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Went to a summer reading program with my two daughters, 15 and 20 and they noticed a teen wearing very short shorts. They said to me “doesn’t that girl realize that she is just “eye candy” for some 42 year old, old guy? Gross” I asked don’t you think she wants to attract guys her own age? They said look around who is noticing her. “Old guys” (Not including us) Made me think maybe the young guys have been desensitized while the “old guys” haven’t.
 
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KathieAnn:
“is there any guy who’s just really attracted to his wife, even if she has given her whole life to bear many children??”
Yes we’re here. Yesterday while at a coffee shop, waiting for my wife, of over 30 years, a young woman entered wearing clothing that would have made a prostitute blush. She was not attractive, she was a slut. Yes, i’m “gaga” for my wife! I didn’t lust for this young woman, i prayed for her.
 
We are all attracted to beauty and when it comes to people that beauty is at least partially attached to sexual responsiveness, if that were not the case then there would never be procreation. It was designed by God this way.

In a purely physical sense, some people are objecitvely more beautiful/handsome than others, generally speaking the more “ugly” physically speaking we are the less options we will have in finding a mate, in other words we all initially judge a book by its cover.

If we do get to know someone then whatever people lack in their outright physical beauty can be made up for in their inner beauty, thus changing the disposition of the suitor.

It is not a sin to experience lustful feelings, the sin is when we either deliberatley engage those lustful feelings or we let those feelings overcome us and control us, hence the point is to divert ourselves from lustful feelings as soon as possible after they are experienced.

It is not about love or sexual attraction to our wife etc that is the problem, most men I assume would still love and lust after their wife.

Because the perception of beauty is attached to our sexual responsiveness then we must accept that us and our spouses will find others attractive and hence, lust after them to some degree.

The whole issue is about how to decrease and prevent as much as possible the occurence of these feelings.

Thus we should engage in prayer and put in place some methods for helping ourselves to overcome these issues.

In Christ
 
To Tom:

Thank you so much! I love to hear men say that kind of thing about their wife. I don’t know why - whether my husband feels that way about me or not (I’m afraid to ask!) - but hearing men talk about their “beautiful” wives who happen to be over 40 or 50 or even 60 is so touching to me, given the myriad of viewing options out there.

Husbands, whatever the reasons you look or don’t or whatever, what is really a turn-on to a woman is a man who is in love with her and not afraid to say so. Maybe that’s why women don’t struggle so much - it’s rare to come by that “true turn-on.” Make sure you tell your wife tonite how beautiful she is! Make her day. Every woman wants to feel attractive to her spouse.
 
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KathieAnn:
To Tom:

Thank you so much! I love to hear men say that kind of thing about their wife. I don’t know why - whether my husband feels that way about me or not (I’m afraid to ask!) - but hearing men talk about their “beautiful” wives who happen to be over 40 or 50 or even 60 is so touching to me, given the myriad of viewing options out there.

Husbands, whatever the reasons you look or don’t or whatever, what is really a turn-on to a woman is a man who is in love with her and not afraid to say so. Maybe that’s why women don’t struggle so much - it’s rare to come by that “true turn-on.” Make sure you tell your wife tonite how beautiful she is! Make her day. Every woman wants to feel attractive to her spouse.
Absolutely! I also think one of the most appealing things is for a man to talk openly about his spirituality. Man, when I hear Jim Caviezel talk about praying the Rosary or Mary, I find that very appealing. Maybe I’m just a Catholic nerd!

Seriously though, if you guys only knew that it only takes a small bit of effort, perhaps paying attention to the little things and giving a compliment here and there, to keep those fires burning…

OK, not saying that all men don’t know, but in general it seems like there is some confusion about what women really want.

