Pope Francis Must Resign: Archbishop Vigano

[gracepoole]

What in the world? Why the caution? I can’t state my inability to understand a Catholic response? Sheesh. I don’t know what the rules are like here, but that seems like a strange thing to caution.

“I don’t know why any Catholic would say…” Well, welcome to CAF, where there isn’t A Catholic response for many topics. You saying to others that you can’t imagine how any Catholic would think this or that is a way of disparaging another as less than, as not truly Catholic. Here:

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[Roseeurekacross]

trial by media and factional fighting is never a good thing

 

[Greenfields]

Honestly, who are we to say anything?

 

[leroy.garrett]

Well, that certainly wasn’t my intent. I wasn’t attacking you. That said, I’ll step out of the conversation. Thank you for the warm welcome.

 

[angel12]

Thoughts? Should Pope Francis resign?

As has been pointed out on other threads about Archbishop Vigano’s statement, there are many who would prefer to have more than one person’s word before concluding that Pope Francis is guilty and should resign.
Meanwhile, we should pray that the truth comes out soon.

 

[SeriousQuestion]

Really the only problem I have is when people try to use his teachings to create support for their heterodox idea.

 

[Irishmom2]

Please, don’t go. Perhaps grace did not mean to offend you either. It’s the Internet, remember. It’s hard to detect tone.

 

[angell1]

Archbishop Alleges Pope Francis Long Knew About Abuse, Calls On Him To Resign

As people have accused Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis knowing about the abuse scandal of former Cardinal McCarrick, Archbishop Vigano’ wrote a 7000 word letter accusing both Popes of knowing about the allegations (incidents?) and doing nothing about him. He’s calling for Pope Francis’s resignation, keeping in line with the zero tolerance policy.

I used to love Pope Francis but the more I learn about these scandals the more I’m losing faith in my Church and my Church leaders.

One good thing is, to my knowledge so far, neither of my priests or former priests have been accused of doing anything inappropriate.

Thoughts? Should Pope Francis resign?

only if the allegations were 100% true, the maybe since pope francis has called other bishops to do the same.

otherwise, no.

and if pope benedict really knew and imposed sanctions, then why are people still accusing him?

 

[Iterum]

I’d prefer it if he did personally.

 

[gracepoole]

Please, don’t go. Perhaps grace did not mean to offend you either. It’s the Internet, remember. It’s hard to detect tone.

Indeed, I did not. Just a friendly word about how we might offend others without meaning to do so.

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[Hope1960]

and if pope benedict really knew and imposed sanctions, then why are people still accusing him?

I think because it took him so long to do so?

 

[Hope1960]

Yes, but if he’s having others step down due to zero tolerance…

 

[pnewton]

While I have no idea if Pope Francis is wise or prudent in not responding, after reading the letter from Cardinal Vigano, I understand his answer to the press. I found several issues in the letter where there were logical errors and disconnections, assumptions that may not be true, and a spirit unbecoming a Cardinal. I also found a evidence of a serious problem in the Church that needs to be constantly watched.

I will also point out an time line that seems to have been forgotten. This letter can out August 24th, this year. On July 28th, Pope Francis had already removed Cardinal McCarrick from any service and assigned him a life of penance.

So exactly how, is this supposed to now address protecting others from McCarrick?

 

[Brendan]

Pope Francis could be guilty of very grave sins if these allegations are true. But that’s still no reason for him to resign or abdicate. If he is guilty, he must repent, confess and then he should do penance commensurate for the sins he had committed. Our Lord will forgive anyone, including a Pope, who is truly repentant about any sins a person chose to commit.

The reason he should resign ( if the accusations are true) is to set an example. Everything that you stated about sin is also true in regards to a priest who abuses children. The too can seek forgiveness, but being forgiven is not the same thing as remaining in office.

If bishops who covered for the abusers are called out and asked, by Rome, to resign, the Pope can do no less himself if he too is guilty of the same crimes. To do otherwise would be to actively engage in hypocrisy.

 

[pnewton]

If a Priest were accused of sexual assault, would anyone be satisfied with the same answer that the Pope gave?

The Pope was not accused of sexual assault. His actual accusation is more vague (“covering” for McCarrick", abdicating his responsibility). Answering vague criticism is tricky. He is not in the same situation as child abusers, or in the position of those bishops that failed to report criminal sexual assault of children to the police.

 

[cathapolo]

The Pope has to do his duty and give real guidance and leadership to the Church.

I think he needs our prayers more than ever.

 

[philipl]

We are the members of the faith. According to our faith even if God has forgiven them of their sins they are still required to pay a temporal punishment.

 

[philipl]

If he was aware of this information, then he like others needs to be held to the same standards as everyone. No one is above the law.

 

[Irishmom2]

There is already a thread about this and the mods have asked for no more new threads. They combined 2 others into the first one.

 

[Catholic_Patriot]

I believe that if Archbishop Vigano testimony can be verified by or more other sources and is credible then yes I believe that should be a possible option that the Holy Father should consider. However, it is what ever God will’s that will happen. The church is God’s not the popes.