Rioting aftermath in Kenosha

[AlNg]

What sort of entitlement makes people of any creed think it is ok to destroy others livelihoods and property.

Perhaps the reasoning is something like this:
A man has been shot by one or two police officers. So that makes it OK to go around and beat up a 70 year old man trying to protect his business from looters. It is OK to steal, loot, ransack his property, and put him in the hospital with a broken jaw because of what a police officer did in a different part of town. It is also OK to set a car business on fire, destroy his property and office, demolish his livelihood, burn down other businesses. The iron fist of rioting, looting, stealing, ransacking and burning down property, and beating up an old man is justified because otherwise change and justice will not come to America? And you should not try to protect your property or livelihood because there will be severe consequences if you fight back as the mob of protestors attack you.

 

[Polak]

Yep absolutely they do, but as we can see, people like @LeafByNiggle have been convinced it’s just black children, because those are the only cases the media brings up.

Kyle is under arrest right now, charged with intentional homicide. It seems the justice system does not agree with you yet.

Either that or the justice system feels pressured to do something

What?? You’re the one accusing Kenosha police of arresting too few people, not me. I wasn’t a witness, so I’m not making such absurd speculations.

You have to admit, given the amount of rioting there has been, six people isn’t many people to arrest. If you told me only a few people had been arrested in Minneapolis I would have been shocked too.

I’m simply following your rationale to its natural conclusion. “I feared for my life. He could’ve been reaching for a gun.”

No you’re not. There is a difference between a cop asking you for your license and registration and a cop telling you to stop and put your hands up, and you continuing on and reaching into you car.

 

[umamibella]

That may be true, but if there were no incidents of police brutality, the professional agitators would be rendered impotent. No one would be inclined to listen to them.

There are people who listen to any old thing and want any excuse to run riot.

 

[KMC]

Fiery…but mostly peaceful. Riiiiiiiiiight.

CNN panned for on-air graphic reading 'fiery but mostly peaceful protest' in front of Kenosha fire

CNN was widely mocked late Wednesday after an on-air graphic that was broadcasted the day prior went viral.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Regular_Atheist]

And yet these riots only happen after incidents of police brutality.

 

[JonNC]

Us Americans? We’ve seen from Kenosha that “Us Americans” have different sets of rights depending on the color of their skin

Not true. Laws in America are very clearly designed to avoid and prevent discrimination.

One unarmed black man ends up shot in the back 7 times by police,

You don’t know he was unarmed. You also don’t know if his being black was a factor. But if he was, it happened in a progressive Democrat run city again.

ignored as he walks down the street after shooting three people.

Arrested. And charged with murder.

So, yeah, I mean black basketball players, though I’m sure many white basketball players understand and support their teammates.

Again, no one knows if it was about Blake’s race. We still don’t know if it was about race in the Floyd case.
Here’s what we do know; in Kenosha, police were called because Blake was accused of causing a domestic disturbance. He had warrants out for his arrest. When police arrived, they were not aggressive or militant. They tried to arrest him. Because he was black? No. Because there were warrants out for his arrest.
He resisted arrest. He went to his car and reached in. Because he was black? No.

So far, nothing is related to anyone’s race.

He’s shot by the police officer. Do we know it’s related to race? No.

The real question is was it justifiable? That takes evidence, not riots and looters in the streets, not privileged athletes virtue signaling, not progressive politicians, who are responsible for all of this in the first place because they run those police departments, gaslighting. Evidence.
Once we have the evidence, we will know why a fellow American, no hyphenated category needed, a fellow American was shit by an agent of the local government of Kenosha.

 

[JonNC]

Fun fact, we do know now that the health officials say he would have died of an overdose if he would have died in his own home or somewhere else because of how much F he had in his system.
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We know it now, but the progressive government officials in Minnesota have been hiding that fact for a long time.

 

[JonNC]

Oh, I know. Sorry I was unclear. You are exactly right.
It seems clear that Chauvin did not kill Floyd. That doesn’t excuse his actions, but it points to a concern for the future. Minnesota AG Ellison has apparently overcharged by a long shot. If Chauvin is acquitted, it will be Ellison’s fault.
But of course, he won’t be blamed for it. “Institutional racism “ will, and more riots will happen.
Maybe that’s the plan.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yep absolutely they do, but as we can see, people like @LeafByNiggle have been convinced it’s just black children, because those are the only cases the media brings up.

1. It is disgusting to justify the shooting of a 12-year old black boy with a toy gun by citing the shooting of a 12-year white boy with a toy gun, as if everything is fine as long as kill some kids of each race.
2. You and @(name removed by moderator) are hypothesizing about the existence of data for which you simply “believe” must be true.

LeafByNiggle:

Kyle is under arrest right now, charged with intentional homicide. It seems the justice system does not agree with you yet.

Either that or the justice system feels pressured to do something

We will not tolerate vigilante justice in this nation.

There is a difference between a cop asking you for your license and registration and a cop telling you to stop and put your hands up, and you continuing on and reaching into you car.

Not enough to justify using deadly force.

 

[KMC]

Minnesota AG Ellison has apparently overcharged by a long shot. If Chauvin is acquitted, it will be Ellison’s fault.
But of course, he won’t be blamed for it. “Institutional racism “ will, and more riots will happen.
Maybe that’s the plan.

