President Obama congratulates Rams draftee Sam

[SMGS127]

But it strikes me that Tebow’s smugness/obnoxiousness requires knowledge of his thoughts, no? I’m not privy to everything he’s ever said, but most of the comments I’ve heard or read about were either 1) praising God, which could be genuine, or 2), shrugging off criticisms. If he’s not genuine, is there some evidence of that?

Several teams reportedly offered him jobs playing a position other than QB and he refused. Several other leagues (Canadian, for example) offered him jobs as a QB and he refused. He wanted to be an NFL QB or bust. Even Kurt Warner accepted jobs in other leagues while attempting to make his comeback, and he did it beautifully. I can’t be privy to Tebow’s thoughts, as you said, but his behavior struck me as someone who wanted everything handed to him on a silver platter to his liking. He wouldn’t accept compromises for jobs.

Many star QBs are devout Christians. Philip Rivers (Catholic!) and Robert Griffin III (Catholic) come to mind immediately. God is discussed all the time in football circles, and the first thing many draft picks did on the first night of the draft [if you watched it] was thank God the Father and/or Christ. Tebow was certainly not rushed out of the NFL because of his beliefs, though the rampant media attention probably did not help him.

Edit: I erroneously had Rivers listed as a Protestant; he is, in fact, a Catholic .

 

[4Squarebaby]

My problem with Tebow is that I think that in his eagerness to make a name for himself, he ended up exploiting his religion. I really do not like smug people. He was the Pharisee who prayed for attention and praise. I think doing that for fame is low.

I also hated the “quarterback or nothing; NFL or nothing” attitude. It was entitled and arrogant. That man is a gifted athlete, he may have excelled at another position or honed his skills in a minor league.

And since I’ve already been accused of a lot of things since I left my computer and had dinner with my family, I would like to point out that there are a lot of very open Christians in the NFL that I have respect for. Tom Brady is very classy. He spoke out during the height of the Tebow craze about how football and quarterbacks are not gods concern. He’s so private that he doesn’t allow the media to ask about his child. Aaron Rodgers, whose team I feel nothing but contempt for, is an extremely devout Christian who has been known to quote saints in his interviews. But he let’s his talent and his character speak for itself.

I grew up just after the time we started paying our athletic entertainers so much that they didn’t have to work during the off season to support their families and could train year round. And watching NFL Films two broadcast on Saturdays lead me to think that the most noble job in the world was being a NFL running back.

Today I have a cousin who was an average pro, three years and out with the Dolphins and Vikings and he has lifetime earnings have outpaced the entire family save his uncle who is a coach in big time college football. Just saying there are things other than football for those who have other goals they can retire early like Jim Brown did after 9 years or after the average career like Tebow did generations later. As he has more than enough earnings, not to mention endorsements which my cousin didn’t have It just seems that for his life goals being an Heisman Trophy winner and NFL quarterback is all the resume he needs. There is no push to keep playing. Being a NFL player, quarterback or offensive guard is not the most noble profession on earth

 

[Robert_Sock]

What? If there were no “problematic emotions” underlying “irritability and resentment” than that particular action that is considered sinful behavior would be more inclined to be accepted.

Sock, I’ve noticed your posts on topics like these – they don’t make much sense.

By your logic people who have “problematic emotions” with, say, abortion, or open marriages, casual sex or infidelity, stealing, torture porn, should have their aversion be extinguished - to rid the underlying irritability and resentment (if there is any actual resentment to begin with).

Simply, I suggest to you that you just stop. You’ve shown your cards and you have a horrible hand.

Thank you for your kind words regarding my posts?

Why get irritated in seeing a gay couple kiss? Can you be a good Catholic without these negative emotions? Does it mean you condone these practices if you do not get irritated? Can you effectively do the work of God feeling irritated all the time?

It’s our duty as Catholics to hold gays in high esteem!

LOVE!

 

[Havard]

Thank you for your kind words regarding my posts?

Best to ignore that. As the mods say “discuss the issue, not each other”.

Why get irritated in seeing a gay couple kiss?

Why shouldn’t our heart break every time a sin is committed? We love God and we love each other.

Can you be a good Catholic without these negative emotions?

I really don’t think so. If you have the capacity to feel for other people (i.e., you’re not sociopathic), then you must. Everybody is our brother, there isn’t one person we can just write off.

Does it mean you condone these practices if you do not get irritated?

No. Sometimes we develop a coarseness without intending to, but that is something to keep in check.

