you mention it. Women can and do objectify and sexually harass men. Men aren’t considered the weaker sex so they aren’t taken as seriously. It is believed men want sex whenever wherever and from whomever.

 

[kill051]

I had never even heard of a ‘slut walk’ until three minutes ago when I saw it on this thread. I am still unsure of its meaning, but neither do I care to know. I must be more disconnected from pop culture than I had thought. I think I will continue to stay in my little rented room and pray. I have no wish to become even more depressed over the foolishness of modern society.

 

[Jump4Joy]

It’s not a bad thing to be disconnected from pop culture. While you’re at it, pray for me too

 

[Pup7]

There are reasons I refuse to watch the news. I hear you.

The only reason I know is because of my FB newsfeed - and then I just keep scrolling…

 

[kill051]

It’s not a bad thing to be disconnected from pop culture. While you’re at it, pray for me too

I surely will, as long as you will pray for me, too. Thank you.

 

[PetraG]

I don’t but some see such movements as hypocritical. On one hand women should be respected regardless and on other hand women should feel entitled to act as free as they want without consequences.

What “consequences” do these people think would be just? Really? Do they think that men should be able to find women wearing “rape-worthy” clothing and just take the liberty to do what they want if they can get such women alone? Honestly, I don’t think people think through the implications of what they’re saying.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I personally don’t feel that way. I’m summarizing what I think some people are trying to say. Promiscuity has its own consequences and I don’t think sexual assault should ever be one of them. People shouldn’t be punished for acting that way. The lifestyle brings about its own pain and suffering