Power of the Rosary---is this True?

[edwinG]

TTM:

Hi,

Mary is very much alive alright, and alive in Christ . I’m surprised you think it would make it “difficult”. Do you think that presence of the Arc of the Covenant made it difficult for God to work among the Israelites? No, it was just the opposite. It was a channel of grace. Same thing here.

The scriptural evidence that the Arc is indeed the type for Mary is, quite frankly, overwhelming. Check out the parallels:

• The ark spent time in the hill country of Judea, and Mary went to the hill country of Judea to visit Elizabeth;
• David said “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?”, and Elizabeth said “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”;
• the ark stayed in the house of Obed-edom for three months, and Mary stayed in the house of Zachariah for three months;
• David leaped before the ark when he finally got it to Jerusalem, and the baby John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth’s womb when she heard Mary’s greeting.
  (source: fictional dialogue on Mary)
• The old arc carried the Manna (bread from Heaven), Aaron’s rod (symbolising priesthood) and the ten commandments (God’s Word in stone). Mary carried Jesus who is the true bread from Heaven, the true and Eternal Priest, and God’s Word made flesh. Kewl huh?

God bless,
TTM

HI TTM
Yes Very Kewl, but not convincing for me.
To me God gave very explicit instructions for the building of the arc and on its treatment. There is a lot more in scripture about the arc then there is about Mary. Did any one die because they touched Mary, was she that Holy? Kewl it is but not appropriate LOL
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[edwinG]

Gene C.:

Hi EdwinG,

The Kingdom of God is a family. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. God has adopted us into His family through His only-begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. I know you agree with this so I won’t even ask.

Jesus’ Mother is now your Mother?

Grace and peace to you,
Gene C.

Hi Gene C,
LOL, oops no the first part did throw me, so you do need to ask.
Yes I agree with this while we are on earth as sinners, but once we are in a resurrected state see around Matthew 22:30.
etc and in the resurrection are all like angels of God in heaven.
No sex. No marrying no children, no mothers, but yes a Father to all. I feel sure Mary will also be like an angel, not separate like a special woman. What do you think?
I think Mary is a saint like all the other saints and for her wonderful and glorious work she will receive her full reward in the kingdom of God.
Christ be with you
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edwinG

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

edwinG:

I feel sure Mary will also be like an angel, not separate like a special woman. What do you think?

Catholics beleive that all of the saints are in union with God. Mary is an individual - but she is also in union with God. We are all special in the eyes of God. This does not however diminish Mary’s role in our lives.

We all have roles ordained by God. Right now I’m playing a role in your life and likewise you are playing a role in mine.

Take care and God bless.

 

[MariaG]

posted by EdwinG

Praise the sun for its warmth and goodness, praise the oceans for the fish etc etc and is God happy when we praise His creations.
Is God glorified when we honor the sun or the solar system, his creations?

Yes! Yes! Yes! If I look at a sunset, and say to you oh how beautiful. And in my heart, I sing praises to God for the glorious creation He made for us, Yes! Is God happy when we praise His creations with the underlying love, honor and glory for Him? Yes!

And that is what all the words of honor for Mary are. Looking at His creation, declaring its beauty and singing praises in our heart for God’s glorious works.

You said my words were painful for you. Ask your self what makes them painful. I only stress Christ and the Holy Spirit.

What makes them painful is the fact that you stress what you perceive as the Lack of Christ and the Holy Spirit in my Life and in the life of other Catholic Christians.

The reason it is so painful is because if I can fail to help you, a man who loves Christ so clearly, to see the truth that is held in the Catholic Church, I despair of ever reaching anyone on this forum. I wonder if I can ever reach my friends who stumble around in the incomplete truth of fundamental Christianity. I depair that Satan has such a stranglehold on the Christian Church that the Christianity of The Catholic Church is lost on so many. That honoring the Mother of God must be defended.

To those of us here, it is such a simple truth. Be like Christ. Christ honored His Mother and Father, we can do no less.

But then to have that simple truth twisted into a denial for our love and worship of the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit is painful. It is as incomprehensible as saying that by loving child #1 you take away love for your husband. They are different kinds of love. And Both should be expressed fully and without restraints.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

 

[Gene_C]

Hi Edwin,

Matthew 22:30:
"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”

You said:
“Yes I agree with this while we are on earth as sinners, but once we are in a resurrected state see around Matthew 22:30.
etc and in the resurrection are all like angels of God in heaven.
No sex. No marrying no children, no mothers, but yes a Father to all. I feel sure Mary will also be like an angel, not separate like a special woman. What do you think?”

