Park Police Tear Gas Peaceful Protesters To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op

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Dr_Meinheimer said:
So you would lump those folks in with the folks claiming Trump is a fake-Christian I assume. Both are clueless, ignorant, and likely acting in a way very distasteful to God, biblically speaking.
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No, I would not. We don’t question a person’s professed faith on this forum.

Trump is fake in that much of his actions are done for effect: Calling himself a stable genius, throwing paper towels, etc. He seeks publicity for what he does and not all of his acts should be taken at face value.
 
Nepperhan said:
We don’t question a person’s professed faith on this forum.
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It’s okay to question it if the person doesn’t agree with Trump or thinks issues other than abortion can be discussed without bringing abortion into the discussion, or if you are a registered Democrat. You will be told you are evil, a baby killer, you hate God, you can’t be a true Catholic.

Actually I take that back. Your faith and religion won’t be questioned, it will be flat out stated that you aren’t Catholic or a christian, that you are evil and you hate God. Oh, and personally responsible for every abortion that ever took place.

See post above this as an example
 
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Ridgerunner said:
resorts to frivolous moralities like whether a president moves a crowd.
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I"m sorry you think the Archbishop of Washington DC has a hardened heart. He opposes abortion (actually opposes it, not like Trump’s 50% measure), and opposes Trump’s political stunts that have caused much pain:

“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace,” the archbishop said in a statement.

 
When Trump’s behavior becomes so egregious his supposed “Protection-Life” stance is all they’ve got.

Trump could do literally anything and for them it’s always back to abortion.
 
So the folks claiming Trump is a fake Christian are okay, but the folks who questions whether Obama is the anti-Christ are wrong? You said you wouldn’t lump them together, then seemed to act like questioning a person’s faith is wrong…

I don’t think any of any President’s actions should be taken at face value, nor do I fend them all to be truthful all the time. The made up motivation for Benghazi and the hot mic with Medvedev showed is that about the last President. Trump as a former businessman certainly has more theatrics and show than Obama, and at times, this is done for a reason. Whether or not that resonates with a person depends on the person.
 
thefederalist.com

Source Says Only Smoke Canisters, Not Tear Gas, Used On Protestors Before Trump's Arrival At Burned Church

"My source was on the scene, got a dose of smoke, but didn't feel the irritants of tear gas," reports WTOP's Neil Augenstein.
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…the reason the crowd was disbursed with smoke cannisters is that at that moment, officers were being pelted with water bottles. Another factor was that protesters had climbed on top of the structure at the north end of Lafayette Square that had been burned the day before.
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Although he acknowledges the fact that tear gas could have been used on the protestors by groups other than the Park Police, Augenstein points out the fact that the media continued to perpetuate and spread a narrative about tear gas that may not have been entirely true.
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Hmmm…
A former St. John’s minister, Gini Gerbasi, was among those attending to the protesters in front of the church when the police moved in.

“We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John’s, Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT [President Trump] COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!”
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Victoria33 said:
Saying these are ‘peaceful protests’ to me is meaningless. We don’t know if someone could have had a weapon, a rock and so on.

This after last night where one officer was killed and about 4 injured.

There have also been examples of where a black cop shoots a black male. Interesting, how this didn’t happen then.
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Okay…so police should start just assaulting random people because they may have a weapon or a rock.

Lets see how that works out.
 
Ralph said:
I’m afraid Trump is totally losing it. This action taken against peaceful protesters so that he could walk to a church and hold the Bible up in a defiant pose. As a Christian once again I’m bothered by his obvious pandering to Christians. For me it has the opposite effect of what I believe he wants.
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Perhaps you can name an ideal politician.

He’s not pandering. He’s done way more for the Christian cause than any politician in recent years.
 
I don’t know if the police used tear gas or smoke, but they did use flash bangs and apparently rubber bullets. It doesn’t really matter, at least to me. Anyone who has been in a cloud of HC smoke can tell you it is pretty bad - very irritating to the eyes, skin and lungs. It would seem like tear gas to someone who didn’t know the difference. What is undeniable is that the President used force to move peaceful protesters out of the way of his photo op.
 
