Pope Francis Outlines 8-Point Plan for ‘All-Out Battle’ Against Sexual Abuse

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The defrocking is not what the Holy Father promised. He said there would be a review of the files, no less than Cardinal O’Malley has recently stated that the results of that review need to be releasef
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but maybe we are talking past each other.
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I do not think we are talking past each other but both quite frankly coming from different experiences…and both real and sincere.
I totally agree with you and it blows my mind btw particularly coming from the “Southern Hemisphere” where every cent comes with “ blood, sweat and tears” that the figures paid are completely out of reach. Unimaginable for us by light years.
In fact and from the bottom of my heart, it made me wonder as well how on earth can a parish or a diocese pay that amount when some here are scratching to pay utilities or almost.
What I can tell you is that here as far as my experience has been…limited also, yes…the names of the priests who have had some issue were published in our bishops’ site a brief time later. And by brief I mean relatively close to the removal and laicization.
I can recall a particular case just a few years ago.
As far as transparency, it was a non negotiable …
See, thanks for sharing…sometimes one takes for granted what is not so much “ for granted “everywhere.
Cannot imagine what it must be like to address all the variety of issues all over the world… God help us…
 
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I prefer not to speak about what I do not know, Tafan.
And the specifics now he has been defrocked, I do not know nor need to know.
If the Bishops need something and are asking for it, it is between the Bishops and Rome…
 
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We are living here and now, and our response, awareness and reaction, is not what it was decades ago.
See something? Report it. Know something ? Report it.
Do not leave to “ somebody” what is my responsiblity…
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I get your general point here but it’s worrisome that responsibility for changing the diseased culture of the Church might be placed with those who themselves are victims, parents of victims, etc.
 
I know the media addressed it and certainly in a favorable light to the homosexual community. But it was not in the Pope’s 8 point plan.
 
I’m saying that those with SSA should not be allowed in the seminaries to start with. The church obviously has no proper means to control them in any way shape or form.

Once they are identified they should be advised to choose another career.

If they want to be Catholic laity, fine. But being under the protection of Holy Mother Church it’s not where they belong.
 
"In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called “gay culture”[10].

“Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women. One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies.”
 
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I’m saying that those with SSA should not be allowed in the seminaries to start with. The church obviously has no proper means to control them in any way shape or form.
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It boils down to avoiding the occasion of sin. Put a bunch of young homosexual men together at their peak sexual years, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what is likely to happen.

Not much different than sticking a bunch of young college men and women together in co-ed dorms. The inevitable occurs.

But that said, no, having homosexual clergy doesn’t cause abuse, most homosexual men won’t abuse minors. Having clergy that do not live up to their obligation of chastity and have a secret double-life creates a climate of secrecy that does allow abusers to get away with their crimes because they probably have the goods on the gay priests (and sexually-active heterosexual priests), and these gay priests do not themselves want to be outed.
 
I’ve always wondered about that term, “deep-seated.” Is there such a thing as “shallow-seated” homosexual tendencies? Would that be people who only dabble in homosexual orientation, but are in actuality heterosexual? Would it mean, bisexual?
 
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I’ve always wondered about that term, “deep-seated.” Is there such a thing as “shallow-seated” homosexual tendencies?
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I believe that “non-deep seated” means more like situational homosexuality, for instance that happens among all-male prison populations, or in some cases, homosexual experimentation in one’s younger years that didn’t “take” as it were. It means essentially that in normal circumstances they are, in fact, heterosexual.
 
Seems like the prison scenario wouldn’t apply to prospective seminarians (obviously). And the latter scenario ought to be a red flag, depending on the age when it took place.
 
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And the latter scenario ought to be a red flag, depending on the age when it took place.
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I believe it is a red flag according to the current guidelines. Not an absolute refusal, but a situation that requires further investigation.
 
Here is the exact wording as per the Vatican’s website:
Different, however, would be the case in which one were dealing with homosexual tendencies that were only the expression of a transitory problem - for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded. Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate.
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Edit, I wasn’t sure what “adolescence not yet superseded” meant, so I looked up the same document in my native French. It means, essentially, adolescence not yet completed.
 
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