The verse does not say what you are saying, Edwin. It just says there will be no marriage in the future Kingdom of God. My relationship with my wife will be different in the Kingdom. That’s all it says.

The Kingdom of God is and always will be a family. But you are right: it will not be like the families we know here on earth.

Edwin, if Jesus is your Savior, then He is your Brother. And through Him, God is your Father. And His mother is also your mother, your spiritual mother. Is that so hard to accept? So are you telling me that in the future Kingdom of God, Jesus will no longer be your Brother? Of course not. It’s such an easy leap to make.

There is a reason why this is not spelled out clearly for us in Scripture. A lot of things are not spelled out clearly for us in Scripture. But this has to do with the development of Christian doctrine and who has the right and authority to interpret Scripture. Would you like to start a separate discussion on the fallacy of Sola Scriptura? It’s an interesting subject. I’m sure we’ll both learn much from it.

Blessings to you,
Gene

 

[KittyKat]

HI,

I just wanted to say that before the rosary was in practice there were prayer beads in which someone would say 150 Our Fathers (or atleast that is what I was always taught) and similar prayers of repitition to help people focus.

And if some of the people who do not know how to to pray the rosary would be interested in learning. There are great books aimed at children that have word for word instructions on it, and there are also great websites that do this.

Kat

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

MariaG:

The reason it is so painful is because if I can fail to help you, a man who loves Christ so clearly…I despair of ever reaching anyone on this forum. I wonder if I can ever reach my friends who stumble around in the incomplete truth of fundamental Christianity. I despair that Satan has such a stranglehold on the Christian Church that the Christianity of The Catholic Church is lost on so many. That honoring the Mother of God must be defended.

Do not despair MariaG. Everything happens for a reason. EdwinG came to this forum and to this particular thread for a reason that may not be entirely clear, even to him yet. If EdwinG is sincere (as all indications so far seem to be), he will be led to the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church which is the Catholic Church founded by Christ himself. Conversion happens over the course of time…it may even occur 30 years from now when you or I may not even be around to see it happen first hand.

Continue to set the example for your friends, they will be reached if their hearts are open to the truth. We are called to carry our crosses daily…keep that in mind as you pray for them. Keep defending our Blessed Mother…she is honored that you love her so dearly. Jesus is pleased that you love his mother so much.

Thanks for defending the faith!

 

[mrS4ntA]

edwinG:

…
Praise the sun for its warmth and goodness, praise the oceans for the fish etc etc and is God happy when we praise His creations.
Is God glorified when we honor the sun or the solar system, his creations?
…

Yes!

You walk in a art exhibit. You admire a painting, and the artist was there beside you. If you praise the painting, wouldn’t the artist be honoured? Or do you consider this action “de-humanising” to him and praise his fingers instead?

 

[mrS4ntA]

Edwin,

I perused again through St Louis de Montfort’s work True Devotion (to the Blessed Virgin Mary), and come accross this little passage addressing some of your “concerns”, and it illustrated my points earlier on about how the Blessed Virgin leads one to a greater understanding and love of God:

"20. God the Holy Spirit, who does not produce any divine person, became fruitful through Mary whom he espoused. It was with her, in her and of her that he produced his masterpiece, God-made-man, and that he produces every day until the end of the world the members of the body of this adorable Head. For this reason the more he finds Mary his dear and inseparable spouse in a soul the more powerful and effective he becomes in producing Jesus Christ in that soul and that soul in Jesus Christ.

1. This does not mean that the Blessed Virgin confers on the Holy Spirit a fruitfulness which he does not already possess. Being God, he has the ability to produce just like the Father and the Son, although he does not use this power and so does not produce another divine person. But it does mean that the Holy Spirit chose to make use of our Blessed Lady, although he had no absolute need of her, in order to become actively fruitful in producing Jesus Christ and his members in her and by her. This is a mystery of grace unknown even to many of the most learned and spiritual of Christians."

 

[edwinG]

MariaG:

Yes! Yes! Yes! Him? Yes!