Victoria33 said:
This whole story is based on a lie:
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Ben Shapiro reported something similar at the 16th minute mark. He said that park police reported that they used (non irritable) smoke grenades because they were being pelted with water bottles and protestors were climbing monument structures and that park police did not know that President Trump was going to visit the saint John’s church.


I will not respond to activists posting in bad faith.
 
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Oh we, have plenty examples.

I will note: that is the best live footage I have ever seen from the Bogside in Derry.
 
Victoria33 said:
Surprise, surprise.
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FAKE NEWS!

From the FB page of one of Epicopalean ministers who were there (there’s a link in the article I posted above)
Friends, I am ok, but I am, frankly shaken. I was at St. John’s, Lafayette Square most of the afternoon, with fellow clergy and laypeople - and clergy from some other denominations too. We were passing out water and snacks, and helping the patio area at St. John’s, Lafayette square to be a place of respite and peace. All was well - with a few little tense moments - until about 6:15 or so. By then, I had connected with the Black Lives Matter medic team, which was headed by an EMT. Those people were AMAZING. They had been on the patio all day, and thankfully had not had to use much of the eyewash they had made. Around 6:15 or 6:30, the police started really pushing protestors off of H Street (the street between the church and Lafayette Park, and ultimately, the White House. They started using tear gas and folks were running at us for eyewashes or water or wet paper towels. At this point, Julia, one of our seminarians for next year (who is a trauma nurse) and I looked at each other in disbelief. I was coughing, her eyes were watering, and we were trying to help people as the police - in full riot gear - drove people toward us. Julia and her classmates left and I stayed with the BLM folks trying to help people. Suddenly, around 6:30, there was more tear gas, more concussion grenades, and I think I saw someone hit by a rubber bullet - he was grasping his stomach and there was a mark on his shirt. The police in their riot gear were literally walking onto the St. John’s, Lafayette Square patio with these metal shields, pushing people off the patio and driving them back. People were running at us as the police advanced toward us from the other side of the patio. We had to try to pick up what we could. The BLM medic folks were obviously well practiced. They picked up boxes and ran. I was so stunned I only got a few water bottles and my spray bottle of eyewash. We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John’s, Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear. We were pushed back 20 feet, and then eventually - with SO MANY concussion grenades - back to K street. By the time I got back to my car, around 7, I was getting texts from people saying that Trump was outside of St. John’s, Lafayette Square. I literally COULD NOT believe it. WE WERE DRIVEN OFF OF THE PATIO AT ST. JOHN’S - a place of peace and respite and medical care throughout the day - SO THAT MAN COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT HE COULD POSE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH WITH A BIBLE! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!
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Continued below…
 
I am deeply shaken. I did not see any protestors throw anything until the tear gas and concussion grenades started, and then it was mostly water bottles. I am shaken, not so much by the taste of tear gas and the bit of a cough I still have, but by the fact that that show of force was for a PHOTO OPPORTUNITY. The patio of St. John’s, Lafayette square had been HOLY GROUND today. A place of respite and laughter and water and granola bars and fruit snacks. But that man turned it into a BATTLE GROUND first, and a cheap political stunt second. I am DEEPLY OFFENDED on behalf of every protestor, every Christian, the people of St. John’s, Lafayette square, every decent person there, and the BLM medics who stayed with just a single box of supplies and a backpack, even when I got too scared and had to leave. I am ok. But I am now a force to be reckoned with.
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I’ll take her word over the park police.
 
silentwitness said:
I will not respond to activists posting in bad faith.
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Will you respond to the Archbishop of Washington DC?

“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace,” the archbishop said in a statement.

Or how about research that shows police using force to disburse protestors causes more harm than good?


fivethirtyeight.com

De-escalation Keeps Protesters And Police Safer. Departments Respond With Force Anyway.

MINNEAPOLIS — Last Wednesday, Marcell Harris was hit by a rubber bullet. He had joined the second day of protests in this city over the killing of George Floyd, a black man who died after a police officer kneeled on his neck for more than eight minutes while bystanders filmed.
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