Paul Ryan!!

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meltzerboy said:
Republicans do not play race politics? Is that why there is the current false Romney ad which states Obama has increased welfare without work, leaving out the state waivers provision, which Romney himself has favored? The ad which also states that Obama has negated the Bill Clinton initiative (triggered by Gingrich), which Clinton has denied? And why Gingrich has made it a point of endlessly repeating that Obama is the food-stamp President, which is not even true, when one compares the number of people on food stamps under GWB? No racial overtones, no race politics here?
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Welfare ad is not false and it has nothing to with race so I do not understand how you are making any connection.

The bill Clinton signed specifically said you have to be employed in a job to collect welfare, and it specifically says you can not change or expand the definition of work beyond what is in the bill. Obama, likely illegally, expanded this to mean job education, training, apprenticeships, all sorts. Clinton welfare reform took power back from the states and Obama said you may consider work if it is training, going back to school etc. Specifically lists what the states may do. Obama’s changes empower states to do a list of specific activities that replace work which guts the key part of the welfare bill, it changes the welfare bill

More people are on food stamps under Obama than they were under George W Bush and food stamp expenses have doubled since 2008

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/FoodStampChart-1.jpg

You are making race connections when there are none
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Actually, if you look at the data, households in the US own about $16 trillion in real estate and have about $9.7 trillion in mortgage debt. So we still have quite a bit of housing equity in the aggregate, and seniors possess a large share of that equity, which can be used for medical bills.
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Hmm I know seniors who have worked hard their entire lives. Still are. Even though aren’t in the best of health. Never took food stamps or any government aid. Make ends meet a bit more comfortably now that they get some Social Security. But owe more than their home is worth. But thank God they qualify for Medicare.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
And what about the money they paid into the system?

I’m sorry, but you’ll not find the support from seniors for your proposals.
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Welfare recipients never like welfare reform. As to the money people paid into the system, let them sue to government to get it back.
Christ told the man of means to sell all he had and give to the poor and to follow Him. There was no teaching similar to what you propose.
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2 Thessalonians 3:10
 
stinkcat_14 said:
When seniors demand that other’s sacrifice for them, how is that being Christlike?
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Honor your mother and your father…there was a teaching, and understanding of the aging.

I’m out of this discussion. It has a disgusting tone to it.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Welfare recipients never like welfare reform. As to the money people paid into the system, let them sue to government to get it back.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
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A single verse against the entire Gospel message. I’m shocked at the spin.
 
Abba said:
Now we are talking!
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I will try to be as charitable as I can but you represent what is a major flaw in a democratic/republic system.

On the one hand you say that you don’t keep up with politics having never heard of Paul Ryan. Then you ask if he is the one who wants to shorten the life spans of the elderly. And then you give a thumbs up to throwing all politicians out and starting over again.

I may be wrong, but I’ll bet you get your news from the alphabet channels or CNN. Please, please, if you are going to vote in the upcoming election, try to keep an open mind and educate yourself on the issues that are important to you. Try to get both sides’ views from creditable sources so that your vote won’t be wasted on “feelings”.

If you think Obama has been good for the country and things are better than when he took office and he has brought us together as he promised, then by all means, cast your vote to give him another four years.

Peace and God bless
 
Teen4Christ said:
Well thanks for that.

Another flaw is that Ryan is so far to the right, it will alienate undecideds and moderates. I can understand why that would appeal to you all as a conservative catholic community, but bigger picture…it will hurt.
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You liberals and teens for Christ need to get you criticisms straight. If the Republicans run a moderate, you chide him for being a fake conservative. If they run a Conservative, you chide him for being conservative.

Given your party’s last two nominees are a fallen from grace philanderer and a guy who misspeaks as though he’s the product of an experiment using Dan Quayle and Alexander Haig’s DNA, I’d reserve judgement if I were you.