Hi Maria,
Please look at your words. I posted about praising God’s creations as being wrong and Mary is a creation of God and then you agree and say Yes yes yes , but then change the words later saying you praise God. Maria I praise God also. I am saying His creations are not to be praised. You can use which word or words you like, but I can give thanks to God for Mary but I dont praise her, or pray to her. I dont praise the sun or pray to the sun. I praise God and worship Him alone.

of honor for Mary are.
What makes them painful is the fact that you stress what you perceive as the Lack of Christ and the Holy Spirit in my Life and in the life of other Catholic Christians.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

Maria I have to cut out about 13++ words and I am rushing so I am just going to chop some off the bottom. Please forgive me if they are very important to your post.
Maria,
note the word in block for . Are you now telling me that your words of honor are to God for Mary and not to Mary. This I can accept. If all honor and glory are to God and the prayer is to Him I have no problem at all. My problem is praying to a creation of Gods and not to Him.
As you post and you look at other peoples posts Maria watch how the words To and For are interchanged to suit the writings. You will see an inconsistency. This inconsistency is also notable in The Church and the catholic church. The poster starts a post with the church ( Jesus) and switches to catholic church half way through.
Perceive. Maria my perception is based entirely on the words in this forum I. In Christs name I would be so so pleased to be wrong and to see more spontaneous outpourings for the Holy Spirit than for Mary.
This would be an outward display of the fruit. Remember, I am not even thinking you are without the Holy Spirit, because I believe what the bible says, He will never leave you.
Maybe your dissapointments are in part due to a lack of faith in Jesus. I mean this is your belief that only in the catholic church can one be saved. And even in this if you are right, you are not working patiently in Christ trusting in His time. Paul did not come to Christ until Christ was ready for him. Dont put time limits on Him and you may have more joy.
I am not being stubborn. . I see more things that upset me. Apparantly there is more than one scapular. Again I ask, what is wrong with the Holy Spirit that lives in you. Why go to an outside source? This is useless conversation on my part.
Did Christ pray to His father? Did Christ pray to His mother?As she is a saint I honor Mary. I dont pray to her.
You are talking about Satan in the christian church. Do many of the christian churches share a very similar bible. If Christ is in the lowest common denominator why are the extra bits necessary? Christ will not bruise the tenderest bud, so once one receives Him, and the Holy Spirit one always has these gifts. Do you think that Christ works only at 30% for some churches and 100% for the roman catholic church. You can not tell me I am not in Christ. It makes no sense to me that God with all His almighty wisdom and power would call someone and then at some later date have them change their denomination. Do you think He would do this?
I must away Maria.
I am sorry my words have caused you hurt. I hope you find the faith or patience or what you need to be a salve for this hurt.
Remember I love you Maria. I have no desire to bring any anguish to you that is not for your benefit.
As I said in another post today, I feel God puts us near people because it is from them we can learn. Of look in the homosexual post. That is where I mentioned it.
Christ be with you
walk in love
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[mrS4ntA]

edwinG:

… Again I ask, what is wrong with the Holy Spirit that lives in you?
…

How many “Holy Spirit(s)” do you think there are? Nothing can be wrong with the Holy Spirit; He is God!

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

It appears this thread is going around in circles. Unfortunately, written lanuage can be so easily taken out of context - particularly on a forum such as this. I hope edwinG undersands that the Holy Spirit thrives within the Catholic Church and within us…it’s up to him to recognize that…all we can do is give him the tools to find the answers on his own.

Having said that, if our conversations are only confusing the issue, it might be best to refer him to credible sources supporting our position.

Here’s a good tract on the Rosary. Enjoy the reading :

catholic.com/library/Rosary.asp

 

[MariaG]

Edwin,

I understood exactly what your point was. My point is this

Praise =/= Worship

Devotion =/= Worship

Worship is for God Alone.

Do you not praise your children for a job well done? Do you not praise those who work for you? Do you not compliment and praise your wife on a meal well cooked?

Praise does not equal Worship. You say praise and worship are for God alone, but do you honestly mean to tell me you never praise anyone on a job well done? And even if for you, praise equals worship, I can emphatically state that I can praise my children in a much different way than I praise God. I praise my husband with a different emotion than I use when I praise God. Understand this and you are on your way to understanding Catholic thinking.

Maybe your dissapointments are in part due to a lack of faith in Jesus. I mean this is your belief that only in the catholic church can one be saved.

I do not believe that you must be an official member of the Catholic Church to be saved nor is that the official teaching of the Catholic Church.

note the word in block for . Are you now telling me that your words of honor are to God for Mary and not to Mary. This I can accept. If all honor and glory are to God and the prayer is to Him I have no problem at all.

Ultimately, yes, that is what it is all about. The flowery words come back to honor God, because without God, Mary is nothing. Words about Mary bring honor and Glory to God.

As you post and you look at other peoples posts Maria watch how the words To and For are interchanged to suit the writings. You will see an inconsistency.

