People spew venom at Ted Cruz over photo with deer he hunted: 'You're not a Human Being

[otjm]

PETA Folks are liberals and they have been able to get everyone to be afraid to wear fur.

You totally missed the irony of my comment.

 

[StudentMI]

A few, just not the general feeling.

I don’t think you can paint with such a large brush there, my friend.

Take a thread about a Santa yelling at some kid over wanting a nerf gun. The general sentiment in the OP is that the Santa is a ‘leftist’. But I can show many leftists who are for gun rights. I even know of a recent case involving a leftist who was arrested over some draconian gun law that I’d be happy to link to.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

A few, just not the general feeling.

I don’t think you can paint with such a large brush there, my friend.

It may seem broad but I think there is a lot of truth to it. More and more hunting areas have closed down. If you read the monthly hunting magazines, there are tons of horror stories.

 

[TC3033]

That’s definitely true in Colorado and Wyoming. But, both have large areas that are public domain and even ranchers that use those properties can’t post it…even though some have tried!

They used to have the public domain areas in Massachusetts until the democratic government got involved.

Oh, not here. I’ve got a shade over 45. You’re not hunting it without permission.

 

[pnewton]

It can have a gamey taste to it that some object to and because it’s so lean, it needs to have either fat added or slow cooked to keep it moist and tender.

This I do know a little about. Good field dressing and a clean shot makes a world of difference in how the meat tastes. Venison or elk backstrap battered and fried is heaven. Soaking it in milk prior can also reduce any gaminess if there was a problem with its processing.

 

[sallybutler]

You may not like boxes but there are boxes that some fit into especially when it comes to hunting.
Liberals do not like hunting of fishing…

Does that mean if one likes either or both they aren’t a liberal and if one dislikes either they are. I think a lot of people were just reclassified.

 

[StudentMI]

I’ve lost track of the things I’m supposed to be.

 

[Gorgias]

Pattylt:

t can have a gamey taste to it that some object to and because it’s so llean.

You have to get used to gamey taste

I often wonder whether the complaints of “gamy taste” merely mean “it has a different flavor than beef”. Or, perhaps, that it was prepped or cooked improperly.

Not really sure why people think I’m against hunting?

I’m not saying that you’re against hunting… just that you’re making unreasonable assertions about hunting, about those who hunt, and about whether it’s reasonable for them to do so.

 

[StudentMI]

I’m not saying that you’re against hunting… just that you’re making unreasonable assertions about hunting, about those who hunt, and about whether it’s reasonable for them to do so.

I don’t really care about how reasonable it is for them. I’m speaking from experience of those I know and have known who hunt.

 

[Gorgias]

I’m speaking from experience of those I know and have known who hunt.

Hmm. And, based on a handful of personal experiences, you feel it’s reasonable to assert globally that only the poorest of the poor have an excuse to hunt? Hmm…

 

[StudentMI]

Hmm. And, based on a handful of personal experiences, you feel it’s reasonable to assert globally that only the poorest of the poor have an excuse to hunt? Hmm…

Hmmmm all you want. If you have a problem with my experience so be it. I included a disclaimer about poor people. What I objected to was comparing a politician like Cruz to poor people. Sorry if that didn’t come across like I meant it to.

As I said I don’t care about how reasonable it is. Not sure why this is a controversial stance on the issue.

 

[JMMJ]

Location does matter and liberals do have different opinions but liberals, in general, do not like hunting or fishing.

I am a liberal. The actual act of hunting, fishing, etc. doesn’t bother me at all. I realize it is often times necessary for a multiple of reasons.

What I get disturbed about is the absolute joy and thrill so many hunters get from the concept of killing. I know families who start instilling this love of killing in their kids from very young ages. Usually I write it off as people who are overcompensating for other areas of their life which aren’t all they could be (think: those that unnecessarily drive huge pick up trucks with huge tires, etc., to let people know what “big” people they are).

Anyhow. I don’t find legal practices of hunting to be ashamed of. I view it more as a fact of life. But the showmanship and celebration of it, turning it into “glorified” killing, is a real issue for me.

Of course, not everyone who hunts is this way. But too many are.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

Pattylt:

t can have a gamey taste to it that some object to and because it’s so llean.

You have to get used to gamey taste

I often wonder whether the complaints of “gamy taste” merely mean “it has a different flavor than beef”. Or, perhaps, that it was prepped or cooked improperly.

It is a different flavor. When you buy hamburger in the store if has a certain taste and you get used to it. The same is true with deer meat. It has a hamburger taste but with what they call a gamey taste added it even if it is cook properly.

Rabbit taste like chicken and pheasant has a chicken taste. I would agree that the effort it takes in not worth it.

