PETA Supports Pope Benedict XVI

[geezerbob]

Fireman Frank, I have learned something from this thread: that you jump to conclusions and make cutting and mean-spirited posts. FYI, I did read the article plus most of the garbage on PETA’s site and I reiterate my orginal statement regarding PETA’s support of our pope: Who cares? That statement has absolutely nothing to do with animals or the way they are treated or anything St. Francis might have said.

 

[FiremanFrank]

geezerbob
Fireman Frank, I have learned something from this thread: that you jump to conclusions and make cutting and mean-spirited posts.

And this, coming from a man who responds to an article in which the Holy Father is being directly quoted about God’s Creation - and who then goes on to give us the lowly, uncaring and uncompasionate reply of:

geezerbob
Who cares?

What a hypocrite you are geez’o. How do you sleep at night?

That statement has absolutely nothing to do with animals or the way they are treated or anything St. Francis might have said.

What in the heck forum are you reading geez’o?

The Holy Father’s statement IS ABOUT ANIMALS AND THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED.

So re-read my first post, since you obviously missed the point that the Holy Father was making the first time around.

"Gimme a brrreeeaaaaakkkk geez!

 

[WhiteDove]

Right on, FiremanFrank!!!

 

[pnewton]

Gentlemen, let us give each other a little benefit of the doubt. I read the statement of “Who cares?” as being direct against PETA, not the statement of the Cardinal. In that context, the opinion of PETA, or any political organization on the election of a pontiff, is not very relevant. All this misunderstanding shows the disadvantage of quick, flippant statemens. They may be funny (sometimes), but are often misconstrued.

 

[tuopaolo]

It’s important to realize that animals have no rights. The just treatment of animals is based on the justice owed to ourselves and our own human dignity.

 

[geezerbob]

Frank, despite my attempts to explain my first post on this thread, it is apparently still being misinterpreted, so I’ll try again. The “who cares” statement was meant to apply to PETA’s support for the pope and to nothing else.

I do care about animals, despite what you might think, and avoid eating those that I know are treated badly, especially chickens because of the way in which they are slaughtered.

As to my second post about cutting and mean-spirited remarks, you have used the following in reference to me: “lowly”, “uncaring”, “uncompassionate”, and “hypocrite”. The following is copied from the forum rules in the sticky at the top of this forum:

**The temptation to ignore charity when writing about those who are perceived as the 'bad hats" in this situation must be resisted at all times.

Speculation about the character and intentions of the players is generally a very bad idea. It is practically impossible to know an individual’s true motivations.**

Please, if we must disagree, let us try to do so without being disagreeable. No purpose is served by unnecessary name calling or by purporting to know the motives of another.

Thank you.

 

[Dj_Roy_Albert]

contemplative:

People of the Ethical Treatment of Animals supports Pope Benedict XVI

goveg.com/feat/PopeBenedictXVI/popeletter.pdf

Comments?

Just wait 'til they realize that he eats the flesh & drinks the blood of Lamb of God.

 

[Dj_Roy_Albert]

FiremanFrank:

Yes, but I havn’t read anywhere on this thread where anybody has stated that they don’t actually eat meat (myself included). But what we (and PETA, and then Card. Ratzinger) ARE SAYING is this: That torturing an animal to death before we use it for our consumption IS NOT A MORALLY CHRISTIAN ACT.

That I believe, is the point of this thread.

This point can also be found in the book of Exodus.

I hear-tell that from the time of Adam to the days following the flood of Noah that the Patriarchs were vegetarian. Can anybody confirm this?

 

[wisdom_3_5]

Dj Roy Albert:

This point can also be found in the book of Exodus.

I hear-tell that from the time of Adam to the days following the flood of Noah that the Patriarchs were vegetarian. Can anybody confirm this?

It says in Gen 3:21 that the Lord made leather garments for the man and his wife. Where did God get the leather? What did Adam & Eve’s children wear?

So it could be argued that the first sacrifice was just after the fall.

 

[pnewton]

Dj Roy Albert:

I hear-tell that from the time of Adam to the days following the flood of Noah that the Patriarchs were vegetarian. Can anybody confirm this?

Not from scripture.

