Ouija Boards???

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Francis Ocoma:
Well, when it comes to that, do YOU have proof of your belief (or non-belief) about the after-life?
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As much proof as Catholics do - faith. Doesn’t make me right or wrong. Doesn’t make Catholics right or wrong. I think it is wrong that Catholics assume that whatever does not coincide with their beliefs is evil. They refuse to accept the fact that they might be wrong. There have been many cases of apparitions, spirits, etc. that are far from being evil encounters. Just because Catholics may believe that all souls go directly to hell, heaven or purgatory, does not mean that these spirits people encounter are just the devil in disguise.
If a person could still “hang around” with us after he dies, then this must mean that the afterlife is also some sort of a temporal world, a world bound by change, where people could still choose their actions.
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So in your version of the afterlife, people are just mindless zombies?
Frankly, such an afterlife is no different from those of the pagan mythologers, whose religions were merely a compendium of fairy tales and ghost stories.
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That is a rash generalization. As far as I’m concerned, I could say the same about the Catholic faith.
Such an afterlife would be an insult to Christ’s death. Do you think that Jesus died on the cross merely to give us some modernized Hades?
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Jesus died for his beliefs.
But if afterlife is something that could be affected by pieces of wood, then atheists would certainly have a more logical view of the world.
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When did I say the afterlife could be affected by ouija boards? Never. I said that it’s a possibility spirits of the deceased could be contacted. That’s not going to change the afterlife.
 
If Ouija boards are prohibited, does that mean that Nonnein boards are allowed?

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Megzy:
i take my abilities as a blessing…
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Take it as a blessing also that you’re not going to be 16 forever. 👍

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Thank you for the suggestion Wisdom. I do believe in praying for the intercession of saints. Yes, I’m a big LOTR fan.
 
the concept scare me to death. never would try it as a child, and even less liekly to do so as an adult.:bigyikes:
 
I haven’t read every post on this thread, so this might be redundant, but CCC 2113 - 2117 deals with spirits and divination. It is forbidden. If one is a practicing Catholic, ouija boards are forbidden and their use is a Mortal Sin, even if it is for someone’s “good.”
 
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BlessedBe13:
As much proof as Catholics do - faith. Doesn’t make me right or wrong. Doesn’t make Catholics right or wrong. I think it is wrong that Catholics assume that whatever does not coincide with their beliefs is evil.
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You’ll have to excuse us. We do not believe in moral relativity or agnosticism. 🙂
So in your version of the afterlife, people are just mindless zombies?
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Mindless zombies live in a temporal world (that is, hypothetically speaking :)), so, no…
Jesus died for his beliefs.
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So I suppose the argument “He died to save us from eternal damnation” won’t work for you, would it? 🙂
When did I say the afterlife could be affected by ouija boards? Never.
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Megzy said she used it to “help” souls “cross-over”. Seems like a claim to affect the afterlife to me.
 
Fact Sheet On The Ouija Board

by Dr. Robert A. Morey

I. WHAT IS WITCHCRAFT AND MAGIC?

The attempt to do, know or control things which man does not normally do, know or control. Example: Control the weather, know the future, make someone die or love you

II. WHAT ARE THE WAYS IT IS DONE?
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    A.  Speech: incantations, spells, chants, etc.

    B.  Feats: dancing, jumping, rocking, etc.

    C.  Pain: fire walking, beds of nails or glass, fishhooks, cuts, burns, etc.

    D.  Divination:  messages from the spirit world--mediums, séances, crystal ball, a table, stars, hand, head, ears, eyes, feet, tea leaves, pendulums, dice, talking boards, etc.
III. WHAT IS A "TALKING BOARD?
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    A  board used to receive messages from the spirits.

            1. The board has letters, numbers and words (yes/no).

            2. There is a pointer which spells out the messages pendulum, planchette, pencil, etc.
IV. WHEN WERE THEY INVENTED?
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    A.  Ancient pagan religions used them:  Asia, Africa, Middle East, and Europe.