Can you effectively do the work of God feeling irritated all the time?

I’m not a very holy person, but my understanding is that saints and holy people like Mother Theresa felt both tremendous heartbreak and empathy, and yet was also constantly overwhelmed with tremendous joy. So it’s not so much about “feeling irritated all the time”, but rather feeling more of everything by being closer to the Truth.

It’s our duty as Catholics to hold gays in high esteem!

I’m not quite sure what you mean here. I usually reserve that expression for individual people who show great character, and IMO, not an entire demographic. I do agree that we should love gay people though.

LOVE!

Right back at ya.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Best to ignore that. As the mods say “discuss the issue, not each other”.

Why shouldn’t our heart break every time a sin is committed? We love God and we love each other.

I really don’t think so. If you have the capacity to feel for other people (i.e., you’re not sociopathic), then you must. Everybody is our brother, there isn’t one person we can just write off.

No. Sometimes we develop a coarseness without intending to, but that is something to keep in check.

I’m not a very holy person, but my understanding is that saints and holy people like Mother Theresa felt both tremendous heartbreak and empathy, and yet was also constantly overwhelmed with tremendous joy. So it’s not so much about “feeling irritated all the time”, but rather feeling more of everything by being closer to the Truth.

I’m not quite sure what you mean here. I usually reserve that expression for individual people who show great character, and IMO, not an entire demographic. I do agree that we should love gay people though.

Right back at ya.

Great post Havard.

I have a lot to work on, especially developing empathy and love for people. My most difficult people to love are the proud and the arrogant. It’s a journey.

 

[Havard]

Great post Havard.

Merci, madame.

 

[Mulligan2]

Best to ignore that. As the mods say “discuss the issue, not each other”.

Why shouldn’t our heart break every time a sin is committed? We love God and we love each other.

I really don’t think so. If you have the capacity to feel for other people (i.e., you’re not sociopathic), then you must. Everybody is our brother, there isn’t one person we can just write off.

No. Sometimes we develop a coarseness without intending to, but that is something to keep in check.

I’m not a very holy person, but my understanding is that saints and holy people like Mother Theresa felt both tremendous heartbreak and empathy, and yet was also constantly overwhelmed with tremendous joy. So it’s not so much about “feeling irritated all the time”, but rather feeling more of everything by being closer to the Truth.

I’m not quite sure what you mean here. I usually reserve that expression for individual people who show great character, and IMO, not an entire demographic. I do agree that we should love gay people though.

Right back at ya.

I don’t want to put words in your mouth, so please correct me if my perception is wrong. If I am reading correctly, you are saying that one cannot be a good Catholic if we think well of someone like Michael Sam. Instead, we should be offended because he is a sinner.

However, when I saw Sam’s reaction of unbridled joy when he was selected by the Rams - my natural inclination was to be happy for him. Perhaps other people can do so, but I cannot fake an emotion or response that is not there. When Sam kissed his boyfriend, my natural inclination was to think of ‘love’, not to think of ‘disorder’.

 

[Havard]

I don’t want to put words in your mouth, so please correct me if my perception is wrong. If I am reading correctly, you are saying that one cannot be a good Catholic if we think well of someone like Michael Sam. Instead, we should be offended because he is a sinner.

Yeah, that is a lot read between the lines that I most certainly did not mean to convey. Well, I’m glad you asked.

As I said, “We love God and we love each other.” I love Michael Sam. I hope we all do. But any time that any one of us sins, we’re falling, so if we have any love for God and/or each other, our hearts should feel that loss.

However, when I saw Sam’s reaction of unbridled joy when he was selected by the Rams - my natural inclination was to be happy for him. Perhaps other people can do so, but I cannot fake an emotion or response that is not there. When Sam kissed his boyfriend, my natural inclination was to think of ‘love’, not to think of ‘disorder’.

Are you saying that sins against chastity might be okay? I don’t understand. I don’t think it matters what our instincts might tell us - that is a dangerous basis for what is right or wrong. Either God wants us to be chaste, or he doesn’t. I think He’s been clear on that.

If people aren’t being chaste, then we need to do what we can to promote a change. Not by tweeting “OMG” or “Horrible”, but by introducing them to Jesus.

 

[RACJ]

I don’t want to put words in your mouth, so please correct me if my perception is wrong. If I am reading correctly, you are saying that one cannot be a good Catholic if we think well of someone like Michael Sam. Instead, we should be offended because he is a sinner.

