Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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Perhaps…yet, maybe that is form of separating the wheat from the chaff.

As wealthy as the USA is, we must find a way to help while maintaining our soveirgnty.
I know of ways to do that, but there is no political will.
I wouldn’t call 20 TRILLION dollars in debt “wealthy.”
 
I wouldn’t call 20 TRILLION dollars in debt “wealthy.”
It’s so horrible how much in debt the USA is in. I can’t imagine the concept of 20 trillion dollars. And we are expected to finance the world’s poor via the current immigration policy? We are already the most generous nation on earth.
 
“That probably says more about his fans than anything else.” I find this a slight to earnest debate and uncharitable.
Respectfully, you seem to find lots of comments uncharitable. If voters don’t care if their preferred candidate speaks without knowing what he’s speaking about, that should frighten us all. I can’t see why you think a lack of charity is at play here instead of direct and honest discussion.
By the same token, the hundreds that have died from illegal aliens, one might as well blame that on the free open borders crowd and that is blaming murders, rape and what have you on those that don’t care to protect our nation.
I honestly don’t know how the above relates to what I wrote.
Better to misspeak than support something that sees some family get in a head-on collision from someone not in this country legally
It’s not an either/or option – there really is a middle ground.
 
When Trump compared his “humility” to that of the Pope, he was joking. The Christian comment by Pope Francis was referring to Christian behavior, not being a Christian. There is an important difference in meaning here.
Oh, I didn’t realize he was joking about the humility thing; I must have read that quote out of context. In that case, then, that’s actually very funny and self-aware and self-deprecating. As far the definition of “Christian,” it seems to me that it’s a question of behavior and action rather than someone simply calling themselves Christian because they possess the type of mindset that wants to be Christian, because they have occasional flashes of inspiration where the idea appeals to them. I think that’s a great thing, and I think it should be encouraged, but it seems to me there should be a more objective, real-world definition of the word. It’s tricky, because one doesn’t want to belittle or be judgemental toward those who are working on being Christian, but at the same time, politicians who cynically use the label to garner votes need to be called out.
 
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Exactly, if there is an earthquake, the Americans go, if there is a famine in Africa, American charities are on top of it trying to help those affected.

Look at the collection plate every Sunday; but we have people who act piously, supporting a government that Christians are becoming more wary of every day.
I’m sorry, but from that link you posted, tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm I think it is blatantly erroneous, in its portrayal of charitable world contribution offered to the USA by foreign nations after natural disasters. Foreign nations HAVE offered the US substantial amounts of aid to help after disasters that have happened on our American soil. The neglectful acknowledgement of these foreign aid efforts to us, in my opinion is an ugly act of pride and ungratefulness. Which is a massive pet peeve of mine and so I’m going to respond.

From the link you posted
tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm
“Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?”
-Yes actually I can:
When Hurricane Katrina struck the United States here is a massive list of International aid that was offered to us by foreign nations:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
I would like to draw your attention to:
Kuwait–They offered us over 500 million worth of oil and humanitarian aid, which we turned down.
Qatar—Offered 100 million dollars
Even some of the poorest countries in the world offered to help us like the 3rd world country Nepal.
Nepal: Offered us 25000 dollars
Bangledesh- (another 3rd world country) offered us 1 million dollars.
And here is Mexico’s help to us from Hurricane Katrina:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

In total over 90 nations offered us assistance to Hurricane Katrina, to the amount of nearly 850 million dollars. And a huge amount of the help that was offered went wasted and unused.

For more reading pleasure and in further response to the error in your link I would like to offer another articlee which further describes foreign aid which has been offered to the United States by foreign nations.
listverse.com/2015/01/14/10-surprising-stories-of-the-united-states-receiving-foreign-aid/
 
I’m sorry, but from that link you posted, tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm I think it is blatantly erroneous, in its portrayal of charitable world contribution offered to the USA by foreign nations after natural disasters. Foreign nations HAVE offered the US substantial amounts of aid to help after disasters that have happened on our American soil. The neglectful acknowledgement of these foreign aid efforts to us, in my opinion is an ugly act of pride and ungratefulness. Which is a massive pet peeve of mine and so I’m going to respond.