 

[romano]

Scott_Lafrance:

Some of us eat meat, and don’t appreciate it when Vegans accuse us of being unChristian and that we are responsible for the torture of said animals.

If that meat came from factory farm animals then you are responsible for the torture that goes on in factory farms. Period.

Read the literature.

 

[romano]

FiremanFrank:

. . . .what we (and PETA, and then Card. Ratzinger) ARE SAYING is this: That torturing an animal to death before we use it for our consumption IS NOT A MORALLY CHRISTIAN ACT.

That I believe, is the point of this thread.

Yes, FiremanFrank, you are absolutely right. This thread is not about meat-eating. It’s about the torture of animals. And what some of the folk on this thread (though not you of course) need to learn is this:

Once society is allowed to start treating, with abominable cruelty, any class perceived as being weak, it won’t be long before it extends that cruelty to other classes.

In other words, my friends, the torture spreads. It spreads from factory farms, to prisons, to occupied territories. Or don’t you follow the news? And at some point, my torture-loving friends, you may just find that it will spread to you.

You will get caught up in that web of torture too. Just wait and see. And your callous attitude to the sufferings of sentient creatures is helping to bring that painful reality ever closer.

So go ahead, wipe your hand across your mouth and laugh. But note the rest of the story:

“Animals?”

“Who cares?”

“Convicts?”

“Who cares?”

“Foreigners?”

“Who cares?”

“Hey! You can’t do this to me! I’m an Amurrikan!”

“Who cares?”

Viewed from the air, factory farms look very much like concentration camps because that’s what they are. And I hear that a great many actual concentration camps have been set up in recent years all over the States.

I wonder who for?

 

[oat_soda]

Here is a photo of the conditions in which they are raised. The small quarters is to keep them from exersising, which makes the meat tender.

mmmmmmmmm… veal -no wonder it tastes so good! i have a hard time believing that the church is opposed to veal and goose liver pate.

It’s about the torture of animals. And what some of the folk on this thread (though not you of course) need to learn is this:

torture for the sake of torture is always wrong but if animals are treated cruely for the benefit of man, it can be legitimate.

we are stewards and God gave us dominion over all the creatures of the earth. stewardship entails responsibility and ultimately what ever is good for the animals is good for us. if it wasn’t for us, would we have as many cows and chickens alive today? they wouldn’t exist as they are today if it wasn’t for us.

 

[pnewton]

Once society is allowed to start treating, with abominable cruelty, any class perceived as being weak, it won’t be long before it extends that cruelty to other classes.

“Animals?”

“Who cares?”

“Convicts?”

“Who cares?”

“Foreigners?”

“Who cares?”

“Hey! You can’t do this to me! I’m an Amurrikan!”

“Who cares?”

There is absolutely no comparison between animals and people. One is a sentient being with a soul, the other is a resource. While cruelty to animals is contrary to our dignity, animals have not dignity (see previous sentence). While we must avoid inflicting unneccesary suffrering on animals, comparing this treatment to the torture of our fellow human beings belittles the atrocity of every inhumanity inflicted upon our brother.

The method of placing animal on the same level of human beings is the type of insanity that causes PETA to lose credibility.

BTW - You misspelled “American.”

 

[Celia]

pnewton:

There is absolutely no comparison between animals and people. One is a sentient being with a soul, the other is a resource. While cruelty to animals is contrary to our dignity, animals have not dignity (see previous sentence). While we must avoid inflicting unneccesary suffrering on animals, comparing this treatment to the torture of our fellow human beings belittles the atrocity of every inhumanity inflicted upon our brother.

The method of placing animal on the same level of human beings is the type of insanity that causes PETA to lose credibility.

BTW - You misspelled “American.”

I think (forgive me if I’m mistaken, romano) that he was making the point not that animals are on the same level as human beings but that cruelty to animals can lead to a desensitization as far as cruelty goes towards other things, on down the line to each other…
And I think he misspelled “American” on purpose, to make a point about the ignorance/intelligence of those that promote or just ignore the subject of animal cruelty. Hopefully, anyway, I understood what was going on…
I like to think that even though God gave us dominion over animals that he didn’t intend for us to be unecessarily mean and barbaric towards them, if it can be helped. There’s a reason why he placed that reaction of revulsion in us that happens when we see pictures or hear stories of animals suffering. Just my opinion, anyway, FWIW.

