Paul Ryan!!

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Rich_Olszewski said:
Because he does! I’m 70 and dread what Ryan wants to do to us seniors. Romney could have done better. 😦
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I’m 58, and while I understand your dread based on the rhetoric from the current administration, I far more fearful of what the ACA (Authoritarian Healthcare Act) has done. The current president has stolen 700 billion dollars of you money and mine that we’ve paid into Medicare sinse we were young to pay for his confiscation of our health care freedom to choose.

The fact is that Medicare will not survive financially as it is currently constructed. That fact may not effect you, and possibly not me, but if a person is in their 20’s or 30’s, they will have to be taxed heavily in the future to maintain it, and to pay for the debts incurred to pay for us. I don’t want that for my kids and grandkids.

Jon
 
stinkcat_14 said:
The best way to save medicare is to base it on the benefit principle. Those who benefit from it, seniors, should pay for it. Why should working people be forced to sacrifice for seniors who don’t work? Nobody has the right to demand that others make sacrifices for them.
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Then education taxes should be paid for by those who benefit from it. Why should working people be forced to sacrifice for young people who don’t work? :rolleyes:

What about seniors who worked all their life and can no longer work, yet can’t afford proper healthcare?
 
JimR-OCDS said:
This had to be the dumbest choice for VP since McCain’s choice in Palin.

Romney needs the independent vote, not the base conservative Republican vote.

Choosing Ryan, sends the independents to Obama, or they’ll just stay home, in which chase, Obama wins.

Fact is, by choosing Ryan, Romney will lose his own state of Massachusetts.

Jim
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I think he was more afraid of losing the conservative vote then gaining the independent vote. I think he just lost the election.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
The best way to save medicare is to base it on the benefit principle. Those who benefit from it, seniors, should pay for it. Why should working people be forced to sacrifice for seniors who don’t work? Nobody has the right to demand that others make sacrifices for them.
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Because those who cannot work due to their age do not deserve to live in misery?
 
JonNC said:
I’m 58, and while I understand your dread based on the rhetoric from the current administration, I far more fearful of what the ACA (Authoritarian Healthcare Act) has done. The current president has stolen 700 billion dollars of you money and mine that we’ve paid into Medicare sinse we were young to pay for his confiscation of our health care freedom to choose.

The fact is that Medicare will not survive financially as it is currently constructed. That fact may not effect you, and possibly not me, but if a person is in their 20’s or 30’s, they will have to be taxed heavily in the future to maintain it, and to pay for the debts incurred to pay for us. I don’t want that for my kids and grandkids.

Jon
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Medicare and Medicaid will survive just fine, if they don’t gut it.

Obama Care actually helps save Medicaid, because people under 65 will now be transferred onto private health insurance plans, rather than medicaid. They will also receive better care because medicaid doesn’t pay for everything, as private insurance will.

Ask a senior who is retired, why they have to buy supplemental health insurance to pay for the things medicaid doesn’t?

Jim
 
Miriam1947 said:
Why do you think that? The ones who will be given a choice about Medicare will be your generation. Everything stays the same for me.
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I think maybe some seniors besides worrying and having concerns about what might actually happen to them, also care about other generations having the same as you do now. In the case of Medicare for it not be privatized.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
What about seniors who worked all their life and can no longer work, yet can’t afford proper healthcare?
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First of all, anyone who has had forty years in the labor force and not saved for retirement and healthcare in their older years ought to be ashamed of themselves. That is a moral failure, especially when they spent money on necessities such as cable tv, cell phones, bigger houses and new cars.

Second, most seniors have houses that they have paid off. They can sell their house and pay their medical bills. Or take money out of their IRAs. But why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s. Finally, there is charity and children to cover what is left over.
 
threedogday said:
Look at the bright side, CMatt. This will probably bring the bishops and the goods sister together. Both agree that Ryan’s budget proposals would be a disaster for the poor.
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Good point. Here’s to at least hopin.
 
Teen4Christ said:
Because those who cannot work due to their age do not deserve to live in misery?
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There are plenty of welfare recipients who can work, but would rather collect the dole than work. The number who can perform no work are very few.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
First of all, anyone who has had forty years in the labor force and not saved for retirement and healthcare in their older years ought to be ashamed of themselves. That is a moral failure, especially when they spent money on necessities such as cable tv, cell phones, bigger houses and new cars.

Second, most seniors have houses that they have paid off. They can sell their house and pay their medical bills. Or take money out of their IRAs. But why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s. Finally, there is charity and children to cover what is left over.
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Yea, those deadbeats that made minimum wage all their life should be ashamed.

Those people who worked to have a home, can sell that home and move to the streets.

What you’re espousing is every person for themselves. That dog won’t hunt in this race.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Medicare and Medicaid will survive just fine, if they don’t gut it.

Obama Care actually helps save Medicaid, because people under 65 will now be transferred onto private health insurance plans, rather than medicaid. They will also receive better care because medicaid doesn’t pay for everything, as private insurance will.

Ask a senior who is retired, why they have to buy supplemental health insurance to pay for the things medicaid doesn’t?

Jim
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Then why not transfer seniors who choose it into private health care plans. That is, after all, what the current president promised (“If you like your current plan, you can keep it” [except for Catholic institutions, of course]). In the current plan, it will only survive via huge tax increases, and there isn’t enough potential tax money amongst the “rich” (they already pay faaaar more than there fair share) to pay for it, AND/OR, huge reductions in available services (rationing and queuing).

Jon
 
archangel04 said:
Most of them are Catholic in name only
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Correct - any Catholic who promotes the following ceased to be Catholic long ago:
  1. Abortion
  2. Euthanasia
  3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research
  4. Same sex so-called marriage
  5. Human cloning
The Dems have become the “party of death”.
 
Teen4Christ said:
Romney just handed Obama the senior vote on a silver platter.

What a moronic selection.
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You’re wrong. I’m a senior and on Social Security and I understand what the Dems are doing. Give us a break, most of us seniors can think for themselves. I never voted for Obama and never will this time, and most of the seniors I know aren’t either.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
First of all, anyone who has had forty years in the labor force and not saved for retirement and healthcare in their older years ought to be ashamed of themselves. That is a moral failure, especially when they spent money on necessities such as cable tv, cell phones, bigger houses and new cars.

Second, most seniors have houses that they have paid off. They can sell their house and pay their medical bills. Or take money out of their IRAs. But why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s. Finally, there is charity and children to cover what is left over.
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Babyboomers put us in the situation we are at due to big spending. Now that they are getting old they want the younger generations to pay for their SS/Medicare, this does not include the pensions and 401k that most will be getting from their former employment, it’s the typical selfish mentality that they have grow up with. The younger generations are far less than babyboomers, with less jobs and prices going up how in the world can we continue paying for it? I say that if you have retirement savings then you shouldn’t receive SS.
 
Teen4Christ said:
Medicare Advantage is a seperate enity from standard Medicare, which saving is dire, even if it will lead to higher taxation. Ryans plan to convert to a voucher program is misguided and a shameless attempt to cater to the fiscal right. Seniors deserve defined and structured benifits.
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Show me an alternative plan. Ryan’s plan will save medicare from bankruptcy as medicare trustees predics will happen by 2024 if solutions are not found
 
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