From the link you posted
tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm
“Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?”
-Yes actually I can:
When Hurricane Katrina struck the United States here is a massive list of International aid that was offered to us by foreign nations:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
I would like to draw your attention to:
Kuwait–They offered us over 500 million worth of oil and humanitarian aid, which we turned down.
Qatar—Offered 100 million dollars
Even some of the poorest countries in the world offered to help us like the 3rd world country Nepal.
Nepal: Offered us 25000 dollars
Bangledesh- (another 3rd world country) offered us 1 million dollars.
And here is Mexico’s help to us from Hurricane Katrina:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

In total over 90 nations offered us assistance to Hurricane Katrina, to the amount of nearly 850 million dollars. And a huge amount of the help that was offered went wasted and unused.

For more reading pleasure and in further response to the error in your link I would like to offer another articlee which further describes foreign aid which has been offered to the United States by foreign nations.
listverse.com/2015/01/14/10-surprising-stories-of-the-united-states-receiving-foreign-aid/
That is a famous speech from the 1970s, the information provided above is all from recent years, so I find no error in it.

The US has for decades and decades generously given and helped the world out.

It was released actually as a record.

youtube.com/watch?v=Mwv-dndrMDE

I feel it still embodies many truths.
 
That is a famous speech from the 1970s, the information provided above is all from recent years, so I find no error in it.

The US has for decades and decades generously given and helped the world out.

It was released actually as a record.

youtube.com/watch?v=Mwv-dndrMDE

I feel it still embodies many truths.
I think it’s blatantly false.
In the characterization of the US receiving foreign aid. That is wrong, especially in 2016. I think that further propagating that article, today in 2016, it makes us appear like a bunch of spoiled ingrates, to not acknowledge all of the foreign help that our country has received and is currently receiving by the generosity of foreign countries. I, as one US citizen, would like to acknowledge their assistance to us and say thank you. Even though my thanks goes unheard, I am grateful for the help that foreign nations have offered to us and continue to offer to us, especially in our time of need.

And secondly yes the US does offer aid to foreign nations. But we are not the most generous country in the world, and we should take a look at becoming MORE generous…when you look at the amount of aid that the US offers from our GDP compared to other countries we are number 21.
statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-in-foreign-aid-statistics/
Sweden is number 1 gives .99 pecent of their GDP in foreign aid to other countries…and all the way down the line is the USA in the 21st spot which gives only .19 percent of our GDP in aid to foreign countries.
 
And secondly yes the US does offer aid to foreign nations. But we are not the most generous country in the world, and we should take a look at becoming MORE generous…when you look at the amount of aid that the US offers from our GDP compared to other countries we are number 21.
statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-in-foreign-aid-statistics/
Sweden is number 1 gives .99 pecent of their GDP in foreign aid to other countries…and all the way down the line is the USA in the 21st spot which gives only .19 percent of our GDP in aid to foreign countries.
Indeed. The US has never once met the amount of 0.7% GDP in foreign aid recommended by the UN – an amount the US agreed to provide.
 
Our Charities do fine.

It is not always the jobs of the Government, the Federal Government exactly which many perceive as having acted against Christians and the Federal Government pushing immorality.

The Federal Government is messing the nation up, there is no reason to trust them with immigration.

They have released those in our country illegally who have criminal records who then go out and commit crimes.
 
The stats are meaningless unless you combine private donations with Govt largess. I suspect private donations are significant.

The US also gives indirectly through our Military. Countries such as Sweden have been able to drastically scale back their military spend precisely because NATO (USA) provides a stabilizing capability across the globe.
I think it’s blatantly false.
In the characterization of the US receiving foreign aid. That is wrong, especially in 2016. I think that further propagating that article, today in 2016, it makes us appear like a bunch of spoiled ingrates, to not acknowledge all of the foreign help that our country has received and is currently receiving by the generosity of foreign countries. I, as one US citizen, would like to acknowledge their assistance to us and say thank you. Even though my thanks goes unheard, I am grateful for the help that foreign nations have offered to us and continue to offer to us, especially in our time of need.

And secondly yes the US does offer aid to foreign nations. But we are not the most generous country in the world, and we should take a look at becoming MORE generous…when you look at the amount of aid that the US offers from our GDP compared to other countries we are number 21.
statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-in-foreign-aid-statistics/
Sweden is number 1 gives .99 pecent of their GDP in foreign aid to other countries…and all the way down the line is the USA in the 21st spot which gives only .19 percent of our GDP in aid to foreign countries.
 