Ryan is respected in Congress, and extremely intelligent. We’ll see how he impacts the ticket, but this is certainly good ground to start from.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Paul Ryan is one of the conservative rising stars and will make a fine leader one day. A great choice for Romney! Just sorry to lose Ryan in the Senate.
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He can’t be that big of a star if you didn’t know he was in the House.
 
meltzerboy said:
If one is in the middle class, this is not necessarily a permanent thing, unlike the caste system. There is downward as well as upward mobility. Some previously in the middle class have become the working poor. Life doesn’t always work out the way one chooses.
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The problem is, medicare the way it is set up, does not discriminate between rich and poor people. About 10% of seniors are in poverty. Of course, part of the problem is how we measure the poverty rate, since we exclude things like in kind sources of income and transfer payments. The problem, however, is that we subsidize health insurance for rich and poor alike, and that is making us broke. Someone can have $1 million in a 401k and still think he is entitled to subsidized insurance.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Welfare ad is not false and it has nothing to with race so I do not understand how you are making any connection.

The bill Clinton signed specifically said you have to be employed in a job to collect welfare, and it specifically says you can not change or expand the definition of work beyond what is in the bill. Obama, likely illegally, expanded this to mean job education, training, apprenticeships, all sorts. Clinton welfare reform took power back from the states and Obama said you may consider work if it is training, going back to school etc. Specifically lists what the states may do. Obama’s changes empower states to do a list of specific activities that replace work which guts the key part of the welfare bill, it changes the welfare bill

More people are on food stamps under Obama than they were under George W Bush and food stamp expenses have doubled since 2008

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/FoodStampChart-1.jpg

You are making race connections when there are none
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I would not say one cannot criticize Obama’s policies without the criticism’s being racist. I don’t approve of everything Obama has done either. However, in the case of the welfare ad, I believe there are subtle racial overtones, and I believe the same is true regarding Gingrich’s food-stamp comment. It’s a Republican theme that goes back to the Willie Horton ads of 1988 and before that to Nixon, except that those ads were more explicit. Thanks for the correction about the incidence of food stamps; I had thought the statistics pointed in the other direction.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
This had to be the dumbest choice for VP since McCain’s choice in Palin.

Romney needs the independent vote, not the base conservative Republican vote.

Choosing Ryan, sends the independents to Obama, or they’ll just stay home, in which chase, Obama wins.

Fact is, by choosing Ryan, Romney will lose his own state of Massachusetts.

Jim
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You can always tell when it is a good choice when the liberal voters think it is a bad choice.

Why should we consider your opinion on the matter when you are wrong about most other political issues?
 
meltzerboy said:
I would not say one cannot criticize Obama’s policies without the criticism’s being racist. I don’t approve of everything Obama has done either. However, in the case of the welfare ad, I believe there are subtle racial overtones, and I believe the same is true regarding Gingrich’s food-stamp comment. It’s a Republican theme that goes back to the Willie Horton ads of 1988 and before that to Nixon, except that those ads were more explicit. Thanks for the correction about the incidence of food stamps; I had thought the statistics pointed in the other direction.
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There was no racial overtones in Gingrich’s statement, he made a factual statement about the increase of food stamps. Democrats have got an ad out of Allen West punching a caucasian woman, family and senior. Can you imagine if Republicans had put out an ad of a black democrat doing the same? There be outrage from the left calling the ad racist

Explain what were racial overtones in the welfare ad
 
Teen4Christ said:
I’m sure they shall have that mindset…in utah.
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You’re probably right. A professed unitarian teenager has more of a feel for the pulse of the seniors in America than an actual senior from a mainstream religious group…
 
He_Man said:
You can always tell when it is a good choice when the liberal voters think it is a bad choice.

Why should we consider your opinion on the matter when you are wrong about most other political issues?
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If liberals were called Ryan a good choice republicans would need to be concerned
 
_Abyssinia said:
Ryan’s plan does not address current seniors. You have more to fear from ObamaTax as said in post 23
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Exactly. Seniors currently on Medicare will face few changes, but the younger populace
will have the ability to even have Medicare. Currently, the way it was heading it would be
bankrupt in a short time. Obamacare has already starting making changing for seniors
far more threatening, including having “panels” deciding on whether an elderly person
should have medical procedure, even if it is in an emergency situation when the panels
are not able to meet right away.
 
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