    B.  Reintroduced in the 19th century.

            1.  In France: 1853 a spiritualist invented the "planchette" as a tool for mediums.

            2.  In U.S.: 1892 William Fuld invented "Ouija" board.

            3.  Other talking boards:  witch board, finger of fate, mystic moodoo, E.S.P., psychic, aye-see, etc.
V. WHAT DOES OUIJA MEAN?
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    A.  Fuld asked the board to name itself.  It spelled out "Ouija."

    B.  It combines two words for "yes" -- French  "oui" and German "ja."
VI. DID FULD USE THE BOARD FOR DIRECTIONS?

Yes. Major business deals determined by “ouija.” Fuld became a millionaire.

VII. IS IT ONLY A GAME?
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    A.  Fuld's company went to court in 1920 to establish it as a religious device to contact the spirit world.  They denied it was a "game."   They went all the way to the Supreme Court where it was acknowledged as a mediumistic tool.

    B.  Witches, Psychics, Parapsychologists view it as a mediumistic tool for automatic writing.

    C.  Serious users of it claim it is not a game.

    D.  Christian scholars do not think it is "just a game."

    E.  Psychologists and Doctors do not view it as a harmless game.

    F.  Who views it as a game?

            1.  ignorant parents

            2.  silly teens

            3. uneducated pastors
VIII. IS IT DANGEROUS?
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    A.  Spiritualists, Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Medical Doctors, Theologians and Scholars all say it can be very harmful.

    B.  Earnest Turley and Nellie Hurd would say so if they were alive. They were murdered through it.

    C.  Francisco Madero used it to justify overthrowing the Mexican government in 1910. Revolution came through it.

    D.  Fraud, immorality, drugs, divorce, assault, etc. have been traced back to a message from Ouija.

    E.  Demon possession can happen!  "The Exorcist" was based on a true story which began with Regan playing with Ouija.

    F.  Psychics say so.

    G.  Christian scholars say so.

    H.  Psychiatrists/Doctors say so.

    I.  Dr. Kurt Kock compiled hundreds of case histories.
IX. IS IT ALWAYS DEMONIC?

No. 80-90% of the time someone is making it work as a joke or it is the result of involuntary muscle movement. But there are 10-20% of the cases where contact is made with demons. Paranormal knowledge is given which cannot be explained.

X. WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT IT?

He calls it an “abomination” in Deut. 18:9-14. It was forbidden by the Old Testament and New Testament and was always condemned by Jews and Christians as satanic in origin.

Conclusion
WHAT MUST WE DO?
  1. Confess it as sin.
  2. Renounce Satan and all his works.
  3. Throw it away or burn it.
  4. Never play with it again.
 
“Witchboard” didn’t say anything about 2 people using a oiuji board bringing out demons,. but they did say, regarding its mechanics, that 1 person alone should not do it and that the opening to the spirit world is within the person using it (and not in the board itself, thus refuting the idea a toy company could not make something that could have any part in releasing demons into someplace or someone). I don’t know what the Church says about those mechanics but it does say that it contacts demons; not dead people. It says it gravely violates the 1st Commandment and the grave sin of superstition is committed. Also, necromancy is strictly prohibited by the Church.
Fr. Amorth covers sensitives and people with the gift of discernment in his books. I didn’t think the Church allowed them to ever use their abilities even if they are devoutly and obediently Catholic and use them only in helping the Church. Then again, Padre Pio did acquire gifts to use to help rthe Church. I think a knowledgeable bishop is the one to decide these things.
 
I know someone who used it. He said he would never use it again because of some things that took place. He refuses to tell me what happend. I would love to know though. I am going to ask him again about it.
 
pink said:
I know someone who used it. He said he would never use it again because of some things that took place. He refuses to tell me what happend. I would love to know though. I am going to ask him again about it.
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Yeah, I know people who have used it too. I have read some really crazy, “out there” stories also on other message boards.
 
Megzy said:
sorry, but i don’t think trying to help is bad. i don’t use it for bad purposes and i have powers that were given to me BY GOD so why can’t i use them. i have alot of power and i’m very in touch with spirits. That’s a God-given gift and i’m sure i have it for a purpose.