The Catholic Religion is an old one. The word “pray” has several meanings. Pray to God we would both agree on. Pray also means to ask in a more common usage. It used to be used by people talking to other people. They are not “praying to God” that a person will listen to them, they just are asking a person to put some serious thought into it before they answer. For example, to a judge in court, “I pray you would consider the following arguments” They are not praying to God, they are just asking the judge for serious consideration. This kind of language is still used in England courts today.

They not using the word in the same sense non-Catholic Christians use the word today. Worship also used to have other meanings also. It used to be applied to Mary and the saints. This is no longer done, because today, the meaning has a much narrower focus. That is why the Catholic Church has very exact words to describe the worship that is reserved for God Alone. The definition of worship used to be much more broad than it is today.

So for many “cradle Catholics” saying
pray to Mary = ask Mary to pray for us

That is why you see it used interchangably by some. People like me are more sensitive to what non-Catholic Christians “hear” when people say pray to Mary, and do not use it. Asking an old religion to change the way it talks just because it is not understood today by others is a little unreasonable. Once again, it is a case of Catholic shorthand. “Everyone knows” that we don’t pray to Mary in the same manner one would pray to God. In today’s language, it is more accurate to say we ask Mary to pray for us. This is the same way I would ask you to pray for me.

(continued)

 

[MariaG]

And even in this if you are right, you are not working patiently in Christ trusting in His time.

I believe you are right. I know I am not being patient. I also know that Christ is trying to teach me patience. I WANT IT NOW

You can not tell me I am not in Christ. It makes no sense to me that God with all His almighty wisdom and power would call someone and then at some later date have them change their denomination. Do you think He would do this?

I would never telll you that you are not a Christian. You obviously are. Do I think God would have them change their denomination? :yup: That is what He asked me to do. He first called be to Him in a Nazarene Church, He then called me to an Assembly of God where I saw wonderous workings of the Holy Spirit, then to an Evangelical where I saw the importance of missionary work. Finally He called me to the Catholic Church because of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

I know you did not mean to cause me hurt Edwin. It is my own impatience that is causing it.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

 

[dcdurel]

edwinG:

Hi dcdure,
Psalm15 4
My reading of this passage is that “God honors those who fear Him”

Lets read it again,
This is the RSV translation, a Protestant translation:
------------- Psalms 15:1 -----------
1 ¶ A Psalm of David. O LORD, who
shall sojourn in thy tent? Who shall
dwell on thy holy hill?
2 He who walks blamelessly, and
does what is right, and speaks truth
from his heart;
3 who does not slander with his
tongue, and does no evil to his
friend, nor takes up a reproach
against his neighbor;
4… but who honors those who
fear the LORD;

Thus
Who “shall dwell on thy holy hill”?
refers to the person who "does what is right and speaks truth from his heart and “who honors those who fear the Lord”

Thus, the Holy Spirit inspired David to write that those who “honor those who fear the Lord” will dwell with Him in heaven.
Thus one of the requirments of going to heaven is to “honor those who fear the Lord”. God says we must honor other men who fear the Lord. And those in heaven fear the Lord perfectly, without error.

This passage again, clearly contradicts your “tradition of men” which comes from Calvin and Luther, which says if we honor those who fear the Lord, then we are taking away the honor due to Christ alone. In other words, the teaching of Calvin and Luther is not based on the word of God, but it is based on their own reasoning.
It sounds plausible, so millions of Protestants believe it. Even when I was a young Catholic, I thought (in my pride) that the Church honors Mary too much. In other words, the idea that we should honor God alone is not found in the word of God, but it is the result of reasoning of men. And because men have pride, they don’t want to admit they are wrong. The Catholic Church is different in that ALL her teachings are based on the Word of God.
This is because the Catholic Church is not a man made religion, like Protestantism, but it is a Divine Religion. Jesus Christ started it Himself and He commanded that we all believe His Church. He never said to believe Luther or Calvin, or our own reasoning.

 

[dcdurel]

In your posts you presuppose that I believe in praying to those in rest, and I dont. To me the saints who have left earth are aware and resting and not to be disturbed.

Again, you are using your own thoughts and reasoning in place of the word of God. Notice your words “to me” the “saints … are resting and not to be disturbed”
You are basing your religion on your opinions instead of the Word of God. I know that is the only way Protestants can reason, because since they only have the bible and the bible is not clear on teachings it makes it mandatory to base much of your religion on your opinion. In other words, since the bible is not complete, one has to make up opinions to fill in what is incomplete.
Again, the Catholic Church is not like that. Everything the Catholic Church teaches is based on the Word of God, whether handed down from the apostles in Apostolic Tradition, or in scripture. Nothing the Church teaches is based on man’s opinion.

