Pray for Missouri! Pray for us all!

[maggieodae]

Did anyone catch it? I missed it.

BTW, maggieodae I am appalled that adults would trash your signs. I wish I were suprised.

Rosalinda & kctigherhawk, excellent posts!

I watched it…it was short but good.

I’m not terribly suprised it was adults. But they were not neighbors, so it’s an organized effort by someone.

At any rate: Just picture in your mind how suprised they were to see a little ole 5’2’ lady on a walker, pointing a spot light and firing off a cap pistol at them and their sticky honey covered hands and feet!

Trust me! It was worth the cold long wait!

 

[Rosalinda]

This article by Rebecca Taylor entitled, “Mary Meets Dolly” points to the heart of this debate.

*Roe vs. Wade *did not just deny legal protection to the unborn; it catapulted the United States toward the reality of human cloning. Gregory Pence, a pro-cloning bioethicist, could not be more correct when he writes, “To say that embryos are not persons and cannot be studied and killed in research is contradictory. Perhaps this shows once again that the cloning debate is really about abortion.”
The issue clearly hinges on the question of when human life begins…

lifeissues.net/writers/tayl/tayl_01abrstemcellscloning.html

Thank you kctigerhawk and astegallrnc for your generosity.

maggieodae, You mean you didn’t offer to wash off your visiting pooh bears with a garden hose? Too bad they prefer vandalizing your property rather then joining you for a cup of tea and cookies to exchange ideas.

Even if our interlocutors don’t agree with us, they are at least gracious enough to use this forum for an exchange of ideas.

 

[maggieodae]

This article by Rebecca Taylor entitled, “Mary Meets Dolly” points to the heart of this debate.

lifeissues.net/writers/tayl/tayl_01abrstemcellscloning.html

Thank you kctigerhawk and astegallrnc for your generosity.

maggieodae, You mean you didn’t offer to wash off your visiting pooh bears with a garden hose? Too bad they prefer vandalizing your property rather then joining you for a cup of tea and cookies to exchange ideas.

Even if our interlocutors don’t agree with us, they are at least gracious enough to use this forum for an exchange of ideas.

No, for some reason they declined. I did have the hose primed and ready to go, but a little ole lady, a walker, a spotlight and the cap gun seemed to be all they were interested in.

 

[astegallrnc]

No, for some reason they declined. I did have the hose primed and ready to go, but a little ole lady, a walker, a spotlight and the cap gun seemed to be all they were interested in.

LOL!!! You be careful!



Autumn

 

[m134e5]

[SIGN]Good Morning Vietnam!!!

~ Make that Missouri ~

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I had a wonderful Pro-Life battle victory last night at 9:20 PM. The sign raiders showed up! Imagine their suprise when they stuck to the signs they were intent on stealing and trashing! I just love honey! It sooooo gooey and sticks to everything…even a nice patch of leaves and feet and hands of miscreants! OH! And you should have seen their faces when the spot light hit them and my cap gun went off! Haven’t had that much fun in decades! Made my halloween special! :bounce:

 

[m134e5]

But will it be enough to defeat $28 million spin campaign?

No- only prayer can solve this problem.

I encourage as many who can go to go to adoration in the next week, and to get the prayer card written by the pastor of Our Lady of Good Council parish in Kansas City, with a prayer for the defeat of this amendment.

www.nocloning.org
(I think that’s the right link- if not, it’s .com)

 

[maggieodae]

No- only prayer can solve this problem.

I encourage as many who can go to go to adoration in the next week, and to get the prayer card written by the pastor of Our Lady of Good Council parish in Kansas City, with a prayer for the defeat of this amendment.

www.nocloning.org
(I think that’s the right link- if not, it’s .com)

 

[kctigerhawk]

I’m not terribly suprised it was adults. But they were not neighbors, so it’s an organized effort by someone.

Monday night one of the local news stations had someone on that had videoed a group of people ripping his signs out of his yard. 3 or 4 people in a midsize white car.

It was good publicity for the type of people that are supporting amendment 2. I just couldn’t help thinking that stealing someone’s signs would be the type of thing the Brown Shirts would have done.

Anyway, I wouldn’t expect that your battle is over. I hope you have more honey and backup signs just in case.

Also, daily reminder for everyone to pray for the defeat of amendment 2.

God Bless

 

[kctigerhawk]

No- only prayer can solve this problem.

I encourage as many who can go to go to adoration in the next week, and to get the prayer card written by the pastor of Our Lady of Good Council parish in Kansas City, with a prayer for the defeat of this amendment.

www.nocloning.org
(I think that’s the right link- if not, it’s .com)

It has been posted here a couple of times but you can’t have too many copies of a good prayer. At least I assume this is the one you are talking about.

