President Obama congratulates Rams draftee Sam

[BlueEyedLady]

His sexual behavior should have zero impact but a 7th round pick gets called by the president and a current player gets sent to re-education camp because he criticizes the pick?? Right…

It would be hilarious if Jones started criticizing other players based on being a 7th round pick. But I do love irony.

 

[Havard]

What was your beef Tebow off the field, Blue Eyed?

The thing that left a bad taste in my mouth about Sam was that within weeks of coming out, he was advertising “Stand with Sam” merchandise which was ready to ship.

 

[Mulligan2]

What does newsworthiness have to do with it?

Shouldn’t all the draftees be treated the same? I mean, isn’t that the point, becoming a society that judges people by their merits on the field?

Newsworthiness is why the story is reported.

Yes, his success as a football player will be based on his football performance.

However, in interacting with his teammates, family, etc. - he decided he doesn’t want to live an ‘edited’ version of his life. It was a courageous decision.

In a few years these types of things will no longer be newsworthy. But he’s the first, and that’s why it is.

 

[MarcoPolo]

How do you think your company would respond if you starting making negative, unsolicited, public statements about your new coworker’s family or romantic life?

Actually it was a competitor’s employee, not a coworker…but to your point, a company is not the moral authority, but if it attempted to sanction me for saying “horrible” to an image of two males defying the very order of their bodies, then it would just confirm how blindly insane the culture has become. Don’t even get me started on what the culture “allows” us to call horrible with no penalty…

 

[MarcoPolo]

It would be hilarious if Jones started criticizing other players based on being a 7th round pick. But I do love irony.

I’m sure if those players posted public photos that Jones found horrible, who’s to say he wouldn’t have? I’m afraid there’s no irony here to be seen because Jones’ tweet had nothing to do with Sam’s draft round.

 

[Path_Finder]

Kirk Cousins had the ideal answer on how he would deal with a gay teammate. The Redskins quarterback said he would try to lead him to Christ.

“But I think we need to show love to every single person on this Earth,” he said. “Jesus showed love to everybody, and whether it was Mary Magdalene, who was a prostitute had seven demons inside her, he showed love to her, and he didn’t have a problem with her.

“Jesus called on a tax collector, Matthew, to be one of his disciples, and while many Jewish people had a problem with Matthew, Jesus didn’t have a problem with Matthew. What Jesus wanted was for Matthew to grow.

“At the end of the day, anybody in our locker room who is struggling with something and isn’t perfect – which would be everybody in the locker room – my attitude would be that I want to show love to them in a way that shows them Jesus, and hope that they can encounter the same love that I encountered from Jesus that saved my life.”

washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/05/03/kirk-cousins-on-potential-gay-teammates/

 

[Havard]

Newsworthiness is why the story is reported.

I get that, I just haven’t seen that issue disputed. I’ve seen just about everything else about this story disputed though.

 

[MugenOne]

Obama has too much free time in the White House.

 

[Midwest88]

I think it’s being used as ‘shock therapy.’ The photo of him kissing his partner indeed shocked a whole lot of people who in a little while will become acclimated to such shows of affection.

At least you admit that’s about normalization and getting the public to accept it.

There are a lot of prejudices toward gay people, which is about to change.

Oh please. I like it how you back peddled when confronted about whether you choose the Church or not. The tone of your quote basically screams “Hooray! Let us dance in the streets! Accepted at last! Thank God Almight accepted at last!”

Why would I want to have my aversion to sinful behavior extinguished? Why would I want myself desensitized?

Too rid yourself of problematic emotions involving underlying irritability and resentment.

What? If there were no “problematic emotions” underlying “irritability and resentment” than that particular action that is considered sinful behavior would be more inclined to be accepted.

Sock, I’ve noticed your posts on topics like these – they don’t make much sense.

By your logic people who have “problematic emotions” with, say, abortion, or open marriages, casual sex or infidelity, stealing, torture porn, should have their aversion be extinguished - to rid the underlying irritability and resentment (if there is any actual resentment to begin with).

Simply, I suggest to you that you just stop. You’ve shown your cards and you have a horrible hand.

 

[Midwest88]

I’m surprised at the comments belittling President Obama for calling Michael Sam. I applaud him for doing so. And Michael Sam’s story is certainly newsworthy as the first openly gay player in the NFL. The NFL is a performance-based league, and his sexuality will have zero impact on whether he actually makes the team and has a career in the NFL. But it is newsworthy since he’s the first.

bold: Today’s world - get a sticker for “being the first” when “being first” really has nothing to do with being the best.

 

[estesbob]

Guess what punishment these NFL players received for these tweets:

In the moments after George Zimmerman’s acquittal, wide receivers Roddy White of the Atlanta Falcon and Victor Cruz of the New York Giants expressed hope that the jurors and Zimmerman, respectively, would die.

“All them jurors should go home tonight and kill themselves for letting a grown man get away with killing a kid,” White tweeted. ”Zimmerman doesn’t last a year before the hood catches up with him,” Cruz said in turn.

 

[Midwest88]

BlueEyedLady;11986065:

Tebow is not a good quarterback. And as a person, I think Tebow is as low as it gets.