Hey wasn’t that a movie?? 😃

Blessings,
Nicole
 
Don’t kid yourself into thinking women aren’t addicted to porn. They just aren’t as visually stimulated as men. Women’s porn comes in the form of Cosmopolitan magazines, and romance novels. The sexual encounters on those pages are just as cheap and shallow as anything on Playboy - they just aren’t visual.
That addiction is so much easier to hide. If a woman finds porn she knows what her husband has been up to. If a man finds a romance novel what will the typical clueless husband think? He won’t think that his wife is fantasizing about men who have characteristics he could not possibly live up to. Its can lead to lustful thought and can be very determintal to a marriage and what makes it especially bad is the husband will have no idea why.

I have nothing against a well written romance but this stuff is trash…and its well named. Its time this kind of thing was brought into the light.

dream wanderer
 
dream wanderer:
That addiction is so much easier to hide. If a woman finds porn she knows what her husband has been up to. If a man finds a romance novel what will the typical clueless husband think? He won’t think that his wife is fantasizing about men who have characteristics he could not possibly live up to. Its can lead to lustful thought and can be very determintal to a marriage and what makes it especially bad is the husband will have no idea why.

I have nothing against a well written romance but this stuff is trash…and its well named. Its time this kind of thing was brought into the light.

dream wanderer
I would agree that some ‘romance’ novels are written as sexually explicity, which is wrong. However, the seriousness of porn is even greater, since it involves the ‘use’ of real human beings being used as objects (whether they are willing subjects or not is beside the point). The more these sort of publications are purchased, the more this ‘abuse’ is continued and worsened. It hurts everyone involved. It’s a sin. It damages marriage, which was instituted by Christ, and it’s *very bad * for the soul.

Things sinful done in private are no worse or better than things sinful that are done openly. God knows everything.

Mel Gibson was in a movie entitled, “What Women Want”. Well, most women just want to be loved for who they really are. That’s the bottom line. Perhaps society, television, etc. have twisted people’s perceptions a bit, and immorality runs rampid, but if you take away all of the garbage and sin, the truth is that women want to be truly loved. It’s that simple. I appreciate the uplifting comments from men who are faithful to their vows, and who love their wives enough to look the other way. It should be expected, and not a surprise!
 
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Nicole:
Absolutely! I also think one of the most appealing things is for a man to talk openly about his spirituality. Man, when I hear Jim Caviezel talk about praying the Rosary or Mary, I find that very appealing. Maybe I’m just a Catholic nerd!

Seriously though, if you guys only knew that it only takes a small bit of effort, perhaps paying attention to the little things and giving a compliment here and there, to keep those fires burning…

OK, not saying that all men don’t know, but in general it seems like there is some confusion about what women really want.

Hey wasn’t that a movie?? 😃

Blessings,
Nicole
I agree. There’s a great Catholic man! Jim Cavaziel. Not only is he quite good looking, and a good actor, but he’s a very good soul. What a catch his wife made when she found him! He’s a gem! I admire him for his faith. It’s quite impressive, especially in light of the fact that he is an actor and deals with Hollywood people all the time (where lack of faith and anything-goes is the standard). He’s a good example for other Christian men!
 
Mel Gibson was in a movie entitled, “What Women Want”. Well, most women just want to be loved for who they really are.
I want to believe that. I really do. But I know too many women who can divorce sex from intimacy without thinking about it. I’m a guy, and we’re stereotypically known for being able to do that. But some of these girls. I don’t know…they just seem empty.
 
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montanaman:
I want to believe that. I really do. But I know too many women who can divorce sex from intimacy without thinking about it. I’m a guy, and we’re stereotypically known for being able to do that. But some of these girls. I don’t know…they just seem empty.
I would agree that the problem is more prevalent with men, however, regardless, it’s a pretty cynical point of view. Yes, there are sinners of both sexes. However, I believe that most people, deep down, really want to be loved. They may be damaged goods or steeped too far into sin for it to be evident on the surface, but I believe that all people desire love (not sex). And the greatest love, of course, is God’s. Sex, by itself, does not equate with love. Sex, within the union of marriage is beautiful. Through a close spiritual relationship with Christ, the couple can cultivate that love and it will grow through time, developing into something that goes beyond just mere physical attraction. Of course, people can and do reject Christ and marriages do not always end happily. It’s not God’s failure but one or the other person. They commit adultery, they divorce, etc. But when they look to sex outside marital union, outside of God’s covenant, they are making a grave error. It’s not our ability to love, but God’s. We only know love, through God. If the act of sex is done without God, it’s not only sinful, but doesn’t bring happiness, but despair. God’s love is where true happiness is found.

