Pope Francis Must Resign: Archbishop Vigano

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I’m sorry, but journalists don’t prove guilt or innocence. That isn’t their job. They report. Part of reporting is asking questions of the principle characters. They can’t possibly confirm everything in Vigano’s statement, because they weren’t privy to the conversations Vigano had with Pope Francis about McCarrick or Wuerl.
 
I have to say I really prefer direct speech. The older I get the more I prefer it. Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
gracepoole said:
I actually like Francis’ response. It smells of “I’m not taking the bait.” If he’s proven innocent, I applaud this move.
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If Pope Francis could say that the report is a lie then I’d have preferred he say that. I’d even prefer him saying the allegations don’t deserve a reply, although I think they do.
 
OraLabora said:
So: Benedict imposed but allegedly ignored the imposition of sanctions; Francis rolled back the sanctions, but re-imposed them when it got too embarrassing. And John Paul II… saint John Paul II, defended Maciel until the bitter end, not wanting to believe the mounting evidence (it was Benedict that finally took action on that case).
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Saint John Paul II made McCarrick a Bishop, then Archbishop of Washington DC, and gave him a red hat.

If Benedict did censure McCarrick, why was it so secret that no one but Vigano apparently knew? If there was a censure, why was there absolutely no attempt to enforce it? How come not even gossip came from the Vatican about this alleged interdict of a Cardinal Archbishop? No rumors, nothing.
 
rcwitness said:
The allegations are not ludicrous. They may be exaggerated or not completely representing everything correctly, but they are not ludicrous.
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I’m not sure that any of us can say that with certainty.
 
leroy.garrett said:
I’m sorry, but journalists don’t prove guilt or innocence. That isn’t their job. They report. Part of reporting is asking questions of the principle characters. They can’t possibly confirm everything in Vigano’s statement, because they weren’t privy to the conversations Vigano had with Pope Francis about McCarrick or Wuerl.
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So you were just going to go with whatever Francis said in response? If he said he’s innocent, you were going to accept that without demanding evidence from objective sources? 🤨
 
Why would you make the assumption that I would go with whatever Pope Francis replies? That’s very odd of you to assume that. Right now, we have an account by Vigano, and we have “I will not say a single word on this.” That isn’t a confirmation or denial.

If Pope Francis denies it, then we would have a disagreement. If he confirms it, then we know that Vigano was correct. To say nothing tells us nothing. That’s not a very pastoral response, imnsho.
 
leroy.garrett said:
Why would you make the assumption that I would go with whatever Pope Francis replies? That’s very odd of you to assume that. Right now, we have an account by Vigano, and we have “I will not say a single word on this.” That isn’t a confirmation or denial.

If Pope Francis denies it, then we would have a disagreement. If he confirms it, then we know that Vigano was correct. To say nothing tells us nothing. That’s not a very pastoral response, imnsho.
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Um, because you said this:
I’m sorry, but journalists don’t prove guilt or innocence. That isn’t their job. They report. Part of reporting is asking questions of the principle characters. They can’t possibly confirm everything in Vigano’s statement
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BTW, investigative journalism is different that just reporting – and it’s what’s needed now.
 
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That’s the whole question, right? Who knew, and did Pope Francis know, and what did he do about it, and what is his reasoning for what he did?
 
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And Pilate asked, “what is truth?” This verse seems appropriate right now.
 
Um, there is nothing in my post that says I would believe whatever Pope Francis says. And, yes, we need investigative journalism. First step: ask the Pope about the veracity of Vigano’s statement. Done. Unanswered…by our Pope! I do not understand why any Catholic would find that to be an acceptable response.
 
I think her point, is that you would want to have investigations no matter what Pope Francis said.

But I think it’s respectfully to say what he knew and what he did do about it, or what he didn’t know.
 
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If a Priest were accused of sexual assault, would anyone be satisfied with the same answer that the Pope gave?
 
rcwitness said:
I think her point, is that you would want to have investigations no matter what Pope Francis said.
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So very unfortunate, but this is where we are with this whole scandal, we just cannot accept every person’s statement as the whole truth without a thorough investigation, even the Pope.
 
leroy.garrett said:
Um, there is nothing in my post that says I would believe whatever Pope Francis says. And, yes, we need investigative journalism. First step: ask the Pope about the veracity of Vigano’s statement. Done. Unanswered…by our Pope! I do not understand why any Catholic would find that to be an acceptable response.
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You actually said there’s no way to prove everything in the statement and that journalism can’t do anything in this situation. The only other choice available is to trust whatever Francis says on its face.

If you’re new here as you say, I’ll kindly caution you not to engage in statements like “I do not understand why any Catholic…” You might investigate the No True Scotsman fallacy.
 

As people have accused Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis knowing about the abuse scandal of former Cardinal McCarrick, Archbishop Vigano’ wrote a 7000 word letter accusing both Popes of knowing about the allegations (incidents?) and doing nothing about him. He’s calling for Pope Francis’s resignation, keeping in line with the zero tolerance policy.

I used to love Pope Francis but the more I learn about these scandals the more I’m losing faith in my Church and my Church leaders.

One good thing is, to my knowledge so far, neither of my priests or former priests have been accused of doing anything inappropriate.

Thoughts? Should Pope Francis resign?
 
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He might need to review the information. He is over 80, has all kinds of stuff going on, and might be fuzzy on the details of what he and his people knew, and when and from who etc.

He probably doesn’t know the whole story, and was blindsided while in a different country, trying to fix things for the Church there that is in terrible shape.

Also, he is probably spitting mad right now and has decided to get back to Rome and figure out what went on before he says anything he might regret. Sometimes, when you are really, really angry it is best to walk away rather than go on rant.
 
What in the world? Why the caution? I can’t state my inability to understand a Catholic response? Sheesh. I don’t know what the rules are like here, but that seems like a strange thing to caution.
 
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