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tafan2
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Very good point. It makes one wonder why the US Bishops were halted from taking a vote
Pope Francis Outlines 8-Point Plan for ‘All-Out Battle’ Against Sexual Abuse
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OneSheep
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Are you seeing Pope Francis’ words as insincere?
There are presented ideas that are completely contrary to the natural order? Please explain.
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prayerrider
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National Catholic Reporter has declared the total success of the summit:
www.ncronline.org
The church took a large step forward after abuse summit
Distinctly Catholic: It was easy to forget that the fact of the meeting itself was a significant step forward. It was unprecedented to gather the presidents of the world's episcopal conferences together on relatively short notice to address a specific problem.
www.ncronline.org
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exnihilo
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I don’t know whether they are sincere or not. I do know they don’t address the real problem. I mean who thought sex trafficking was part of the priestly abuse problem? The one thing that is, homosexual clergy, didn’t even get mentioned.
The theology can be described as Jacobin equality. Justice, equality, and democracy were cornerstones of that philosophy. The natural order is one of hierarchy. The natural order is one where those of a higher rank are due respect and honor. That same also have a duty. You still encounter this appeal to rank and honor when we are supposed to accept the Jacobin declarations of those in authority. Of course if what they insist is true were true then they would have no authority to make their proclamations. But we aren’t supposed to notice that.
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exnihilo
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Sort of like this:
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Leferdion
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well…he did in October 2018. He did not and will not force anyone to do it. Its up to us if we want to pray for the church or not
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OneSheep
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Homosexual clergy is an abuse problem? That is what underlies the abuse problem?
Pope Francis is promoting a strong central power with a reign of terror? That’s not what you mean, right?
It is, yes, but human natural order is more like that of baboons. Leadership comes from befriending others and being kind to the most vulnerable. The agressive, domineering types are kicked out. Respect and honor are earned through compassion and care.
I’m sorry, I missed what you are seeing as untrue. What is untrue?
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exnihilo
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The abuse problem has multiple facets. The most widespread abuse, which is of older boys, seminarians, and priests, is a homosexual problem.
The Jacobin promotion of justice, equality and democracy. This is promoted by leaders but if their philosophy of radical equality is true then there are no leaders. It is of the same form that Orwell described, ‘all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others’.
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TheLittleLady
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Have to keep reminding myself that other countries have not made the amazing strides that the US has made in safe environment policies/actions.
We feel a little bit like “groundhog day”.
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OneSheep
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Are you saying that homosexuality causes the problem of abuse?
Is there something wrong with promoting justice and democracy?
Are you saying that Pope Francis and the Catholic hierarchy are promoting wealth equality?
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OraLabora
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Anything goes liturgy? Anything goes theology? In the 1940s arch-conservative, Jansenist and extremely clericalist French Canada, Tridentine Mass and all that, my mother (born 1918) knew and said everyone in the parish knew, that their priest was not to be trusted around children and these parents wouldn’t let their children be alone with him.
Many of these crimes took place prior to the Council. It’s an ancient problem.
Only a profound culture change can clear out the rot, and especially the hypocrisy, that goes to the inner circle.
No, but the double-lives and secrecy of some of the homosexual prelates (I believe the outwardly homophobic, secretly homosexual Cardinal O’Brien who abused his seminarians, is not alone), creates a culture of secrecy and hypocrisy. Like the Pharisees. They lay heavy burdens on the shoulders of the faithful while sinning with impunity themselves.
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gracepoole
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No, he suggested that Catholics say the prayer after reciting the rosary and only during the month of October, 2018.
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Babaganoush
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It all sounds good, but it is vague and empty if it doesn’t manifest in actual principles or rules. Speaking of accompaniment, without actually proposing hard rules doesn’t really say anything.
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Babaganoush
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Yes, but it doesn’t affect the policy of the church or what the church does. Instructing all priests to say the prayer the st Michael would be an actual policy. Saying the devil is an active agent is a step in the right direction (pope Francis hasn’t been afraid to point out that the devil is an active agent in the past). But what is the church going to do about it?
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Babaganoush
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The church isn’t a democracy. I can’t speak for any other poster, but when the pope and cardinals push a democratic response it sounds like an avoidance of responsibility to me.
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adgloriam
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You don’t know what policy came out of the summit.
The OP was only the closing speech.
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gracepoole
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‘All optics, no substance’: Survivors react to Vatican abuse summit
Clerical sexual abuse survivors say change must come from outside Catholic Church
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MagdalenaRita
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It appears so far that policies will need to put into place because of the points addressed at the summit but unless something is said different it doesn’t seem as if there were any policies put into place at the summit.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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1 A change of mentality. Not actionable or measurable.
2. recognizing the abuse and coverup is bad.
3. Does self accusation apply to all? Is it public? Is the pope speaking of himself here?
4. Positive formation? This is as vague as it gets. As opposed to negative formation? What change in formation makes it positive?
5. Ah, it is the responsibility of the leaders of the conferences. Not the head of the Church? Also, doesn’t this run contrary to the Church is not about “rules” theology.
6. This would be a marked change in leadership if it includes listening and believing accusers. It would also be new.
7. How!? will this include internet monitoring (it should) and accountability software? And what does addiction mean. Does a seminarian have to have a flat out addiction for there to be a problem and not just a casual use of pornography?
8. Ok. again. How will the Church combat it? Will it run it’s own stings?
I’m actually physically scared because of these 8 points. I fear the Church is not able to grasp this problem at this time.
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MagdalenaRita
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This is kind of it appears to me also, that they just are not grasping the problem.
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