Instead of ‘accepting how the secular society is’, we, as Catholics should stand up for the Sacrament of Marriage. We should remove ourselves from lustful or sinful situations (oggling a pretty girl in grocery store, in porn magazines, sleezy romance novels, etc. etc.). We, male or female, should stand up for chastity, for modesty, for real love! We should be examples to others!! We should be faithful Catholic Christians who follow Christ’s example, into the grocery store and everywhere else, until, ultimately, we meet with Him in heaven!!!

Glory to Jesus Christ!!!
 
I’d like to get a opinion or two on a thought that keeps coming to mind as I read this thread.

Is the admiration of a person in a revealing outfit, either of skimpy size, or form fitting, always to be perceived as sinful?

Allow me to illustrate an example: It is now summertime and in the city I work, there are bike paths that many people go running and sunbathing. The other day a woman with a very fit and attractive physique was running by. I found myself first admiring her shape, her apparent level of fitness and her God-given beauty. I easily could have begun taking the thought process to one of a sexual nature but, I really didn’t care to (or I should say the temptation was not too difficult to overcome).

I suppose I am wondering if a adoring look is always a form of lust? Seems a shame to feel guilt for admiring a well proportioned tone fit body.

Any thoughts?
 
Miljoy,

No it entirely depends on what is going on in your head.

As I was driving back from work today I caught myself looking at a woman, or actually I caught myself looking away from a woman.

It appears that I’ve conditioned myself to turn away my glance at all women - for whatever reason. Sometime women just have a funny style that grabs your attention - spiked hair or whatever - something out of the ordinary.

My eyes catch it, and my mind wants to investigate out of curiosity - nothing sexual about it at all - just “was that a girl I saw with spiked hair?”

As it turns out, it appears that my “looking the other way” has become reflexive. That could also be part of the childhood ingraining that “it’s not polite to stare” too.
 
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Mijoy2:
I’d like to get a opinion or two on a thought that keeps coming to mind as I read this thread.

Is the admiration of a person in a revealing outfit, either of skimpy size, or form fitting, always to be perceived as sinful?

Allow me to illustrate an example: It is now summertime and in the city I work, there are bike paths that many people go running and sunbathing. The other day a woman with a very fit and attractive physique was running by. I found myself first admiring her shape, her apparent level of fitness and her God-given beauty. I easily could have begun taking the thought process to one of a sexual nature but, I really didn’t care to (or I should say the temptation was not too difficult to overcome).

I suppose I am wondering if a adoring look is always a form of lust? Seems a shame to feel guilt for admiring a well proportioned tone fit body.

Any thoughts?
I think there is a clear distinction to be drawn between lust and simply admiring God’s beautiful creation. I thank God every day that he made women so beautiful and appealing!

On the other hand, constantly looking at the other sex and allowing one’s mind to wander beyond admiration is sure to lead to lust - and at the very least could be **gluttunous ** if excessive.

But I’m no theologian - just my thoughts on the matter.
 
:crying: Sorry…small breakdown. I can’t believe I read through this whole topic! My mascara is running down my face from the force of my pent up feeling on this topic:Men & Lust.Don’t get me wrong, I love men. Or at least the idea of men. I love my husband, my father, my brothers(the jerks) and most of all Jesus. Oh, St. Joseph too. And my parish priests who seem very holy and unaffected by lust. One is 80.

