Pope Francis Must Resign: Archbishop Vigano

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Not calumny. Majority of the abusers were homosexual. As usual, people here are deny to death when it comes to the homosexual problem.
 
Yeah… maaaybe. And maybe these sanctions of Benedict weren’t known by Francis?

This is a lot of assuming.

I agree with hearing more from leaders and Francis himself before coming to final conclusions. This definitely deserves some time and explanation.

But Francis is not exactly known for explaining himself very well either.
 
Sure, it could be seen as assuming. Or else you could call it giving the benefit of the doubt. 😉 It seems that Vigano is doing a fair bit of assuming in his report, too. And some are disputing the nature of these sanctions. If what was posted upthread is true about McCarrick’s public appearances and travels from that time period, then it’s tough to think that Vigano has his facts straight there. Or maybe Vigano just didn’t realize that McCarrick was disregarding those sanctions. That’s possible, too.
 
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I agree with being patient and not assuming. I just don’t think it looks good.
 
This is on the Diocese of Tyler website.

“Dear Priests, Deacons, Religious and all Holy Faithful of the Diocese of Tyler,

A letter (see below) by Archbishop Vigano, former Nuncio to the United States, raises grave allegations and calls for the resignation of numerous high ranking prelates including Pope Francis.

Let us be clear that they are still allegations but as your shepherd I find them to be credible. Using this standard the response must be a thorough investigation similar to those conducted any time allegations are deemed to be credible. I do not have the authority to launch such an investigation but I will lend my voice in whatever way necessary to call for this investigation and urge that it’s findings demand accountability of all found to be culpable even at the highest levels of the Church.

As this unfolds I urge all in the Diocese of Tyler to pray fervently for Holy Mother Church and beg the Intercession of Our Blessed Mother. We are the flock of Jesus Christ. He is Lord of His Church and His Holy Spirit will guide us through this darkness.

Almighty God Father, Son and Spirit have mercy on your Church and cleanse her in the fires of your Love.

Blessed Virgin Mary, Pray for us

All Sainted Popes & Bishops in Heaven, Pray for us

All Holy Men and Women, Pray for us

I direct all priests to include this notice in the masses on August 26, and post it on their websites and other social media immediately.

Most Reverend Joseph E. Strickland

Bishop of Tyler”
 
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It’s rather easy to document McCarrick’s public ministry in those years. It includes a public benefactors mass (19 April 2009), being the primary celebrant for an ordination (16 Oct 2010), being a guest celebrant and homilist at a school (3 April 2011), ordaining Friars (14 June 2011), leading the American Christian Leadership Delegation to Iraqi Kurdistan (Nov 2012), and giving public interviews from Rome about Benedict’s resignation (14 Feb 2013). This was occurring while Benedict XVI was Pope (2005-2013) and Viganò was Nuncio (2011-2016). Are we to believe that Viganò had privately restricted McCarrick’s public ministry, while simultaneously turning a blind eye to McCarrick’s public ministry - including being involved in ordinations?!

I’d need A LOT of questions answered before I’d believe any of this.’
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One easy explanation is that Pope Benedict took the action late 2012/early 2013. I am finding it difficult to verify dates however.
 
Wow. I’m honestly surprised at how many CAFers dislike Pope Francis enough to oust him.

If I were a Russian troll, this would be a perfect opportunity to sow discord in a people who are already reeling back and vulnerable.
 
Please do not count me among those who think the Holy Father should resign. Having said that, it does appear to me the letter is credible. The NCR’s story specifically states that the Poeoe Emeritus does recall imposing measures on McCartick, but does not recall their exact nature. The measures we’re obviously imposed privately, so it was largely up to McCartick to abide by them. The fact that he participated in a few public ministries those years does not discredit the allegations, it just shows his disobedience. Certainly it appears that McCarrick’s public work increased after 2013. Pope Francis’s ignoring the allegations against McCarrick would be very similiar to his initial response in defending Bishop Barras in Chile. It’s seems his reaction back then was to give the benefit of doubt to prelates who were under suspicion.
The fact that Scott Hahn has posted the letter and a note of thanks to Bishop Strickland’s call for an investigation lends credence to the affair.
So we just need to pray for the Church and the Holy Father. At some points nt the Vatican will release a statement and we will know more.
 
Jimmy Akin was saying that constructive criticism of Popes and bishops is OK, but not destructive or hostile criticism. As the Washington Post pointed out about Vigano’s letter:
The letter sent shock waves through the Catholic world as Francis prepared to speak before a huge crowd Sunday at Dublin’s Phoenix Park. Francis and other church leaders are facing a bitterly polarized Catholic Church, and some Francis critics, including Viganò, are calling for the pope to step down.
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Is it constructive for Vigano to release this letter right now in the middle of the Pope’s visit to Ireland just as he’s preparing to speak before a large crowd in a country where a lot of sexual abuse took place?
 
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Very unlikely. Far too polarizing. If the college decided to lean “right”, someone like +Sarah would be far more likely.
 
Urbano_Macchi said:
Liberals are always obsessed with Russia.
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I’m far from being liberal, my friend. I’ve always regarded Russia/Soviet Union as the true existential threat to the U.S. As Reagan Republican, I cheered when he quipped that the Soviet Union had been outlawed. I cheered when Lech Walesa, St. Pope JPII, and Reagan brought down the Iron Curtain.

The conniving Kremlinists are probing all facets of American life like viruses.

There’s absolutely nothing “liberal” about making U.S. national security a priority.
 
Sorry…click on the 'guardian" link on the error page…that will take you to the article
 
While I have long had reservations about the Holy Father’s commentary and decisions, an audience like Facebook’s is not the place to air your grievances. It does nothing to help the Church, IMO. there are too many who are lukewarm at best and anti-Catholic at worst who simply feed their untamed, irrational emotions on such as this.
 
I had been hoping for someone even less polarizing like Ouellet or O’Malley, but now it’s anyone’s guess. I should add about Burke though, I’d wait to see the results of the Missouri probe before singing his praises. Also he needs to clarify his role re: McCarrick as a member of the Congregation for Bishops, if what Vigano says is true.
 
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Can you share an example of how Burke is polarizing?

He strikes me as someone who respects the need to address concerns directly and clearly, within the context of magisterial Teaching.
 
Geez, how about we first verify that any of this is true before placing bets on Francis’ successor?
 
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