Thus I will attempt to show that those in heaven are certainly not resting and “not to be disturbed”.
Jesus says Lu 15:7 “there
will be more joy in heaven over
one sinner who repents than over
ninety-nine righteous persons who
need no repentance.”

Notice that those in heaven are so eager for us to repent that our repentance brings them joy. Now we all know that those in heaven are perfectly happy and in union with God, who is all good and the source of all happiness. Yet, our repentance brings them joy, even though they were with the infinite source of joy, God, Himself. Thus, we can hardly say they are only “resting” and not to be disturbed.
They have to have joy over our prayers of repentance because they love us and they have to pray for us. They have to pray for us, because in heaven they always do God’s will, and God clearly said we must make intercessions for ALL men. Notice what the Holy Spirit inspired:
1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge
that supplications, prayers,
** intercessions**, and thanksgivings
** be made for all men,
**
Thus, those in heaven must obey God and make “intercessions” “for all men”, and they love God and love us perfectly, so of course they would want to pray for us. If you love your son, daughter, mother, etc, don’t you want to pray for them? Of course. It is only those who don’t love who don’t pray. And those in heaven love perfectly. Thus they pray for us and are concerned for us.

 

[dcdurel]

Intercession is for the benefit of the intercessor more than any one else, as God knows what the person wants.

Intercesson does not help the intercessor, for he is not the one who needs help. Intercession helps the one who benefits from the intercessor.
In numbers 41 the people complained against God, so He sent serpents to bite them. Now there were over 1 million Isrealites in the desert at this time. Can you imagine, over 1 million praying directly to God. But God did not answer the prayers of a single one. Then the Holy Spirit inspired these words to be recorded.

Nu 21:7 And the people came to
Moses, and said, “We have sinned,
for we have spoken against the
LORD and against you; pray to the
LORD, that he take away the
serpents from us.” So Moses
prayed for the people.

Moses did not benefit from the intercession, because he did not sin against the Lord. Moses was not being bitten. It was the people. ** But God would not answer their prayers until they went through an intercessor**.
Thus the Holy Spirit is trying to teach that **God wants us to use intercessors. **How can He be more explicit? Is the Holy Spirit wrong??

But, if that didn’t sink in God gives another more explicit example:
in Job 42
When the friends of Job had spoken falsely,
God, instead of directly granting them pardon,
commanded them to ask Job’s intercession:
“go to my servant Job and
sacrifice a burnt offering for
yourselves. ** My servant Job will pray
for you, and I will accept his prayer
and not deal with you according to
your folly. ** You have not spoken of me
what is right, as my servant Job
has.” (Job 42:8)
So again, God did not want only prayers directly to
Him, but **He wanted intercessory prayer.
**

 

[dcdurel]

I do not agree and in fact can not more strongly disagree with Mary being the only one able to help us.
****.
The whole Mass, except for one prayer, is a prayer directly to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. This is the supreme act of worship. Now at times, because of our sinfulness, direct prayer to God is not enough. It is still necessary, but not enough. I just finished quoting verse after verse. . So at times, yes, only Mary can help.

**The words are " Only I will be able to help you" our lady at Fatima. **
Explain where God is .
Explain where Christ is.
Explain where the Holy Spirit is.

They are waiting for us to honor Mary and ask her intercession, like they taught the Church for 2000 years.
They are the same place that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit were when they would not answer the prayers of the Israelites who were being bitten because they complained against God and the same place they were when God commanded the friends of Job to use intercessory prayer.
Have you not read the passages I quoted over and over where God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit will not answer our prayers, unless we go through a holy and righteous intercessor.
At the desert when bitten by serpents, ONLY Moses was able to help the people. For God, the prayers directly to Him were not sufficient.
When the friends of Job complained, only Job was able to help his friends. The sacrifice of the friends of Job was not sufficient. He also wanted Job to pray for them.
Lets read the New Testament.
When the wine ran out at the wedding feast at Cana. Jesus made it clear that His time had not come, and He was not about to perform a miracle for anyone else. But He did for Mary. ONLY Mary was able to help get more wine.
In the book of James, he recalls how it did not rain for 3 years. Just think, millions and millions of Jews praying for rain, day in and day out for weeks, months and years. God did not answer a single prayer that went directly to Him from those millions and millions of people. Of course He wanted them to pray to Him, but their prayers were not enough because of their pride and sinfulness. Only Elijah was able to help. (James 5:16-17)
Do you see what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach you through His Church? God wants us ALL to share in the work of salvation.
Did Jesus preach the Gospel alone, or did He found a Church of men to carry on His work? He wants MEN to share in the work of salvation. Thus, at times, only Mary can help, only Moses can help and only the saints can help. Prayer directly to God will not be sufficent.
Does Jesus want us to go to Him alone, or does He want us to also use men in the work of salvation and ask them to interceed?
Thus at times, prayer directly to Jesus is insufficient. At times Jesus will require that we use holy and righteous people to pray for us. The bible makes that clear over and over, and I left out many other examples.