Other men: I distrust and suspect them of sinfulness that makes me physically ill.
As a formerly quite physically beautiful woman, I have been damaged by my own sinful behavior in engaging men’s attention…all in the pursuit of finding Mr. Right. So after 3 kids and an invalid marriage to an atheist alcoholic later-I am finally in a stable holy marriage. Here’s the problem:
Now, I am damaged emotionally. I have been hurt so many times by men who paid me “attention” amongst other things of a sinful nature, that I do not trust men…despite my “willing” cooperation at the time. Call it the pot and kettle thing.
My husband is very attractive to me. I have absolutely NO lusting problems about other men…I do not read “romance” novels or those disgusting mags that scream things like"SPICE UP YOUR MARRIAGE-HAVE AN AFFAIR". I do not imagine other men while I make love to my husband. I just have no problem avoiding sexual temptation…it doesn’t occur to me to look at others in this way.
(Maybe daily Mass is the reason for this)
With that said, I am terrified that my husband would fantasize about other women…or look at another girl and think “Yowza”(Wasn’t that it?). He doesn’t dare look when I’m around.
I tremble in fear to have my suspicions founded that men think sexual thoughts about 15 yr old girls!!! Do men lust after their own 15 yr old daughters too? Please tell me that isn’t the case!! How could you?

Why aren’t men’s wives enough for them? I love my husband so much and I am wildly attracted to him and him alone.
Why can’t this feeling be returned? I truly fear it can’t because men are too weak for it…Nonetheless, despite my severe case of low self-worth in the physical arena, I feel justified in chastising every single one of you men who look at women lustfully. Imagining a teen naked or any one naked that you aren’t married to is so hurtful to the wives if they knew…and even if they only suspect you fantasize etc. Ask God to heal you. You won’t make it to Heaven doing stuff like this.
Men, please stop being so selfish and animal-like. God didn’t make you this way! I challenge that scenerio! God made you to love and desire your spouse and that is it. Even “appreciating” another’s wife or daughter stretches it for me.
If you feel like I am being unfair and taking out my frustrations upon the men on this board…
you would be right.There. All better now.
Love in Jesus,
Shelby Grace
 
I do not want to get into an argument with you seeing the emotional situation, but do you think that youg women could help by not dressing provocatively. Men respond to visual stimuli and sorry to say it women that dress in this fashion so so with this in mind…
 
Women just want to be loved? That is supposed to be a revelation? I thought EVERYONE just wanted to be loved for what they are…I didn’t know it was just a ‘girl’ thing.

If a married man notices a pretty woman it doesn’t mean his wife isn’t pretty enough or good enough. Believe it or not it might well have nothing to do with the wife at all. Men who look at porn could have model perfect pretty wives and they would still look at the porn. Its rarely a comparision thing.

That really isn’t a comfort to the wife though… The idea that the man you love can do something with no thought to you can still hurt.

So men are going to look and women are going to be hurt even if its all completely innocent. Its a a vicious circle.
 
I think the most difficult part of this is separating the pagan standard of sex and attractiveness, etc. from the Christian standard.

Of course men have the ability to control themselves. Otherwise there would be no point to marriage, or even rape laws for that matter. It is society that tells us that we have no control. That’s why we need condoms for teenagers, artificial birth control, abortion, etc.
But our society pushes sexual imagery and its hedonism everywhere we turn, from advertising to TV to movies to fashions. So we men, at least, need daily help. Others have suggested the rosary. I agree totally. Our Lady wants us to be Holy. And it helps too, to understand that all of these women, young or old, are our sisters before God.

As Christians we know that God loves us. Why? Because we are so loveable? I don’t think so. God loves us for our own sake. That is why He went to such extraordinary lengths to reclaim us when we didn’t deserve it. And what does He want from us? To love Him for His own sake.
As we learn to love Him for His own sake, our understanding of love grows and our love for our spouse grows deeper and richer and fuller as we learn to love them for their own sake and receive love from them as they love us for our own sake. So it doesn’t matter if she gets thicker around the waste and has some wrinkles, and it doesn’t matter if he’s growing a belly and losing his hair. Other than God there is nobody who can love us as that person does, despite knowing us so well.