As of 2009, the Canadian government has still not achieved this goal. It currently donates only 0.34% of its GNP as international aid (roughly half of what it pledged to donate four decades ago). Canada is not alone; among the 22 rich world countries, only 5 have succeeded in donating this percentage of their GNP (Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Norway and Sweden). But while some call on the government to fulfill its 40 year old promise to increase aid, many wish to see funding for aid dramatically cut. They argue that too much aid money is wasted or embezzled by corrupt foreign governments, and what extremely impoverished nations really need to escape from extreme poverty is a set of market reforms which champion the private sector.
Give a man to fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime
 
World Giving Index, for some reason, Myanmar, a Buddhist nation has been at the top of the giving index in at least about the last 2 years:

  1. *]Myanmar
    *]USA
    *]New Zealand
    *]Canada

  1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index

    I’m sorry, I don’t think our government is a charity, if it gives money out, let us efficiently, take care of our own peoples and do what else we can.
 
Give a man to fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime
Another problem with only reporting Govt Aid are the strings that are attached. For many donor countries it ends up being a clever way to subsidize their local industries, who are guaranteed the Aid Projects as a condition of a country receiving the aid. Country X will finance a new power plant on condition their companies supply the project management and industrial machinery.
 
Another problem with only reporting Govt Aid are the strings that are attached. For many donor countries it ends up being a clever way to subsidize their local industries, who are guaranteed the Aid Projects as a condition of a country receiving the aid. Country X will finance a new power plant on condition their companies supply the project management and industrial machinery.
I’ve been distressed about Boko Haram in Nigeria but even sending weapons to Nigeria to fight BH was caught up in a lot of corruption per the news there. Corruption is a huge problem.

Also, if one wants to talk about government charity, then, I would add in what the US spends on its own citizens per entitlement programs and others. But no, somehow, what was discussed was foreign aid.

And there is also the “Perceived Corruption Index” map that was posted here a few weeks ago. I won’t find it now, but it is out there.

But maybe that is getting off-topic a bit, still, the world giving index is an indicator of how much a country cares about charity.
 
The stats are meaningless unless you combine private donations with Govt largess. I suspect private donations are significant.

The US also gives indirectly through our Military. Countries such as Sweden have been able to drastically scale back their military spend precisely because NATO (USA) provides a stabilizing capability across the globe.
As your signature says Facts Matter.

nationalpriorities.org/blog/2013/05/06/how-much-foreign-aid-does-us-give-away/
In 2013 the US gave
23 Billion in Humanitarian assistance
and
14 Billion in Military assistance.
For a total of 37 Billion in both Humanitarian aid and military aid.

Our GDP in 2013 was 16.663 trillion dollars. And yet our total amount of US foreign aid in both Humanitarian and Military assistance totaled 37 Billion dollars. Which computes to only 0.22 percent of our GDP. Our countries stinginess with giving is not something that we should be proud of, in fact I am most certainly underwhelmed with the US’ generosity in foreign aid assistance.
 
World Giving Index, for some reason, Myanmar, a Buddhist nation has been at the top of the giving index in at least about the last 2 years:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index

I’m sorry, I don’t think our government is a charity, if it gives money out, let us efficiently, take care of our own peoples and do what else we can.
That’s because Buddhists tend to take their faith seriously, and often actually act in accordance with Buddha. America’s foreign policy has more in common with Satanism than it does with Christianity, so it’s meanness and uncharitableness shouldn’t come as a surprise.
 
As your signature says Facts Matter.

nationalpriorities.org/blog/2013/05/06/how-much-foreign-aid-does-us-give-away/
In 2013 the US gave
23 Billion in Humanitarian assistance
and
14 Billion in Military assistance.
For a total of 37 Billion in both Humanitarian aid and military aid.

Our GDP in 2013 was 16.663 trillion dollars. And yet our total amount of US foreign aid in both Humanitarian and Military assistance totaled 37 Billion dollars. Which computes to only 0.22 percent of our GDP. Our countries stinginess with giving is not something that we should be proud of, in fact I am most certainly underwhelmed with the US’ generosity in foreign aid assistance.
As I’ve pointed out your stats have huge HUGE gaps in what we provide.
  • you didn’t include any non-governmental giving
  • your military aid excludes what we spend ourselves to maintain foreign bases or a Navy that provides the world with stability.
I also pointed out that many Aid projects are simply a way to subsidize local industries, which greatly complicates measuring the good you doing in a foreign country.

Facts do matter
 
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