"An Election Prayer To Mary For The Defeat Of Amendment 2

O Most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Mercy, at this most critical time, we entrust the State of Missouri to your loving care. The forces that surround us no longer acknowledge our Heavenly Father as the Creator of Life. Most Holy Mother, we beg you to look down with mercy upon us and touch the hearts of our people. Open our minds to the great sanctity of human life and to the responsibilities that accompany human freedom. Free us from the falsehoods that lead to the evils of human cloning and embryonic stem cell research. Grant us the wisdom to proclaim that God’s law is the foundation on which this nation was founded, and that He alone is the True Source of our cherished rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. O Merciful Mother, obtain for us the grace to reject the culture of death and the courage to build a new Culture of Life.

Trusting in your most powerful intercession, we pray…

Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help or sought thy intercession was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence, we fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, our Mother. To thee do we come, before thee we stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not our petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer us. Amen."

 

[kctigerhawk]

Bumping to the top.

Just a few days to election day.

Please, pray for us in Missouri.

 

[maggieodae]

Bumping to the top.

Just a few days to election day.

Please, pray for us in Missouri.

Bump! I’m with you! Pray, pray pray!

 

[kctigerhawk]

Our local Catholic radio station here in Kansas City 1090 AM is going to pre-empt regular programming on election day and is calling on everyone to pray and fast for the defeat of amendment 2.

Who is in

 

[maggieodae]

Our local Catholic radio station here in Kansas City 1090 AM is going to pre-empt regular programming on election day and is calling on everyone to pray and fast for the defeat of amendment 2.

Who is in

Count me in!

 

[JoyFull]

Here’s another tidbit to share with everyone you meet (and to get this bumped again):

         **Amendment 2 directly violates the Nuremberg Code**, which was created during the Nuremberg Trials after WWII....remember how the Nazis were experimenting on all those people?  Their defense rested on the fact that there were no laws governing their research, therefore they could do as they wanted.  The Code was written to counteract that, and has been adopted by *our very own federal government.*  It has been incorporated into the Code of Federal Regulations under the United States Department of Health and Human Services.

Have we forgotten so quickly? 60 years, and we’re on the cusp of killing just as many as the Nazis did, AND we’ll even pick up the tab.

I am still praying for all of us, and especially for the Stowers, to see the Truth…for Christ to touch our hearts.

 

[kctigerhawk]

Amendment 2 directly violates the Nuremberg Code

I was listening to a replay of a speech by Alan Keyes and he was making the point that this amendment is also un-American (my words not his). He quoted the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The first principle upon which the United States was founded is that we have a Creator from which our rights are endowed. By playing around with and killing human beings at the embryonic stage of their development, we trample on these rights and we violate our own Declaration of Independence.

I am still praying for all of us, and especially for the Stowers, to see the Truth…for Christ to touch our hearts.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The ultimate ostensible purpose of Amendment 2 is to create therapeutic uses of cells taken from living human embryos. As such, it permits, no, mandates the consumption of human beings by human beings. Make no mistake, intake of human flesh by needle is no different from doing it by mouth. From the very first, and virtually everywhere, humanity has recoiled from killing for the purpose of engaging in cannibalism. Amendment 2 makes cannibalism the law.

 

[maggieodae]

Here’s another tidbit to share with everyone you meet (and to get this bumped again):

         **Amendment 2 directly violates the Nuremberg Code**, which was created during the Nuremberg Trials after WWII....remember how the Nazis were experimenting on all those people?  Their defense rested on the fact that there were no laws governing their research, therefore they could do as they wanted.  The Code was written to counteract that, and has been adopted by *our very own federal government.*  It has been incorporated into the Code of Federal Regulations under the United States Department of Health and Human Services.

Have we forgotten so quickly? 60 years, and we’re on the cusp of killing just as many as the Nazis did, AND we’ll even pick up the tab.

I am still praying for all of us, and especially for the Stowers, to see the Truth…for Christ to touch our hearts.

Yes, we seem to have short memories. BUMP!

 

[3GirlsRUs]

big ol’ BUMP…

Pray…Pray…Pray…NO on Amendment 2 in MO!!

 

[3GirlsRUs]

This letter was made available to me this weekend. It is written by a Physician-Scientist at Washington University in St. Louis. Please continue to pray that we can get the word and the vote out to defeat Amendment 2 on Tuesday!!!

Dear Friends,

This is a letter that I find difficult to write because I am not a political person, and I don’t believe in imposing my views on others. But I am deeply troubled by the inaccuracies that are being used to shape public opinion in favor of the Missouri stem cell amendment on the November ballot and I feel a
responsibility to speak out since I understand the scientific and medical issues.

If you read nothing else, please read this: Amendment 2 is a deceptive piece
of legislation that may mislead Missourians into approving a constitutional
right to human cloning, something over 80 percent oppose. It would create a
uniquely privileged status for biotech special interests to do human cloning
experiments with taxpayer money.

If the industrial revolution were just now starting and we had the choice of
developing a society dependent on solar energy rather than oil, is there any
doubt that we would choose solar energy? I think that we face a similar choice today regarding embryonic stem cells versus adult stem cells.