The world keeps telling us that we must keep our youth and so they sell breast implants and plastic surgery and viagra. Why? Because the world’s notion of love is just the shallow, narrow sexual part of love, and if it ain’t perfect, move on to someone else. The world inundates us with how to have sex, how often and if the standard isn’t met, we need a therapist or medicine or a new partner.

Yet, thank God there are still young men and women who are able to see past the barrage of pagan hedonism and understand the secondary place that sex has in the big picture. How many times have you seen a handsome young priest and thought he could have any young woman he wanted? Or how many times have you seen a pretty young nun and thought she would have no problem finding a man? What causes those thoughts? Probably the orientation we are taught from pagan society.

One of the most beautiful women I have ever known had gray thinning hair, was overweight, stooped with arthritis, bow-legged from carrying heavy pails of milk in her youth on the farm. But she was my grandmother and she loved me unconditionally as her grandson. We are all going to get old, but it is our love that makes us beautiful.
 
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bengal_fan:
i know this isn’t the subject of this thread and i’m not trying to start an argument, but…

i thought it was known that joseph had other children with another wife so he couldn’t have been chaste. he might not have ever been with mary, but he definitely had other children (see the ossuary of “james, son of joseph, brother of jesus”). the church’s stance on this is that james was the son of joseph and one of his other wives and that joseph, while married to mary, really was just taking her into his home to care for her. i just wanted to point that out, that he wasn’t chaste. also, Job 31:1 is a great verse to memorize and recite whenever placed in this “tube top” situation. it says, “I have made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a woman.”
The word chaste does not mean celibate, so even if Joseph had been married and had had children before marrying Mary, if he was faithful to his then wife he was chaste within his state in life–that of a married man. Just for the sake of clarity. 🙂
 
I think the most difficult part of this is separating the pagan standard of sex and attractiveness, etc. from the Christian standard.

Of course men have the ability to control themselves. Otherwise there would be no point to marriage, or even rape laws for that matter. It is society that tells us that we have no control. That’s why we need condoms for teenagers, artificial birth control, abortion, etc.
But our society pushes sexual imagery and its hedonism everywhere we turn, from advertising to TV to movies to fashions. So we men, at least, need daily help. Others have suggested the rosary. I agree totally. Our Lady wants us to be Holy. And it helps too, to understand that all of these women, young or old, are our sisters before God.

As Christians we know that God loves us. Why? Because we are so loveable? I don’t think so. God loves us for our own sake. That is why He went to such extraordinary lengths to reclaim us when we didn’t deserve it. And what does He want from us? To love Him for His own sake.
As we learn to love Him for His own sake, our understanding of love grows and our love for our spouse grows deeper and richer and fuller as we learn to love them for their own sake and receive love from them as they love us for our own sake. So it doesn’t matter if she gets thicker around the waste and has some wrinkles, and it doesn’t matter if he’s growing a belly and losing his hair. Other than God there is nobody who can love us as that person does, despite knowing us so well.

The world keeps telling us that we must keep our youth and so they sell breast implants and plastic surgery and viagra. Why? Because the world’s notion of love is just the shallow, narrow sexual part of love, and if it ain’t perfect, move on to someone else. The world inundates us with how to have sex, how often and if the standard isn’t met, we need a therapist or medicine or a new partner.

Yet, thank God there are still young men and women who are able to see past the barrage of pagan hedonism and understand the secondary place that sex has in the big picture. How many times have you seen a handsome young priest and thought he could have any young woman he wanted? Or how many times have you seen a pretty young nun and thought she would have no problem finding a man? What causes those thoughts? Probably the orientation we are taught from pagan society.

One of the most beautiful women I have ever known had gray thinning hair, was overweight, stooped with arthritis, bow-legged from carrying heavy pails of milk in her youth on the farm. But she was my grandmother and she loved me unconditionally as her grandson. We are all going to get old, but it is our love that makes us beautiful.
 
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