 

[bluezone7]

Who cares … they are suffering from Iron and Zinc deficiencies … give them a steak. Don’t eat dairy. Don’t eat chicken. Don’t eat cows. Don’t eat fish. Don’t eat Lobsters and Crabs … (aka: the tastiest bottom feeders of the sea). Don’t eat …:tsktsk: So much wasted energy! These people told teenagers to drink beer instead of milk!

 

[pnewton]

Celia:

I think (forgive me if I’m mistaken, romano) that he was making the point not that animals are on the same level as human beings but that cruelty to animals can lead to a desensitization as far as cruelty goes towards other things, on down the line to each other…

If this is the case, then I see little merit in it. Most reasoning human beings outside the west coast are capable of understanding the quantum differences between man and animal. It makes as much sense as saying kicking rocks in the driveway can lead to kicking the family dog.

 

[romano]

Trelow:

. . . don’t complain about veal until you try it, mmmmm, milky.

Hi Trelow:

Although personally I deplore the common indulgence in factory-farm corpse-flesh (otherwise euphemistically known as ‘meat’), there is a sense in which I’m happy for you. Let me explain.

You see, when the crunch comes, as it undoubtedly will – when the Middle East goes up in flames; when the oil stops coming; when the supermarkets have been stripped bare of eatables; and when those famished meat-loving neighbors of yours come looking for to charbroil a nice chewy hunk of – pardon me – YOU, as an indulger yourself you are going to be able to view their ghastly urge with a measure of real understanding, even, perhaps, with a smidgen of Christian compassion.

After all, folks have got to eat, and some folks will eat anything when they’re really hungry, especially if they have already developed a taste for it by glutting themselves for years on something similar. . . .

Won’t they?

Bon appetit.

 

[fix]

romano:

Hi Trelow:

Although personally I deplore the common indulgence in factory-farm corpse-flesh (otherwise euphemistically known as ‘meat’), there is a sense in which I’m happy for you. Let me explain.

You see, when the crunch comes, as it undoubtedly will – when the Middle East goes up in flames; when the oil stops coming; when the supermarkets have been stripped bare of eatables; and when those famished meat-loving neighbors of yours come looking for to charbroil a nice chewy hunk of – pardon me – YOU, as an indulger yourself you are going to be able to view their ghastly urge with a measure of real understanding, even, perhaps, with a smidgen of Christian compassion.

After all, folks have got to eat, and some folks will eat anything when they’re really hungry, especially if they have already developed a taste for it by glutting themselves for years on something similar. . . .

Won’t they?

Bon appetit.

I can’t see the connection? You are trying to make a case that so-called cruelty to animals is linked to human cruelty, but how is it cruel to consume veal?

 

[JKirkLVNV]

pnewton:

There is absolutely no comparison between animals and people. One is a sentient being with a soul, the other is a resource. While cruelty to animals is contrary to our dignity, animals have not dignity (see previous sentence). While we must avoid inflicting unneccesary suffrering on animals, comparing this treatment to the torture of our fellow human beings belittles the atrocity of every inhumanity inflicted upon our brother.

The method of placing animal on the same level of human beings is the type of insanity that causes PETA to lose credibility.

BTW - You misspelled “American.”

With respect, PNewton, animals are sentient beings as well. I think they probably also have dignity, as created beings, though not in proportion to ours, created in the Image of the Holy One.

They are ***also ***a resource. This cannot be denied when viewed from the Judeo-Christian tradition. You’re right about cruelty to animals being contrary to OUR diginity, something some people seem to be missing. I have heard that the OT admonition “thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk” was based on a foundation of avoiding causing unecessary suffering. Part of kosher law is the slaughter of food animals in such a way that the animal’s pain is minimized. Indeed, some of kosher butchers are so skilled that it is thought the animal dies before the pain registers…though I suppose no animal would be able to confirm that. That said, I must admit a certain predjudice on my part, as I’m the grandson of a farmer/rancher. My grandfather took good care of his animals, partly because it was his work ethic and partly because they were his livelyhood. I think PETA is just generally too far afield, though their regard for the Holy Father is very nice, I’m sure.