Marco Rubio isn’t the Vicar of Christ; however, I can read Marco’s words and wonder if Cuba got a bad deal.I wont decide if Trump is a Christian or not…thats IMO for God to decide. What Pope Francis has said according to the translations is that if you support building a separation wall and if you support the deportation of Mexicans then you are not a Christian. This is nothing to due with wealth and everything to do with common courtesy which is a major element in Christianity. Donald Trump lacks common courtesy wrt how trump speaks about minorities…and I think this is why the Pope is calling out Trump.
Rubio calls out pope on Cuba
Sen. Marco Rubio, a Catholic, criticized Pope Francis on Wednesday after the pontiff played a key role in helping the United States and Cuba forge an agreement that resulted in the release of American Alan Gross from Cuba.
Rubio said he would “ask His Holiness to take up the cause of freedom and democracy.”
The Florida Republican said he didn’t criticize Francis’ personal appeals to help facilitate Gross’ release, but was speaking in response to the White House’s announcement about talks to normalize relations with Cuba after a nearly 50-year embargo with the country.
The pope played a pivotal role through personal appeals to President Barack Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro to help the two countries forge an agreement for the release of Gross, Obama announced on Wednesday.
Danny , I would say building bridges is a bilateral effort somehow in general.Yes. He is aligning himself with the elites who want cheap labor.
Exploit the immigrants and deny working class Americans fair wages.
The Hb1 visa program is rampant with fraud too.
The elites want cheap labor and support global warming issues as they will make money from it.
This is so sad that the Pope does not see he is being played.
Only problem is that he’s not confusing the faithful he’s only confusing politically conservative American Catholics no one else seems to have a problem with the Holy Father. My concern now and going way back is that this Pope keeps saying things that are confusing to the faithful
So the pope said “Who am I to judge?” about people who are born gay and want to have a semblance of a normal life. He then said that people who stress walls instead of bridges are not Christian. How are these conflated. They seem like two entirely different concepts. Do you have a problem with bishops telling us who to vote for, but not the pope? I don’t get what you don’t get.When it came to the gays Pope Francis infamously said “Who am I to judge?” When it comes to Trump he is “not Christian.” Does anyone else see a problem with this? I am not a Trump supporter. In fact, I hate politics. My concern now and going way back is that this Pope keeps saying things that are confusing to the faithful, and the fact that he should be shepherding the flock, not becoming involved with the affairs and the politics of the day. And if Benedict hadn’t resigned for whatever reason I wouldn’t be feeling this way right now. So yes, I am not happy with the latest developments
Literally, the wall.But here is what I don’t understand. You are insisting that the Pope didn’t necessarily condemn Trump. He was talking about some theoretical person who “only thinks about building a wall and not bridges.” and according to you, the Pope is not talking about Trump.
So why are you insisting now that since this is such an important moral issue, we must listen to the Pope and not Trump? What does Trump advocate that the Pope condemns? I thought there was no conflict between the two people.
I wonder, did you ever read what the Pope said about gays? He was saying that if he meets a gay person who has good will and he is trying to live a Christian life (which includes continency and chastity) who was he to judge. He was saying the tendency is not the issue. That is 100% in-line with Catholic teachings. Many gay people do live chaste lives.When it came to the gays Pope Francis infamously said “Who am I to judge?” When it comes to Trump he is “not Christian.” Does anyone else see a problem with this? I am not a Trump supporter. In fact, I hate politics. My concern now and going way back is that this Pope keeps saying things that are confusing to the faithful, and the fact that he should be shepherding the flock, not becoming involved with the affairs and the politics of the day. And if Benedict hadn’t resigned for whatever reason I wouldn’t be feeling this way right now. So yes, I am not happy with the latest developments
When "W’ whispered into into Nancy Pelosi’s ear, on the occasion of Mc Cain trying to weigh in on the financial meltdown of 2008, "Miss me yet?’, he must have been prescientThe problem is how Trump speaks about Mexicans, migrants, refugees, immigrants and Muslims for example…Calling on a ban of Muslims traveling to the USA…and calling for 12 million so called illegals(many of whom are nice good working people) to be deported is probably why the Pope is speaking up…not to mention the Pope is in Mexico and I think maybe the Pope while speaking to Mexicans saw in these Mexicans loving king and wonderful Christians. So the Pope is not at all going against security, but rather…very clearly saying that intolerance has nothing to do with Christianity.
