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teachccd said:
Are you saying that Jesus didn’t have the testoserone levels that the other guys have here?? I’m definitely not Jesus but I can control myself enough not to gawk at women at Mass. Your post is an insult to me and all decent men, thank you very much…
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dear teachccd,

I am sorry that you have been insulted.

there are many posts on this thread that are insults not only to decent men, but to decent women also. And all in the name of Jesus Christ.

take them with a grain of salt. you are a gentleman, and it is light which you bring to the darkness abounding.
 
deb1 said:
IN my own church, I wouldn’t react much differently then you do but Marilena’s church has a dress code and therefore has a right to enforce that code.

When I was younger, I knew a soldier who had just returned home from the First Gulf War. During this time, soldiers were allowed to enter the civilian areas of Saudi.(they can’t anymore) He told me that he was approached on a bus by a young Saudi male who informed him that his clothing was not acceptable. The young soldier thanked the Saudi male for correcting his mistake and returned to the base for a change of clothing. He told me that it was the Saudi’s country not his and they could set their own rules. Even at that time in my life-I was very, very liberal then- I admired the maturity of that young G.I.

I think the same thing applies to Marlena’s church, no one here has to agree with her church’s dress code but it is the Spx(did I get that correct) rule to attire one’s self in a certain manner. And that should be respected if one attends the church.
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I do apologize for butting in, but I was under the impression that it is God’s Church.

Noone is arguing that the woman ought to have shown better judgment when dressing that morning.
 
Julianna said:
may I ask to whom you are referring as the liberal element, as a matter of charity? No, nevermind…but let me say, I am independent, not a liberal. I leave the souls to God…and the big things…the little things like clothing…faghettaboutit…if I’m at mass…what you are wearing is no concern of mine. I will smile and greet you, I will offer you my hand at the sign of peace, however, if you your head is bowed, and your hands are clasped in prayer, I will leave you to it. I will not heavy hand you into my way of thinking, nor threaten your immortal soul, not my job…I leave that to the the “extremists” among you to handle, and so far, it seems you are doing a bang up job. WTG 👍
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When push comes to shove—you start throwing everything else into the picture. Now its threatening the immortal soul.

You speak of charity—yet leave out the part —that charity also demands fraternal correction. True charity—is offering fraternal correction when it is needed—so yes —those you call extremists----are doing just what the Church intends. Our demeanor–whether thru actions or clothing --does reflect our relationship to our Lord. Do we love and respect Him enough to attend Mass in clothes that show that respect.

So integrate that into your independent mind—charity and fraternal correction go hand in hand.
 
maurin said:
I do apologize for butting in, but I was under the impression that it is God’s Church.

Noone is arguing that the woman ought to have shown better judgment when dressing that morning.
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Is correction not allowed in God’s Church?
 
Walking_Home said:
When push comes to shove—you start throwing everything else into the picture. Now its threatening the immortal soul.

You speak of charity—yet leave out the part —that charity also demands fraternal correction. True charity—is offering fraternal correction when it is needed—so yes —those you call extremists----are doing just what the Church intends. Our demeanor–whether thru actions or clothing --does reflect our relationship to our Lord. Do we love and respect Him enough to attend Mass in clothes that show that respect.

So integrate that into your independent mind—charity and fraternal correction go hand in hand.
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Admonish the sinner. A spiritual work of mercy. Maybe long forgotten in the last fourty years?
 
i think the gist of what others are saying is that the woman in question is spoke of, they are more concenred with her spiritual welfare and just beingat Mass than her being dressed properly for the Mass. correct? i think so. but it also effects the spiritual harmony of others who might be offended at such attire correct? the ones offended are offended because it offends our Lord.
 
Jesus said that it is what is in the inside that defiles us not what is on the outside. I don’t condone immodest dress at Mass but we have over 370 posts throwing stones at this woman. A person can be covered from head to toe and look outwardly pious and have a soul stained with sin.Have we all looked at ourselves and asked whether or not we’ve brought ourselves to Mass in the state of chastity and purity that Our Lord would expect from His disciples??