However, when I saw Sam’s reaction of unbridled joy when he was selected by the Rams - my natural inclination was to be happy for him. Perhaps other people can do so, but I cannot fake an emotion or response that is not there. When Sam kissed his boyfriend, my natural inclination was to think of ‘love’, not to think of ‘disorder’.

Without even thinking, my first reaction as a hetero is aversion. We can only imagine how unpleasant such an action would be if another guy did this to us. I could never witness homosexual PDA’s enough times to feel comfortable with it. It’s a big YUCK!

 

[Peebo]

Without even thinking, my first reaction as a hetero is aversion. We can only imagine how unpleasant such an action would be if another guy did this to us. I could never witness homosexual PDA’s enough times to feel comfortable with it. It’s a big YUCK!

Have to agree…I’m sorry if I offend anyone…it was just plain gross seeing two men kissing and hugging

 

[andrewstx]

What was your beef Tebow off the field, Blue Eyed?

The thing that left a bad taste in my mouth about Sam was that within weeks of coming out, he was advertising “Stand with Sam” merchandise which was ready to ship.

You are aware that Mr Tebow is not just non-Catholic but that his dad is in the Phillipines busy converting all the “non-Christian Catholics” to the Baptist ecclesial group?

I am not a Tebow fan by a long shot.

 

[Havard]

You are aware that Mr Tebow is not just non-Catholic but that his dad is in the Phillipines busy converting all the “non-Christian Catholics” to the Baptist ecclesial group?

I am not a Tebow fan by a long shot.

Thank you for this, I was aware of his dad’s missions.

I was particularly curious about BEL’s comments about him being smug and obnoxious. But thank you for your response.

 

[JonNC]

Guess what punishment these NFL players received for these tweets:

In the moments after George Zimmerman’s acquittal, wide receivers Roddy White of the Atlanta Falcon and Victor Cruz of the New York Giants expressed hope that the jurors and Zimmerman, respectively, would die.

“All them jurors should go home tonight and kill themselves for letting a grown man get away with killing a kid,” White tweeted. ”Zimmerman doesn’t last a year before the hood catches up with him,” Cruz said in turn.

The double standard is striking. OTOH, if these guys were NBA owners,…
…nothing would be said.

Jon

 

[Ridgerunner]

How bizarre-a seventh round pick gets a call from the President??? And this man was elected twice? Would he have been as concerned about Ambassador Stephens as he is about the sexual behavior of a 7th round pick.

More to the point it is another example about how the culture of death and immorality has permeated our culture.

It is believed by many that Amb Stevens was homosexual and that the Arab world knew it, or at least thought it. And so Obama and Hillary Clinton posted him to a thinly-protected post in a part of a Muslim country dominated by Islamic radicals.

What could they have possibly been thinking? Why did they subject him to that?

It really makes one wonder, as with having a “gay pride” celebration in Islamabad which resulted in rioting and flag burning. Do these people really think they’re going to impose the idea of homosexuality-as-normal on the whole world if they just endorse it enough?

Maybe they do.

 

[Royal_Christian]

Gay people should have the right to marry each other because in this nation marriage is nothing but a contract it has nothing to very little to do with religion in this nation it has more to do with benefits and the rest of the things civil unions don’t provide.

 

[Havard]

Gay people should have the right to marry each other because in this nation marriage is nothing but a contract it has nothing to very little to do with religion in this nation it has more to do with benefits and the rest of the things civil unions don’t provide.

As long as you’re okay with siblings, etc., marrying… if it’s “just a contract”.

 

[Royal_Christian]

As long as you’re okay with siblings, etc., marrying… if it’s “just a contract”.

I’m only ok with Gay Marriage and Plural Marriage as long as everyone involved is of age and isn’t forced into it. Mormons need Plural Marriage in order to reach the celestial kingdom aka the highest level of Heaven.

 

[Havard]

I’m only ok with Gay Marriage and Plural Marriage as long as everyone involved is of age and isn’t forced into it. Mormons need Plural Marriage in order to reach the celestial kingdom aka the highest level of Heaven.

Why not sibling marriage? If it’s just a contract, what’s the big deal?

 

[Royal_Christian]

Why not sibling marriage? If it’s just a contract, what’s the big deal?

Science tells us why incest is bad for the human race.

 

[Havard]

Science tells us why incest is bad for the human race.

Who said anything about sex? You said marriage was just a contract.

Now you have to have sex?