I’m not into politics much btw…I care about people and I will look for leaders who preach tolerance and strength . . GWB said clearly … Islam is peace and those AQ terrorists do not represent Islam. GWB also said it is not the American way to discriminant against others. It is not the American way to deport 12 million people…many of whom are illegals but are still very good productive citizens… There are just as many criminals in that 12 million illegals as there are criminals percentage wise wrt the 300+ million Americans. Trump should take lines from GWB…after all GWB stood up with the firefighters in the after math of 9/11 unifying the country(Muslims, Atheists, Jews and Christians and more) against terrorism.
Yes i understand what you are saying. A lot of Catholics are genuinely asking the same questions.When it came to the gays Pope Francis infamously said “Who am I to judge?” When it comes to Trump he is “not Christian.” Does anyone else see a problem with this? I am not a Trump supporter. In fact, I hate politics. My concern now and going way back is that this Pope keeps saying things that are confusing to the faithful, and the fact that he should be shepherding the flock, not becoming involved with the affairs and the politics of the day. And if Benedict hadn’t resigned for whatever reason I wouldn’t be feeling this way right now. So yes, I am not happy with the latest developments
Trump should not have seen a conflict since the Pope’s words, when taken in their full context, do not condemn a person who is trying to build bridges to those most in need. If Trump plans to build those bridges, then he can assume the Pope’s words do not apply to him, but if Trump has no intention on building any bridges of help, then yes the Pope’s words apply to him.But here is what I don’t understand. You are insisting that the Pope didn’t necessarily condemn Trump. He was talking about some theoretical person who “only thinks about building a wall and not bridges.” and according to you, the Pope is not talking about Trump.
So why are you insisting now that since this is such an important moral issue, we must listen to the Pope and not Trump? What does Trump advocate that the Pope condemns? I thought there was no conflict between the two people.
So, you admit the Pope was talking about Trump and he is against the US building a wall. Are we clear on that?Literally, the wall.
You know ,Good Tidings , in my mind and in my heart I am right now holding some American persons who are.going through hardships and I wonder if these persons would have anything ,any skill or knowledge that could give them a job in Mexico.Literally, the wall.
And now the conservatives are doing that very thing.You just seemed surprised in this instance. I’m just saying you shouldn’t be surprised. We have instances of liberals placing more importance on their political ideology than on the teachings of Jesus.
Hannity attacks the Church a lot. There is close to nothing I’d trust from him regarding the faith.Hannity had a great debate between a priest and the son of the late Jerry Falwel.
Final take - this will be worth 3 - 4 points in SC for Trump and the Pope needs to apologize to Trump. Unless he is ready to start calling out other individual politicians by name.
I think there is a diffrence between having personal distain with the Pope and disagreeing with him strongly on a political issue, an area where I think most Americans on this Forum would agree he is not a policy expert in. I would include Trump in here as well.Only problem is that he’s not confusing the faithful he’s only confusing politically conservative American Catholics no one else seems to have a problem with the Holy Father
Except this topic touches three major rails: politics, morals, and faith.I think there is a diffrence between having personal distain with the Pope and disagreeing with him strongly on a political issue, an area where I think most Americans on this Forum would agree he is not a policy expert in. I would include Trump in here as well.
Planned Parenthood are hardly a conservative organisation, they criticised Pope Francis after his speech to Congress.Only problem is that he’s not confusing the faithful he’s only confusing politically conservative American Catholics no one else seems to have a problem with the Holy Father