Here is the issue: Leaders withhold information or delay information…information that is very relevant to the case. (Floyd had a lethal amount of drugs in his system. Jacob Blake had a knife in his car). Leaders are overcharging these cases to placate those enraged (like Marilyn Mosby overcharging those in the death of Freddy Gray, Paul Howard overcharging the cops in the death of Rayshard Brooks, and based on fact of Floyd’s toxic level of drugs, murder charges in that case appear to be overcharged as well)

Thus…when greater charges don’t stick, and the police are either acquitted or convicted of lesser charges, there will be more riots

 

[GKMotley]

I was told that, too. And was specifically taught it, in the first area orientation training I got in the military. And that was precisely what I did, plus turning on the dome light, the last time I was stopped. I was in my late 60s at the time. The cop was black. I’m not. It all went well.

 

[vz71]

If you want the rioting to end, start by reforming the police because that is what is driving the rioting.

We went over this before.
You’re making excuses for them.

They are just people behaving badly.
Police are just a convenient excuse.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Floyd had a lethal amount of drugs in his system

It is important to get the story straight. What the medical examiner said was that Floyd had a level of fentanyl that if he were found dead at home with no other apparent cause of death, they would assume it was the fentanyl. But he specifically said “that does not mean this is what killed him.”

 

[KMC]

KMC:

Floyd had a lethal amount of drugs in his system

It is important to get the story straight. What the medical examiner said was that Floyd had a level of fentanyl that if he were found dead at home with no other apparent cause of death, they would assume it was the fentanyl. But he specifically said “that does not mean this is what killed him.”

True, but it is quite relevant when a jury looks to convict for murder or manslaughter

 

[Victoria33]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/27/jacob-blake-had-knife-car-when-shot-kenosha-police/

If it was mentioned, I missed it, Wisconsin DOJ say he had a knife in the car.

 

[KMC]

Jacob Blake had knife in car when shot by Kenosha police: Wisconsin DOJ - Washington Times

If it was mentioned, I missed it, Wisconsin DOJ say he had a knife in the car.

The fact there was a knife in the car was not released by the Wisconsin DOJ until yesterday

 

[PaulinVA]

Okay, maybe he would have died in his home.

BUT, he was with what my kids used to call “community helpers” who could have gotten him to a hospital.

Instead of killing him.

And, it’s pretty cavalier to say, “he would have died anyway”.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

He would not have had to defend himself at all if he had stayed home where he belonged in Antioch, Illinois.

Amen 1

A 17 year old came from out of state, armed with a rifle? If he were with BLM conservatives would say he was looking for trouble.

Amen 2

He was underaged and should be a senior in high school. He crossed state lines with a weapon. When this is done, even if it is self-defense, his life is over because both states will find another half dozen crimes to charge him with involving crossing state lines with weapons. He shouldn’t have been there, wasn’t qualified to be there and shame on you for saying “Good on him” and encouraging this sort of idiocy.

Amen 3

 

[blackforest]

You have to admit, given the amount of rioting there has been, six people isn’t many people to arrest.

I’ve already countered this point. Why do you keep repeating it?

1. Neither or us were there to witness the event, so I don’t “have to admit” anything.
2. Your belief that the police in Kenosha are incompetent is quite telling. Perhaps they were equally incompetent with Jacob Blake.

No you’re not. There is a difference between a cop asking you for your license and registration and a cop telling you to stop and put your hands up, and you continuing on and reaching into you car.

Both can involve a cop claiming to “fear” that you were reaching for a gun. Neither one deserves the de facto death penalty.

Yep absolutely they do, but as we can see, people like @LeafByNiggle have been convinced it’s just black children, because those are the only cases the media brings up.

So they’re happening, but you have no media reports to prove they’re happening? You’re just . . . sure somehow?

And precisely how should this make us feel better about the shooting of a black child?

But if he was, it happened in a progressive Democrat run city again .

Which one is it? Because the Right can’t have it both ways.

1. The cop was just defending himself and wouldn’t have shot Mr. Blake without a good reason.
2. The cop did the wrong thing because (somehow) Democrats controlled him to make that on-the-spot decision.

If a 200-pound man stuck his boot on your neck for eight minutes, do you think you’d live through it?

 

[JonNC]

Which one is it? Because the Right can’t have it both ways.

1. The cop was just defending himself and wouldn’t have shot Mr. Blake without a good reason.
2. The cop did the wrong thing because (somehow) Democrats controlled him to make that on-the-spot decision.

You choose.
This is simple. It is progressives, even on this forum, who have decided without all the evidence that the cop is guilty. I’m willing to wait for the evidence.
As for progressive run cities, the fact Is that is where this always happens. Progressives can’t have it both ways. If The claim is there is a history of institutional racism in our large city police forces, and these police departments have been run by progressive Democrats for half a century or more, and these progressive Democrat politicians are directly responsible for the culture and practices of their agents, then they are directly responsible and complicit in institutional racism.

Or, we wait to find out if racism was involved on a personal level by the officer. If there was, then it is personal and not institutional. If there is no racism, then it is neither personal nor institutional.
Either there is no institutional racism, or If there is, progressives In charge of these institutions are responsible For it.