You think Tebow is as low as a person can get? Wow. Just admit that you don’t like because he’s an “in your face” Christian. Just admit that you have animosity towards him because you think he’s arrogant and that you actually, quietly, thought to yourself “Good riddance,” when his NFL career did not come to fruition. And just admit that you secretly want Michael Sam to excel in the NFL because he’s gay and rub it in the faces of CAF posters saying “I told you so.”

And with that I probably got myself banned or suspended.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

What was your beef Tebow off the field, Blue Eyed?

The thing that left a bad taste in my mouth about Sam was that within weeks of coming out, he was advertising “Stand with Sam” merchandise which was ready to ship.

My problem with Tebow is that I think that in his eagerness to make a name for himself, he ended up exploiting his religion. I really do not like smug people. He was the Pharisee who prayed for attention and praise. I think doing that for fame is low.

I also hated the “quarterback or nothing; NFL or nothing” attitude. It was entitled and arrogant. That man is a gifted athlete, he may have excelled at another position or honed his skills in a minor league.

And since I’ve already been accused of a lot of things since I left my computer and had dinner with my family, I would like to point out that there are a lot of very open Christians in the NFL that I have respect for. Tom Brady is very classy. He spoke out during the height of the Tebow craze about how football and quarterbacks are not gods concern. He’s so private that he doesn’t allow the media to ask about his child. Aaron Rodgers, whose team I feel nothing but contempt for, is an extremely devout Christian who has been known to quote saints in his interviews. But he let’s his talent and his character speak for itself.

 

[Midwest88]

^

At least half of my accusation were true; they others never confirmed.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

^

At least half of my accusation were true; they others never confirmed.

Ah, excuse me. As for Mr. Sam, I want for him whatever is worst for the Rams.

No, really, as far as Sam goes, I want him to do well because I’m a HUGE Mizzou fan. I could care less about his sexuality.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

And I should have known anything I said would be used against me. No, I did not want Tebow in the NFL. I didn’t want him there not because he’s a Christian, but because he’s a bad combination of bad quarterback and obnoxious. There are many devout and proud Christians in the NFL that I respect, but they aren’t obnoxious.

I am unapologetic about not liking obnoxious people. And I dislike them regardless of their religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

 

[Havard]

My problem with Tebow is that I think that in his eagerness to make a name for himself, he ended up exploiting his religion. I really do not like smug people. He was the Pharisee who prayed for attention and praise. I think doing that for fame is low.

I also hated the “quarterback or nothing; NFL or nothing” attitude. It was entitled and arrogant. That man is a gifted athlete, he may have excelled at another position or honed his skills in a minor league.

And since I’ve already been accused of a lot of things since I left my computer and had dinner with my family, I would like to point out that there are a lot of very open Christians in the NFL that I have respect for. Tom Brady is very classy. He spoke out during the height of the Tebow craze about how football and quarterbacks are not gods concern. He’s so private that he doesn’t allow the media to ask about his child. Aaron Rodgers, whose team I feel nothing but contempt for, is an extremely devout Christian who has been known to quote saints in his interviews. But he let’s his talent and his character speak for itself.

First of all, I want to reiterate that I respect you and your honesty in general. And please ignore the ‘gotcha’ comments.

But it strikes me that Tebow’s smugness/obnoxiousness requires knowledge of his thoughts, no? I’m not privy to everything he’s ever said, but most of the comments I’ve heard or read about were either 1) praising God, which could be genuine, or 2), shrugging off criticisms. If he’s not genuine, is there some evidence of that?

 

[Dan999]

There definitely needs to be love and respect towards the man. The Catechism is clear hat unjust discrimination against homosexuals must be opposed. We don’t have to approve acting n same sex attractions to love and respect him.

Writing “Horrible” on Twitter certainly wasn’t smart. I wonder how long it took to remove it.

The best thing to do as Catholics and Christians is to congratulate him along with the others on making the cut and pray for him in private. We should also remove any resentment or hatred in our hearts. It is not suitable for anyone who follows Christ to hate anyone.

In the meantime, if asked on the subject, we lovingly and openly state our beliefs while affirming the dignity homosexuals posses as people made in the image of God.

I recommend going to the Courage website for more information. Courage is a group of Catholic men and women experiencing same-sex attraction and principally led by said men and women if I recall correctly. Together, they embark on a journey towards chastity. It does not practice orientation change, though some have found themselves becoming attracted to the opposite sex as they developed disinterested friendships with the same sex if I recall some testimonials correctly. Others do not, but live happily nonetheless. I’d also suggest to look towards joining EnCouage, it’s sister group consisting of straight Catholics, though I can’t remember if it only accepts friends and family of people with same-sex attraction.

Oh, Blue Eyes. Accept my apologies towards anyone here who offended you or treated you unfairly.

 

[Midwest88]

Apologies. You got to be kidding me. Do we apologize for everything here?

“I looked at you in a way that might cause you discomfort. I apologize.”
“I read between the lines of your post. I apologize.”
“I apologize for not thinking ‘participation awards’ should be handed out for adults.”

Laughable.

 

[Dan999]

Apologies. You got to be kidding me. Do we apologize for everything here?

“I looked at you in a way that might cause you discomfort. I apologize.”
“I read between the lines of your post. I apologize.”
“I apologize for not thinking ‘participation awards’ should be handed out for adults.”

Laughable.

Gentle as doves, wise as serpents, friend. St. Paul advised against needless provocations while we argue our faith’s positions.