There is a story that I once heard about two monks traveling down a country road. They see a scantily clad woman who is weak and can barely walk. One of the monks picked her up and carried her across the stream and set her down. About an hour later, the other monk stated that he was sort of shocked that his brother would pick up a woman so indecently attired. The monk responded," When I set her down at the other side of the stream I left her there. You’re still carrying her."

How many more posts until we look at our own failures and pray for this woman and set her down???:confused:
 
maurin said:
dear teachccd,

I am sorry that you have been insulted.

there are many posts on this thread that are insults not only to decent men, but to decent women also. And all in the name of Jesus Christ.

take them with a grain of salt. you are a gentleman, and it is light which you bring to the darkness abounding.
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Thank you and God Bless you…🙂
 
teachccd said:
Jesus said that it is what is in the inside that defiles us not what is on the outside. I don’t condone immodest dress at Mass but we have over 370 posts throwing stones at this woman. A person can be covered from head to toe and look outwardly pious and have a soul stained with sin.Have we all looked at ourselves and asked whether or not we’ve brought ourselves to Mass in the state of chastity and purity that Our Lord would expect from His disciples??

There is a story that I once heard about two monks traveling down a country road. They see a scantily clad woman who is weak and can barely walk. One of the monks picked her up and carried her across the stream and set her down. About an hour later, the other monk stated that he was sort of shocked that his brother would pick up a woman so indecently attired. The monk responded," When I set her down at the other side of the stream I left her there. You’re still carrying her."

How many more posts until we look at our own failures and pray for this woman and set her down???:confused:
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that story is excellent. i only stated what i stated to her not because of who she may or may not be, but because i felt offended that anyone would dress so because it offends our Lord.
 
teachccd said:
Jesus said that it is what is in the inside that defiles us not what is on the outside. I don’t condone immodest dress at Mass but we have over 370 posts throwing stones at this woman. A person can be covered from head to toe and look outwardly pious and have a soul stained with sin.Have we all looked at ourselves and asked whether or not we’ve brought ourselves to Mass in the state of chastity and purity that Our Lord would expect from His disciples??
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No one is judging this woman’s inward piety, Teachccd, but she was wearing inappropriate immodest attire to Mass. Someone who is covered in head to toe and has a soul stained with sin at least would not be leading others into sin by their appearance. This woman’s scandalous attire could and probably did lead men and boys into sin and provoke lustful thoughts. The Mass is one place we should not have to worry about that happening, don’t you think? So I applaud Marilena for her courageous action.
 
teachccd said:
Are you saying that Jesus didn’t have the testoserone levels that the other guys have here?? I’m definitely not Jesus but I can control myself enough not to gawk at women at Mass. Your post is an insult to me and all decent men, thank you very much…
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Geez oh Pete, did ya see the 😉 after the post?
The smilies are there for a reason my friend.

As I stated at one point in this very long thread, my husband would have looked and been embarrassed. Perhaps you would have done the same, but if he isn’t looking at her wearing a second skin, there is something wrong.

Don’t look to be insulted and you won’t.
I must be used to the men on this board who come back with a snappy retort. I guess you’re not one of them.
 
teachccd said:
Jesus said that it is what is in the inside that defiles us not what is on the outside. I don’t condone immodest dress at Mass but we have over 370 posts throwing stones at this woman. A person can be covered from head to toe and look outwardly pious and have a soul stained with sin.Have we all looked at ourselves and asked whether or not we’ve brought ourselves to Mass in the state of chastity and purity that Our Lord would expect from His disciples??

There is a story that I once heard about two monks traveling down a country road. They see a scantily clad woman who is weak and can barely walk. One of the monks picked her up and carried her across the stream and set her down. About an hour later, the other monk stated that he was sort of shocked that his brother would pick up a woman so indecently attired. The monk responded," When I set her down at the other side of the stream I left her there. You’re still carrying her."

How many more posts until we look at our own failures and pray for this woman and set her down???:confused:
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We aren’t to judge peoples interior souls NO ONE has done that here at all. BUT we are allowed to correct our fellow brother or sister in sin, in fact it is our duty, that’s all Marilena did, charitably and aside rfom other parishoners.