Embryonic stem cells may seem to the lay person to offer greater promise for cures, but even if this were true (which it is not), embryonic stem cell therapies will create an insatiable and unceasing demand for more and
more women’s eggs. And once a hugh biotech industrial complex is established that is dependent on women’s eggs to generate more and more cloned stem cells, it will be impossible for us to get rid of it. In contrast, investing our resources in adult stem cells will ultimately result in similar or
greater cures than embryonic stem cells without creating a biotech industrial
complex that pursues women’s eggs the way oil companies plunder our land
for oil profits.

The basic arguments for the stem cell amendment are essentially that (1)
embryonic stem cell research has tremendous potential for curing a wide
variety of diseases, and (2) any concerns that this research will be abused
are unfounded because we can trust the medical and scientific community
to regulate itself.

Being knowledgeable of stem cell biology and related medical research, I am
deeply skeptical that either of these arguments is true.

As many of you know, I am a physician-scientist at Washington University
School of Medicine and have received millions of dollars in research funding, part of which has been for stem cell research related to cancer. I approached this amendment without preconceived opinions and have read the amendment carefully. I have listened to the arguments on both sides.
After sifting through the rhetoric, I have concluded that there is nothing
about embryonic stem cells that would indicate that they are better than adult stem cells for curing human disease. In fact, there are many problems
with embryonic stem cells, such as rejection and cancer formation. Further,
adult stem cell research and therapies do not endanger women who must donate eggs for embryonic stem cells.

These deceptive tactics by the amendment proponents say to me that “you
are not intelligent enough to understand the issues so I will intentionally
deceive you for your own good.”

As a medical professional, I believe that my responsibility is to make sure
the public understands the issues so that they can make up their own mind.
Thus, my goal in this letter is not to convince you of my personal opinions, but to make sure you have the facts from a doctor and scientist who understands the issues and does not have political or monetary motives.

Some of the most common arguments in favor of the amendment are as
follows:

Argument # 1: Somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT), which is the type of
process for creating stem cells that is at stake in this amendment, is not
human cloning.

MY RESPONSE: When scientists talk about cloning, SCNT is exactly what
they are talking about. SCNT is the medical dictionary definition of cloning.
The amendment proponents claim that SCNT is not cloning unless the cell is
placed into a woman’s womb, but that has never been the medical definition
of cloning. That is like saying that a nuclear bomb is not a weapon unless
it is dropped on people. The potential for harm and abuse is great, even if
one does not intend to act on this potential!

The fact is that this amendment not only allows human cloning, it creates
a uniquely protected right to perform human cloning!

Part 2 of letter in next post

 

[3GirlsRUs]

Letter continued:

Argument #2: Embryonic stem cell research has the potential for curing
many more diseases than adult stem cells.

MY RESPONSE: There is no scientific evidence for this claim. Many people
have been led to believe that we have not yet seen the incredible curative
potential of embryonic stem cells because this research is banned. The truth
is that embryonic stem cells is not banned and never has been. Embryonic stem cells have been researched for many years and have been reported in
the medical literature as early as 1963! And yet, there is no evidence that
embryonic stem cells have cured any disease, even in animals.

But what is really frustrating for someone like me who is involved in stem
cell research is that the success of adult stem cells is being ignored by the amendment proponents. Advantages of adult stem cells over embryonic stem
cells:
(1) they are the only stem cells that have been shown to cure disease
in animals,
(2) they do not require egg extraction and the associated risks
to women,
(3) they have amazing plasticity (the ability to change into many
different cell types) that far exceeds anyone’s expectations. For example,
stem cells from bone marrow can be turned into brain cells.

If adult stem cells are likely to be just as good, if not better, than embryonic stem cells, why expose women to risky egg extraction and create a huge demand for eggs that will surely end up in the exploitation of poor, disadvantaged women and young, college-aged women with limited financial
resources?

Argument #3: SCNT will not endanger women.

MY RESPONSE: To be honest, this is my greatest concern. Despite loud
cries to the contrary, the widespread use of SCNT for medical research and
treatment will unquestionably jeopardize the health of women, particularly
poor disadvantaged women and young, college-age women with limited
financial resources who will be tempted to allow themselves to be given synthetic hormones and undergo surgical procedures to extract eggs in exchange for monetary awards. We are not talking about a few hundred cloned embryos, but rather, millions and millions will be needed for this research!. And the need for more eggs will never end. Even if laws are passed to regulate this process, profiteers will undoubtedly go to third world countries to find willing subjects.

Argument #4. How could this amendment be a bad idea when leading
scientists and physicians support it?

MY RESPONSE: Many scientists and physicians, including myself, support
adult stem cell research, but are deeply concerned about embryonic stem cell research and human cloning. The reason that you do not hear more experts speak out against this amendment is that their voices have been muted.

The amendment proponents have identified one wealthy couple in Kansas City who donated virtually all of the $16 [now nearly $30] million that is
being used to saturate the media with pro-amendment information. Meanwhile, those who are concerned about this amendment have been denied the opportunity for public debate and discourse by our medical schools and universities. Suffice to say, the freedom of speech violations at ostensibly liberal universities to suppress voices against this amendment are breathtaking!

Part 3 below (sorry…didn’t have a link!!)