Paul Ryan!!

[JonNC]

=stinkcat_14;9636571]First of all, anyone who has had forty years in the labor force and not saved for retirement and healthcare in their older years ought to be ashamed of themselves. That is a moral failure, especially when they spent money on necessities such as cable tv, cell phones, bigger houses and new cars.

The problem with this is that seniors, and I’m close to that, have been promised since the passage of the Medicare ACT in the 60’s that if they pay into Medicare their health care will be provided for. I don’t know how old you are, but I was a kid in the '60’s, so I grew up with that promise, and its consequential confiscation of my money. In a way, I did pay for my health care and (part of) retirement. I shudder in disgust to think of how much retirment money I would have in seven years if the government had actaully invested my Social Security money in interest-bearing accounts over the last 40+ years, instead of stealing and spending it as part of the general fund.

Second, most seniors have houses that they have paid off. They can sell their house and pay their medical bills. Or take money out of their IRAs. But why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s. Finally, there is charity and children to cover what is left over.

That doesn’t change the promise made. What it should do, however, is be a lesson to younger Americans; be prepared to fend for yourself (individual repsonsibility), and **never **trust a government promise. In an era of “You deserve something for nothing” and “You didn’t build that”, it might be hard for that message to get through.

Jon

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yup, my thoughts exactly.

As far as Ryan being a good Catholic, the USCCB’s said is budget proposal failed morally.

Jim

Cardinal Dolan had good things to say about Ryan’s budget proposal. The “USCCB” condemnation of the Ryan budget is from two far left bishops who don’t speak for the entire conference.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Yea, those deadbeats that made minimum wage all their life should be ashamed.

Those people who worked to have a home, can sell that home and move to the streets.

What you’re espousing is every person for themselves. That dog won’t hunt in this race.

Those deadbeats who made minimum wage all their lives? Let’s look at the data. About 5% of workers make the minimum wage or less. About half of those people are under 25. Once you get above 25 the probability of earning minimum wage falls dramatically. And if you divide it by education, once you earn an associates degree it is incredibly unlikely that you will earn the minimum wage. And of course, if you earn the minimum wage the government will practically pay you to get an associates degree. So why should we feel sorry for someone who is so unmotivated that they want to spend 47 years earning minimum wage?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Babyboomers put us in the situation we are at due to big spending. Now that they are getting old they want the younger generations to pay for their SS/Medicare, this does not include the pensions and 401k that most will be getting from their former employment, it’s the typical selfish mentality that they have grow up with. The younger generations are far less than babyboomers, with less jobs and prices going up how in the world can we continue paying for it? I say that if you have retirement savings then you shouldn’t receive SS.

Most baby boomers I’ve spoken to, some in this forum, don’t give a **** about how its paid for, they are demanding their SS checks…they’ve “earned” them. If it ruins the economy for future generations, too bad.

 

[meltzerboy]

Then education taxes should be paid for by those who benefit from it. Why should working people be forced to sacrifice for young people who don’t work?

What about seniors who worked all their life and can no longer work, yet can’t afford proper healthcare?

Exactly. And how many seniors can afford to pay the full cost for their health care and prescription drugs today without Medicare, except for Romney? Further, health care costs generally don’t decline as one ages.

 

[Teen4Christ]

You’re wrong. I’m a senior and on Social Security and I understand what the Dems are doing. Give us a break, most of us seniors can think for themselves. I never voted for Obama and never will this time, and most of the seniors I know aren’t either.

I’m sure they shall have that mindset…in utah.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Yup, my thoughts exactly.

As far as Ryan being a good Catholic, the USCCB’s said is budget proposal failed morally.

Jim

Two Bishops criticised the plan, Bishop Pates and Bishop Blaire and they are entitled to their opinion. Bishop Earl criticised those 2 Bishops criticism of the budget and Bishop Naumann has said solutions that place emphasis in enrolling people in government programs have been ‘tried for decades’ and failed.

Bishop Morlino of [Wisconsin](http://www.faith(name removed by moderator)ubliclife.org/blog/wisconsin-catholic-bishop-contradicts-usccb-to-support-paul-ryan) has said Ryan’s ‘approach’ was responsible and ‘in accordance with Catholic principles’ on EWTN’s world over live:

MORLINO: Congressman Ryan has made his prudential judgment about how best to serve the long-term needs of the poor. He has done that in accord with Catholic principles. I don’t have to approve his decision or his budget or anything else. What I do approve of is that he is a responsible Catholic layman who understands his mission and carries it out very responsibly. I feel very strongly about that. The details of his solution are not mine to approve or disapprove, that’s not my field.

 

[_Abyssinia]

And that’s my only complaint! At 58, I’m not far from Medicare. I will “yell” it: I DON’T WANT MY HEALTH CARE CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT!! I want the CHOICE of a voucher for premiums to continue my private health care plan. After all, its MY money that I paid in since I was in my teens!! The current president said I can keep my current plan, and that’s what I want. In short, I don’t trust the government to do my health care.

I said in earlier threads that I wanted to vote for one of the Catholic candidates for president. That didn’t happen, but now I have the honor of voting for the true Catholic for vice president!

