Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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Peebo said:
May I ask if you are uneducated…illiterate…unable to speak English…penniless…as most of those coming from south of the border are…then how did you manage to get into the US…
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There are plenty of penniless uneducated illiterates who can’t speak English in China. Some of my family members are in that category. Where can I drop them off in Mexico so they can walk across the border and join me here?

As for myself, actually the thought of coming to America never entered into my mind until I met my husband in China, who is an American.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I think you misunderstood what I said. The first cited article quotes the CDC as saying there IS an increased risk of infectious disease arising out of immigration, particularly from Mexico. From the article:

“The sheer number of people who live, work, and travel between the United States and Mexico has led to a sharing of culture and commerce, as well as the easy transportation of infectious diseases,” CDC writes on its website. “The large movement of people across the United States and Mexico border has led to an increase in health issues, particularly infectious diseases such as tuberculosis.”

For this reason, CDC and its Mexican counterpart have established a disease-surveillance infrastructure on the border.

CDC specifically cites the possibility of the cross-border movement of “HIV, measles, pertussis, rubella, rabies, hepatitis A, influenza, tuberculosis, shigellosis, syphilis, Mycobacterium bovis infection, brucellosis, and foodborne diseases, such as infections associated with raw cheese and produce,” though vaccination has helped reduce the risk."

I’ll grant that others in the article challenge that. But one has to assume the CDC didn’t just pull that out of nowhere. And directing me to prove or disprove that the CDC is right is a real stretch. If one wishes to dispute the CDC, it’s his/her obligation to show why the CDC is wrong. And a couple of statements by medical practitioners seems rather short of that to me. In the second article, there’s no authority given at all.
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That is not the speculation I was referring to. I was referring specifically to your speculation that the incidence of antibiotic resistant strains is due to immigrants misusing antibiotics. There is nothing in what you have quoted from the CDC that says that. This plays well into the Trump narrative that the condition of those is need is their own fault, and therefore we have lesser of an obligation to help them.
 
Peebo said:
So to all Catholics who say there is nothing in Catholic teaching to say there is anything wrong about building a wall to keep illegals out…if the shoe was on the other foot and you were the one desperate enough for the chance of a better life for yourself and your family…you would have no problem accepting that those Catholics who want to keep you and your family out have a moral justifiable argument to build a wall for the sole purpose of making sure you fail in you attempt for that chance of a better life for your family…yeah right
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So a country should just let everyone who “wants a better life” from around the world into the country? Without considering the impact this will have on existing society, national debt, wages for the lower class, our stretched welfare programs, etc. I’m sorry but that’s not immigration, that an INVASION.
 
irishpatrick said:
I know–we an slow it down, but it will never stop so long as the problems persist in Mexico. We are, in truth, turning away from the source of the problem, and turning toward just locking the door.

I am not sure how a Catholic sense of compassion has managed to co thoroughly disappear in this country.
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Americans do not have the authority to fix Mexico’s problems for them. Only Mexico has the authority to deal with their own problems.

What Americans can do is to make it clear to the world that it is not magic or luck or even imperialistic exploitation that has made America such a magnet for economic immigrants. It is the particular system of capitalism that America has in place that raises the bottom line for everybody.
Mexico is a democracy. This is really up to the people to find a style of government that advocates the kind of system that America has.

That alone will fix the problem, and that is in the hands of Mexicans themselves, and not Americans. It is not a problem that Americans are too tight-fisted and selfish. It is the Mexican system that is in need of repair and love, sweet love is not the solution to a system that does not work.
 
irishpatrick said:
I know–we an slow it down, but it will never stop so long as the problems persist in Mexico. We are, in truth, turning away from the source of the problem, and turning toward just locking the door.

I am not sure how a Catholic sense of compassion has managed to co thoroughly disappear in this country.
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No, an open border as it is now, is a source of hardship,

It encourages organized crime, many of the illegal immigrant women are raped, many immigrants die in the desert.

Open Borders is not compassionate.
 
Path_Finder said:
No, an open border as it is now, is a source of hardship,

It encourages organized crime, many of the illegal immigrant women are raped, many immigrants die in the desert.

Open Borders is not compassionate.
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gracepoole said:
And that’s a serious misreading of the Pope’s comments. One that, frankly, I don’t know why we should care about.
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We should care about it because it confuses not only non-Catholics about the Church, but Catholics as well.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Americans do not have the authority to fix Mexico’s problems for them. Only Mexico has the authority to deal with their own problems.

What Americans can do is to make it clear to the world that it is not magic or luck or even imperialistic exploitation that has made America such a magnet for economic immigrants.
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Ah, but it is a great deal of luck, or if you like, grace from God. We have nothing by our own merit. Every good gift, every resource, is an undeserved gift from God, to be used as He wills. We are only stewards, not owners.
 
Path_Finder said:
No, an open border as it is now, is a source of hardship,

It encourages organized crime, many of the illegal immigrant women are raped, many immigrants die in the desert.

Open Borders is not compassionate.
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It is a source of hardship precisely because it is not really open. Otherwise there would be no need to rely on help from criminals to cross it.
 
Round_Hill said:
So a country should just let everyone who “wants a better life” from around the world into the country? Without considering the impact this will have on existing society, national debt, wages for the lower class, our stretched welfare programs, etc.
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Yes.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
That is not the speculation I was referring to. I was referring specifically to your speculation that the incidence of antibiotic resistant strains is due to immigrants misusing antibiotics. There is nothing in what you have quoted from the CDC that says that. This plays well into the Trump narrative that the condition of those is need is their own fault, and therefore we have lesser of an obligation to help them.
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Nobody, including Trump said it was “their own fault”. Antibiotic misuse is encouraged in countries that don’t regulate it appropriately. It is not the “fault” of the people who self-treat, though they shouldn’t do it.

But there are a lot of articles on the problem. Here’s one. You won’t like the source, but perhaps you would like the WSJ source better. eagleforum.org/publications/column/immigration-danger-from-drug-resistant-tb.html
 
LeafByNiggle said:
That is not the problem. There are plenty of charitable organizations ready and willing to find housing for immigrants.
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You do know they are paid by the government to do so? Where does that money come from?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It is a source of hardship precisely because it is not really open. Otherwise there would be no need to rely on help from criminals to cross it.
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Perhaps the people need to know what they are doing, I have little doubt I could walk along the Rio Grande and find a place to try to walk/swim across and doing that within a day.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Open your house first. How many bedrooms do you have in your house? How many people can you board?
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Personally, I have a problem with the “generosity” of people and organizations who want the public to support a lot of immigrants, but wouldn’t sponsor one for any reason at all. Why, there’s financial risk in sponsoring an immigrant, better to shift the risk to someone else, right?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
That is not the problem. There are plenty of charitable organizations ready and willing to find housing for immigrants.
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The problem is that these organizations use TAXPAYER money to resettle and house these people, and most stay on government assistance after they are settled. When you use taxpayer money, it becomes more of a government program, rather than a charitable program.
 
Path_Finder said:
No, an open border as it is now, is a source of hardship,

It encourages organized crime, many of the illegal immigrant women are raped, many immigrants die in the desert.

Open Borders is not compassionate.
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Good point
 
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