If more people hunted or raise cattle for food, they really would gain more respect for the food. It is like having a vegetable garden, you realize the amount of effort that goes into it and don’t want to waste food.

 

[gam197]

What I get disturbed about is the absolute joy and thrill so many hunters get from the concept of killing. I know families who start instilling this love of killing in their kids from very young ages.

You state you are a liberal and that is how you see it . I think most liberal see it this way but won’t admit it.

 

[Zaccheus]

. Odds are if they can afford ammunition they can afford food.

That does not follow. The cost of a box of bullets is likely far less than the cost of supermarket or crocery store food for the length of time a couple of deer carcasses can feed the family.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

You state you are a liberal and that is how you see it . I think most liberal see it this way but won’t admit it.

People’s political beliefs can be pretty complex. Most people are a mishmash of are commonly thought of as “conservative” and “liberal” beliefs.

I’d encourage you to stop trying to understand the world as a strict, black and white division of liberal and conservative. The number of times you’ve said something like “liberals do this” or “liberals think that” on this thread is really telling.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

You state you are a liberal and that is how you see it . I think most liberal see it this way but won’t admit it.

People’s political beliefs can be pretty complex. Most people are a mishmash of are commonly thought of as “conservative” and “liberal” beliefs.

I’d encourage you to stop trying to understand the world as a strict, black and white division of liberal and conservative. The number of times you’ve said something like “liberals do this” or “liberals think that” on this thread is really telling.

I do not see the world as black and white, I realize there are many liberals who have many views of many different things. just as there are many conservatives who also have different points of view.

However, a ban on hunting would not take place under a conservative but can’t say that would be true under a liberal, again in general.

 

[Shasta-Rose]

Agree. Hunting is a hobby. And by the time you buy the 4-wheel drive, the hunting outfit, the two-thousand dollar rifle and the three-thousand dollar scope, it can get to be a pretty expensive hobby.

They’re doing it because they like hunting.

Right. A lot of people just want to kill something, for some reason. I don’t get it myself, but it’s legal, so in general I don’t rant and rave about it.

 

[Gorgias]

Rabbit taste like chicken and pheasant has a chicken taste. I would agree that the effort it takes in not worth it.

From a culinary perspective, I’d disagree. Chicken tastes, well… like nothing. Rabbit has a clean flavor that’s almost (but not quite) as neutral as chicken. Pheasant, being poultry, is similar to chicken (but not quite the same).

If more people hunted or raise cattle for food, they really would gain more respect for the food. It is like having a vegetable garden, you realize the amount of effort that goes into it and don’t want to waste food.

I absolutely agree with this sentiment!

And by the time you buy the 4-wheel drive, the hunting outfit, the two-thousand dollar rifle and the three-thousand dollar scope

Are there people who buy “$2000 rifles” and “$3000 scopes”? I guess. They’re not representative of the hunting population, though (from personal experience).

The “4-wheel drive”? You don’t think they already have a vehicle that can get them in and out of tough driving situations? I think the tail’s wagging the dog here…

Right. A lot of people just want to kill something, for some reason.

All the hunters I know are folks who eat what they harvest. Are there those out there who think – as you do – that “hunters just want to kill stuff”? I’m sure there are… but how in the world do you reach that conclusion?

As I said I don’t care about how reasonable it is. Not sure why this is a controversial stance on the issue.

To my mind, it’s controversial because of where you’re coming from. Way upthread, you started your discussion with:

This isn’t the 19th century where a deer has to provide a family with food for the winter.

and

I’ve just met so many hunters who really didn’t need to do what they did.

In other words, your take was “I don’t think that you need to do this”, which implies that if you think they don’t need to, then they shouldn’t.

Who gives a person the right to say “you don’t need to do that… so stop it” or even "you could do X instead of Y… so it’s reasonable to look down on you for that decision??

Like I said earlier, if I said to you “you don’t need to buy meat at the store” (or even, “you don’t need to buy your favorite food… there are others out there!”), I suspect that you’d either be offended or treat me like a loon!

Same dynamic here… except that it’s fashionable to dislike hunting these days.

If we want to claim that people have rights, then we’re not in the business of telling people what they need or don’t need to be doing. Just sayin’…

 

[gam197]

From a culinary perspective, I’d disagree. Chicken tastes, well… like nothing. Rabbit has a clean flavor that’s almost (but not quite) as neutral as chicken. Pheasant, being poultry, is similar to chicken (but not quite the same).

Chicken has a neutral taste and so does rabbit, a bit different. Pheasant does have its own flavor… These were raised and released by the state farms so the taste was not the same as wild. Again you really got to put effort in and for little meat. haven’t had this in awhile.

Deer meat has its own distinct flavor and some do not like the gamey taste. In something like a stew , it is less noticed so it is a good way to cook it.