Jon

 

[JonNC]

Babyboomers put us in the situation we are at due to big spending. Now that they are getting old they want the younger generations to pay for their SS/Medicare, this does not include the pensions and 401k that most will be getting from their former employment, it’s the typical selfish mentality that they have grow up with. The younger generations are far less than babyboomers, with less jobs and prices going up how in the world can we continue paying for it? I say that if you have retirement savings then you shouldn’t receive SS.

You are exactly right on this!!! And yet the younger voters seem bent on continuing the mistakes of my generation by voting for the same kind of people who put us in this position in the first place. Obama is LBJ on steroids (figuratively).

Jon

 

[_Abyssinia]

Well at least they managed to get the one guy of color in the head shot. Haven’t seen any others in the crowd.

I saw multiple people of colour in the crowd but why does it matter. What has race got do with it? Republicans do not play race politics

 

[meltzerboy]

Most baby boomers I’ve spoken to, some in this forum, don’t give a **** about how its paid for, they are demanding their SS checks…they’ve “earned” them. If it ruins the economy for future generations, too bad.

Wait twenty years, Scott, and observe your own reactions. (Social Security is predicted to be all right until about 2036, so you have time.) Not only class warfare, but age warfare. Who would’ve thunk it?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Most baby boomers I’ve spoken to, some in this forum, don’t give a **** about how its paid for, they are demanding their SS checks…they’ve “earned” them. If it ruins the economy for future generations, too bad.

Well, I’ve worked all my life paying into Social Security and Medicaid, so the previous generation would be able to retire and have medical care. FYI, the baby boomers didn’t start social security and medicare, that was two generations ago.

Now you’re saying to us who are too old to be employed, too bad, sell your house and live off the money until you’re in the street.

Such attitudes, will help to promote the arguments for euthanasia.

If you can’t support yourself you can not become a burden to society, so the government will put you to sleep like we do dogs.

Jim

 

[JonNC]

I saw multiple people of colour in the crowd but why does it matter. What has race got do with it? Republicans do play race politics

Race has everything to do with it, from a progressive POV. There moto is e pluribus pluribus. Divide and pit people against each other. We saw it from European progressives all through the last century. Its their MO for gaining and keeping power.

Jon

 

[CMatt25]

First of all, anyone who has had forty years in the labor force and not saved for retirement and healthcare in their older years ought to be ashamed of themselves. That is a moral failure, especially when they spent money on necessities such as cable tv, cell phones, bigger houses and new cars.

Second, most seniors have houses that they have paid off. They can sell their house and pay their medical bills. Or take money out of their IRAs. But why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s. Finally, there is charity and children to cover what is left over.

I’m not sure you realize how much some homes are worth nowadays in comparison to what medical bills could add up to. And some can’t afford to just sell their houses and make a move in this environment or not only have medical bills but be homeless too. Their children have concerns too for themselves and their children making ends meet. And charity can’t do it all alone.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Race has everything to do with it, from a progressive POV. There moto is e pluribus pluribus. Divide and pit people against each other. We saw it from European progressives all through the last century. Its their MO for gaining and keeping power.

Jon

It is absolutely disgusting. A human being is just that. It is not a person of colour in the crowd supporting Romney, that person is another human being

 

[meltzerboy]

Now we are talking!

As my friend’s late Sicilian uncle used to say about politicians as he turned off the television: “It’s all-a bulls–t.”

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Paul Ryan is one of the conservative rising stars and will make a fine leader one day. A great choice for Romney! Just sorry to lose Ryan in the Senate.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Those deadbeats who made minimum wage all their lives? Let’s look at the data. About 5% of workers make the minimum wage or less. About half of those people are under 25. Once you get above 25 the probability of earning minimum wage falls dramatically. And if you divide it by education, once you earn an associates degree it is incredibly unlikely that you will earn the minimum wage. And of course, if you earn the minimum wage the government will practically pay you to get an associates degree. So why should we feel sorry for someone who is so unmotivated that they want to spend 47 years earning minimum wage?

Minimum wage was worst case scenario. Many that moved up, didn’t move up to 401ks or elaborate retirements. Then the people who lost money through health, or other tragedies, what about them?

Some ‘unmotivated’ never had other choices, but to work for what they could earn.

What you suggest would put people on the streets, or worse. Does that not bother you in the least? Did Christ teach every person for themselves? Show me where please.

 

[Abba]

I shudder in disgust to think of how much retirment money I would have in seven years if the government had actaully invested my Social Security money in interest-bearing accounts over the last 40+ years, instead of stealing and spending it as part of the general fund.

There’s the rub.

The government should submit a complete annual financial report to its citizens. Just like we have to file a financial report to the government. Where did the money go!!!

 

[_Abyssinia]

Pro-Life Groups Applaud Selection of Pro-Life Rep. Paul Ryan

lifenews.com/2012/08/11/pro-life-groups-applaud-selection-of-pro-life-rep-paul-ryan

Ryan has 100% pro life voting record

nrlc.capwiz.com/bio/id/630