This idea that we are to abide in sin simply as to not offend our fellow Christian is a new idea to Christianity, and it has no business in the Church. No one is saying this woman is damned, they’re saying she showed poor judgment and Marilena did well in correcting her, that’s all anyone has said. Some folks have even claimed that this may cause the womans soul to be lost? WHAT??? Being told not to wear hot pants to Mass will be responsible for losing the woman’s immortal soul? This is why we never hear homilies on abortion, divorce, promiscuity, the hard stuff, we don’t want to offend, so we allow others to abide in their sin without correction, and frankly it’s wrong period.
 
Ecce_homo said:
We aren’t to judge peoples interior souls NO ONE has done that here at all. BUT we are allowed to correct our fellow brother or sister in sin, in fact it is our duty, that’s all Marilena did, charitably and aside rfom other parishoners.

This idea that we are to abide in sin simply as to not offend our fellow Christian is a new idea to Christianity, and it has no business in the Church. No one is saying this woman is damned, they’re saying she showed poor judgment and Marilena did well in correcting her, that’s all anyone has said. Some folks have even claimed that this may cause the womans soul to be lost? WHAT??? Being told not to wear hot pants to Mass will be responsible for losing the woman’s immortal soul? This is why we never hear homilies on abortion, divorce, promiscuity, the hard stuff, we don’t want to offend, so we allow others to abide in their sin without correction, and frankly it’s wrong period.
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:amen:
 
teachccd said:
Jesus said that it is what is in the inside that defiles us not what is on the outside. I don’t condone immodest dress at Mass but we have over 370 posts throwing stones at this woman.
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That is unfair. There are no stones here. I could easily say that moral laxism is at work. We have lowered the bar to such a degree we no longer are scandalized at things that should scandalize. Perhaps we need to better inform our consciences.
A person can be covered from head to toe and look outwardly pious and have a soul stained with sin.Have we all looked at ourselves and asked whether or not we’ve brought ourselves to Mass in the state of chastity and purity that Our Lord would expect from His disciples??
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What does that have to do with public displays of immodesty? That is the point here. No one is claiming we ought to go around attempting to read thoughts or hearts. Seeing a public display is another matter entirely.
There is a story that I once heard about two monks traveling down a country road. They see a scantily clad woman who is weak and can barely walk. One of the monks picked her up and carried her across the stream and set her down. About an hour later, the other monk stated that he was sort of shocked that his brother would pick up a woman so indecently attired. The monk responded," When I set her down at the other side of the stream I left her there. You’re still carrying her."
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We all are at different levels of holiness and we all need to respect our Lord. That is why some Church’s have dress codes. That some are weaker than others is no excuse to blame those who take legitimate offense. We are our brother’s keeper.
How many more posts until we look at our own failures and pray for this woman and set her down???:confused:
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How does recognizing immodesty become transformed into that thought?
 
fix said:
Is correction not allowed in God’s Church?
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Dear fix,

thank you phrasing that in the form of a question. You have respected me by not putting words or intentions into my mouth, and I am quite grateful to you for that.

Of course correction is allowed in God’s Church. As has been pointed out, it is one of the Spiritual Acts of Mercy.

The issue at hand is not correction. It is the appropriateness of the correction. If this woman were an aquaintance of the OP, or a family member, I would have said, “good for you, OP!” But as a stranger, never having seen this woman before, it was not her place to say a word to the offensively dressed woman. Damage could be done beyond the OP’s ability to repair. Say something to an usher or to Father? of course.

Prudence was not a consideration, and is not it seems, on this thread.
 
Walking_Home said:
:amen:
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I second that one!

This is why we never hear homilies on abortion, divorce, promiscuity, the hard stuff, we don’t want to offend, so we allow others to abide in their sin without correction, and frankly it’s wrong period.
 
how bout if i ask the question posted from a different point of view? what if i were to go to a mass where the dress code was only jeans an a t shirt, or shorts? i went there dressed in a long dress and a mantilla? would the reaction be the same or not?
 
maurin said:
But as a stranger, never having seen this woman before, it was not her place to say a word to the offensively dressed woman. Damage could be done beyond the OP’s ability to repair. Say something to an usher or to Father? of course.

Prudence was not a consideration, and is not it seems, on this thread.
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:eek:

I will say it again!
I would rather be corrected by a woman who has never met me before than the Priest!!!
 
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