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Dear Megan,
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 If it is true that you have these powers that you speak of, then it looks to me like you wouldn't *need* a ouija board to do what you do.  I have heard of psychics doing things like helping the police solve crimes, and if I had psychic ability, I'd like to do something like that.  However, these folks don't use ouija boards, just their minds.  If a spirit contacts you, that's fine.  But if you try to contact a spirit, you don't have any way of knowing who is "answering the phone," so to speak.  My mom, of all people, was bored and started playing around with a ouija board, and it started cursing her, calling her b**** and the like.  I told her to throw it in the dumpster, and that I wouldn't get off the phone until she did.  This was a while back, so she's fine now.  

I don't know much about psychic ability or the church's teaching on it, but I thought I'd share my opinion, anyway.  :)
Tracy
 
tru_dvotion said:
God does not grant psychic abilities to anybody.

If you have them, you got them from Satan.

Satan will get you any way he can. Even through a board game.

You are in BIG trouble.

I’m glad you made a point to say this, because I wasn’t sure, to be honest with you. I thought God did give psychic abilities to some people.
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I tell ya all about the time my friend she brought over the board. She wanted to contact the dead, we had 2 other friends come over. Now half the basement was dedicated to my brothers room and it doubled as a rec room.

The four of us sat on (no ones home) my brothers bed, he was older and had been to mexico and bought a tacky black velvet of the devil and the 7 sins. so for “help” thats why my friend brought over the board. We started off and I felt awful so said I was going upstairs and did. They kept going.

I stood upstairs for quite a while, then thought, you know if something happens down there its gonna be my house thats haunted or whatever is gonna happen. So I went down the stairs, into the room and turned on the light.

What I saw was my 3 friends literally jump off the bed almost hit the ceiling screaming in terror, I had to calm them down, it took awhile.

What happened from their side was they had tried couple things and no result. Then they asked for a sign that they were being heard, exactly at that time, I turned on the light. Perfect timing? who knows?

They threw it out and didnt mess with it again.

One of satans greatest deals is, no one treats him seriously. They think of him as a game, fashion statement, thrill, black velvet art, silly little devil on a shoulder. And thats how he likes it.
 
Francis_Ocoma said:
Well, when it comes to that, do YOU have proof of your belief (or non-belief) about the after-life?

We believe that there is no possibility of change after one dies, since beyond this world there is only eternity. Thus, a person who dies cannot have any possible choice any more. If a person died in the state of grace, he cannot possibly postpone his going to heaven, because that is his place for eternity, even if he necessarily has to go through the temporal punishment of purgatory first. If he died in a state of sinfulness, then he must go to hell, and that’s that. There is no hesitation after death; there can only be either glory or suffering. That is the dogma of the Church, and that is what we believe is infallible, proof or no proof.

But think about this: If a person could still “hang around” with us after he dies, then this must mean that the afterlife is also some sort of a temporal world, a world bound by change, where people could still choose their actions. Frankly, such an afterlife is no different from those of the pagan mythologers, whose religions were merely a compendium of fairy tales and ghost stories. Such an afterlife would be an insult to Christ’s death. Do you think that Jesus died on the cross merely to give us some modernized Hades?
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From *Angels (and Demons); What Do We Really Know About Them? *by Peter Kreeft (Ignatius Press, 1995) … Ghosts are the spirits, or souls of human beings whose bodies have died. They may hover around the earth “haunting” material places, usually houses. There seem to be four possible reasons for this:

  1. *]They don’t yet realize they are dead.
    *]They were so attached to their material places or possessions that they can’t detach themselves from them and leave.
    *]They are working out some purification, penance, or purgatory, some remedial education or “reform school.”
    *]They are consoling their loved ones who have been bereaved.
 
MariaG said:
Do the spirits you contact try to give you any future knowledge or do you ask for any future knowledge? If so, this is not something God wishes you to do since He expressly forbids it.
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Didn’t the blessed Virgin Mary bring knowledge of future events to some that she appeared to?
 
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