Also on another matter could you please give to me the official name or title Mary has in the catholic church. Thanks
Christ be with you walk in love
edwinG

Mary has many titles. The first and most important is that she is The mother of God.
This is not something she did on her own. God made her His mother, but of course she had to cooperate. Thus, this title comes from God. For the Holy Spirit (name removed by moderator)ired Elizabeth to call her, “the mother of My Lord”
Since the Holy Spirit honors her with this title, we MUST imitate God who is all good, and honor His mother also.
Does Satan honor Mary with this title? No.
Does the Holy Spirit honor Mary with this title? Yes.
Think about it. The Holy Spirit honored Mary over and over. The devil never honors Mary. Who should we imitate?
Who do we imitate?
… the devil, who never honors Mary,
… or Jesus, who honors His Mother perfectly.

 

[edwinG]

Stylteralmaldo:

Perhaps you could share this convincing scriptural evidence?

Thanks edwinG!

Hi Stylteralmaldo,
I am sorry I am late in answering and I am already rushed. I am already 39 minutes late in going to bed. LOL Next week, I hope to have Thursday and Friday free so hopefully I can catch up.
Quickly, Saul (king) contacted Samuel and Samuel said to the king for Saul was king, why have you disturbed me. Daniel was told to go to his rest. Lazarus did not even speak to the man who contacted him but Abraham spoke on his behalf ( he was resting) and said the man could not get any help. Jesus instructed us to pray to God. Are catholics telling me Jesus short changed us. Why would He tell us half a truth, and rob us of something if it was true. Jesus was never recorded praying to those dead to earth. Sure Moses and Elijah visited Jesus, but we have no evidence He went to them for help. I could guess that they came as a witness to Jesus and maybe that is a prefigurement of the two witnesses in Revelation. I dont have the faith to claim that is from the Holy Spirit but of course it may be or it may not be.
I see no evidence to support what you say, about the effects of praying to a saint in waiting.
Christ be with you
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[edwinG]

Gene C.:

Hi Edwin,

Matthew 22:30:
"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”

You said:
“Yes I agree with this while we are on earth as sinners, but once we are in a resurrected state see around Matthew 22:30.
etc and in the resurrection are all like angels of God in heaven.
No sex. No marrying no children, no mothers, but yes a Father to all. I feel sure Mary will also be like an angel, not separate like a special woman. What do you think?”

The verse does not say what you are saying, Edwin. It just says there will be no marriage in the future Kingdom of God. My relationship with my wife will be different in the Kingdom. That’s all it says.

The Kingdom of God is and always will be a family. But you are right: it will not be like the families we know here on earth.

Edwin, if Jesus is your Savior, then He is your Brother. And through Him, God is your Father. And His mother is also your mother, your spiritual mother. Is that so hard to accept? So are you telling me that in the future Kingdom of God, Jesus will no longer be your Brother? Of course not. It’s such an easy leap to make.

There is a reason why this is not spelled out clearly for us in Scripture. A lot of things are not spelled out clearly for us in Scripture. But this has to do with the development of Christian doctrine and who has the right and authority to interpret Scripture. Would you like to start a separate discussion on the fallacy of Sola Scriptura? It’s an interesting subject. I’m sure we’ll both learn much from it.

Blessings to you,
Gene

Hi Gene C
Yes I would love to start a discussion on the fallacy of Sola Scriptura, but unfortunately I cant keep up with this one.LOL
Yes Jesus will be my brother and God my Father and Mary will be my sister, not my mother. I dont see Mary as being alive before God created the heavens and the earth, or before Adam and Eve… I dont see her as the source of the Almighty God, before Him and conceiving Him. Do you?
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walk in love
edwinG